[Unbanned] Paulie_Galante banned by Andeey_Morrison

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

Your in-game name:
Paulie_Galante

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Using keybinds to cook meth while sleeping/AFK.

Admin who banned you:
Andeey_Morrison

When you were banned:
30 minutes or so ago. [09:33:41]

Additional notes:
So yeah, this is a first for me. I guess I'll just be straight forward.

Look, I use keybinds for the commands that I use a lot, and while I was busy doing something else IRL, I just didn't pay any attention whatsoever to my chat box for a while.

It's definitely my own fault, I should've paid more attention (or logged off), simple as that. So I'd like to apoligize for wasting the staff's and the cop's time. Unfortunately though, there's no turning back, so all I can say is that I'll definitely do my best to make absolutely sure it won't happen again.

[Andeey]

I just want to ask, why would you even use such a thing in the first place.. it's basically like using a bot to do all the work for you which is definitely not allowed under any circumstance.

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

As far as I know keybinds are allowed, I could be wrong though. I also don't consider keybinds and bots to be the same thing, but that's debatable I guess. Anyway, I use them because the meth system relies heavily on timing and typing, so not having to re-type the same command over and over again just simply makes it less tedious and dangerous.

[eymas]

Keybinds were allowed under the principle of that they were to be used as addition to roleplay. Sadly your usage scenario (and hereby possibly others) falls under our policy of using external modifications/programs to gain an (unfair) advantage in the game. The script was not designed to be possibly automated, either.

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

Then you need to clear things up with the rest of the staff, because I heard that at least two higher ups didn't give a rats ass. Can't confirm it myself, but the people I heard it from asked them multiple times and they definitely aren't liars, I can tell you that much. Also, everyone can use keybinds, so saying it's an unfair advantage is also debatable.

Everyone is free to use the script, the timers aren't random, it acts exactly like it would if I were to be in front of the screen with a watch, there's aboslutely no difference in my presence being there or not. The only issue here is the possibility of being RPed with and not answering back due to not being present. Which I already confessed to.

[Marcel]

I will clear it up for you: using a bot to cook meth is script abuse and you deserved to be banned for it.

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

It's not a bot, it's a keybind. Also, it's great to know this now, but it's a little late. How is it our fault that we're getting different answers from different staff members?

[eymas]

That matter will be handled internally, not here.

Point being that you have shown abusive usage of keybinds. It's what you were banned for.

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

I didn't roleplay, that's the only rule (that we know for sure is bannable) I broke. And even that was just a mistake, one I obviously won't make again. 

Also, great that you're handling it internally, but it's pretty relevant to my whole situation. If a staff member, and not just any staff member, tells us it's okay, and I get banned for it. Then yeah, I kinda wanna talk about it.

Edit: Oh, and yeah...

The topic of keybinds was raised in March 2014 and after a discussion within HQ the majority voted to not allow it.

We have discussed the usage of keybinds once again within HQ and have decided to allow the usage of keybinds within SA:MP (RS5) to be specfic.
Yes, I did just say that keybinds are allowed within the server.

It's bound to take some time until everyone is aware of the change so don't be too upset if another player complains about you using keybinds if they are not aware of the change.

With that being said, staff members will not hesitate to punish players abusing keybinds within the server, be that to spam others or just be a general nuisance.
We can still change our opinion on this and disallow the usage of keybinds should players misuse the tool.

Was I spamming? No. Was I a general nuisance? No.

[Devin]

Then you need to clear things up with the rest of the staff, because I heard that at least two higher ups didn't give a rats ass.

I assume you are talking about me and teddy in this instance? Not once did I say using an application to automatically cook meth for you ingame is allowed. Not once did I say there is nothing wrong with people using a timer application/keybind to cook is allowed. Sure the use of general keybinds where you hit a button and a line is inserted for you is alright.

But to make use of an application that allows you to be afk whilst still inputting information on your behalf is essentially gaining an advantage over other players by means of a third party application; isn't that similar to the definition of hacks?

When cooking meth, you are doing something illegal. If cops come up to you how do you plan on dealing with them if you aren't there?

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

I assume you are talking about me and teddy in this instance? Not once did I say using an application to automatically cook meth for you ingame is allowed. Not once did I say there is nothing wrong with people using a timer application/keybind to cook is allowed.

