The moaning ends now

[Teddy]

Hola,

Please: read everything before responding otherwise you're wasting time and highly degrading the quality of this discussion

I have grown incredibly close to saying fuck all of you and leaving. I do not think anyone can really understand how dangerously close it has gotten to that point. In anycase with some help, I've taken a look from a different perspective. The problem maybe the script in some cases, might be the cops in some cases, might be the criminals in some cases, and hell might even be just dumb luck. Which is fine. We're humans, we make mistakes. The script isn't perfect either. However what needs to stop is the constant crying and moaning. It's not constructive or progressive. If you truly want to make things better we need to start shaping our attitudes and voicing our thoughts and opinions in a way which promote quality development equally. This will not happen overnight. This will not happen without people being told to fuck off. This will not happen easily.

One of the ways I've looked at is as I can't fix this community because it doesn't want to be fix. In thinking deeper about this I found the root of the problem being we cannot talk things out. The moment something rises, it's hostility, provoking, and a massive popcorn fest. This needs to stop. If we cannot communicate and if we cannot reason, then I see no point in being here. I am done with the babysitting. I am done with the hand holding. I am damn near about done giving everyone chances and chances and chances with absolutely nothing but disrespect.

So effective immediately this applies to everyone:

There is to be no moaning in-game or on the forums. If in-game a tempban or worse maybe issued. If on the forums, 30 day tempbans under our zero tolerance policy. If you disagree with something, shape a response that is constructive and betters the conversation to a more quality discussion on the subject. To reiterate: I am not saying you cannot disagree with something, or be pissed off about an event.

There is to be absolutely no disrespecting a developer, their work, or the development process. The people who have worked on this team have given sleepless nights, extra long days, and countless hours on end to produce something for you all without a single dime in pay. You will start showing respect for their contributions. Again, if you disagree with a scripter's work trying a more constructive approach. I myself disagree with some of the choices made by the team and when that arises I don't go downing them to everyone I see. I address them directly and elaborate my disagreement, make suggestion for improvement, and discuss the problem out.

One other thing that is quite funny is how many people accuse us of bias. I myself have been accused by so many different groups that I am in perspective of everyone biased for and against everyone. Some say I am friends with Soprano and favor them, while Soprano says I hate them and favor Gvardia. Criminals say I do everything for cops and are biased for them. Cops say I focus to much on criminals and am biased against cops. In reality the only thing I am biased for is a better server. When addressing something I always look for the option that benefits the community and server as a whole. I must admit, as I said I am only human and I get it wrong... probably even a lot. If that's a problem for too many I will gladly step away. If not, talk with me as many people have found I am more willing to talk out problems than any other person in equal or higher positions in this community.

I really hope this inspires some of you to really think about how you've been going about "bettering" this community and actually start making progress in doing so.

Kindly,
Teddy

[SkyHawk]

Finally, a stance that takes a more firm approach when it comes to handling certain groups and/or individuals and holds them accountable for their actions. Thank you, is all I can say.

[Vaeldious]

 
An outstanding proposed solution. I support this 100%.

[Kaze]

What if I'm not happy and want to voice my opinion on a certain aspect of the game? Anyway, you and the scripters/devs have done more than enough to keep everyone here happy. If people still moan fuck them.

[Traser]

It's really easy, have constructive criticism or gtfo.

[Arslan]

What if I'm not happy and want to voice my opinion on a certain aspect of the game?

If you disagree with something, shape a response that is constructive and betters the conversation to a more quality discussion on the subject. To reiterate: I am not saying you cannot disagree with something, or be pissed off about an event.

[eymas]

We're all tired of it, that we can agree upon. Even I myself am close to leaving because I see no purpose or joy in argonath anymore, this being why.
I doubt you guys enjoy it either, but some of the players among those should understand this. Even you would succumb under this weight we've been put under, by your shoveling.

All I can hope is that we won't be -too- restrictive with it, but not too lenient either.

[Teddy]

What if I'm not happy and want to voice my opinion on a certain aspect of the game?

You