And what about Teddy? There are multiple witnesses that say that he clearly stated multiple times that he didn't care if we did it or not, at all. So why should we care?

Sure the use of general keybinds where you hit a button and a line is inserted for you is alright.

But to make use of an application that allows you to be afk whilst still inputting information on your behalf is essentially gaining an advantage over other players by means of a third party application; isn't that similar to the definition of hacks?

You clearly stated yourself that keybinds were allowed, you never said there were any specific rules attached to it. I'll follow any rule you come up with, just don't expect me to come up with them myself. 

When cooking meth, you are doing something illegal. If cops come up to you how do you plan on dealing with them if you aren't there?

I already said I made a mistake by not paying attention for a while, I also said that I wouldn't do it again, so what do you want me to say? Keybinds have nothing to do with that though, I could be AFK and not doing anything and I suppose it'd still be considered ignoring RP.

[Devin]

The fact of the matter is that you were AFK whilst doing illegal activities such as cooking meth. If you were just there standing AFK then there wouldn't be any issue.
And keybinds are allowed, but automation of a script that allows you to essentially "farm money" whilst not even being at the game, surely that seems too good to be true and pretty unfair to you?

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

The fact of the matter is that you were AFK whilst doing illegal activities such as cooking meth. If you were just there standing AFK then there wouldn't be any issue.

Again, I already stated that I made a mistake by doing that. Won't happen again.

And keybinds are allowed, but automation of a script that allows you to essentially "farm money" whilst not even being at the game, surely that seems too good to be true and pretty unfair to you?

And what exactly is the difference between doing it manually and doing it with a single click of a button? You're farming money either way, it's just less tedious. So no, I don't think that it's unfair, especially considering  that everyone is allowed to use keybinds. If you don't want people to use it to farm, then don't allow them to do it in the first place, it's that simple. Surely you could've thought of this beforehand? People even told Teddy that this would happen, and like I said, he didn't care. 

[Mikro]

I just didn't pay any attention whatsoever to my chat box for a while.

For a while? You mean first a hour without a single interaction, just your repeating "keybinds". Only after a hour you did /invent on time to check your production.

After that it continued for another 7 hours and 30 minutes without a single interaction from you. Considering you just posted it after 10am, you had a nice 8 hours sleep I guess?

It's not a bot, it's a keybind.

A bot is generally explained as "a computer program that does automated tasks". A keybind is something that performs one simple task or a small set of sequential tasks. You tying the "keybind" together to keep repeating is making it automated and thus can be considered a bot. Nevertheless if it is considered a bot, a keybind, a hack or whaterver, it is pretty common sense that it is abuse, especially for such a long period.

If you don't want people to use it to farm, then don't allow them to do it in the first place, it's that simple.

What a lame argument to justify your own wrongdoings.

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

For a while? You mean first a hour without a single interaction, just your repeating "keybinds". Only after a hour you did /invent on time to check your production. After that it continued for another 7 hours and 30 minutes without a single interaction from you. Considering you just posted it after 10am, you had a nice 8 hours sleep I guess?

No one talked to me during those hours, so I didn't fail to RP, and so I didn't break any rules. Also, me not doing anything doesn't mean that I'm not there to check my screen.

A bot is generally explained as "a computer program that does automated tasks". A keybind is something that performs one simple task or a small set of sequential tasks. You tying the "keybind" together to keep repeating is making it automated and thus can be considered a bot. Nevertheless if it is considered a bot, a keybind, a hack or whaterver, it is pretty common sense that it is abuse, especially for such a long period.
What a lame argument to justify your own wrongdoings.

There's a difference between it actually being a bot and it being considered a bot.

Look, I get it. I'm the example. Whoopdie f*cking Goldberg.

I made a mistake by not responding to the cop's RP. That's on me. Fine. Won't happen again, I apologize for that. That's the one and only rule I broke though.

I honestly think that this mess isn't on me. You were the ones who decided to make a simple script that loops itself, you were the ones that told everyone that keybinds were allowed to be used, and you were the ones that ignored the multiple warnings you got and told us it was fine, and just do whatever we want. What the hell do you think is gonna happen next? This. So don't go blaming me for your miscommunication and keybind friendly scripts.

Abuse is a big word. This is taking advantage of something we were told we're allowed to do.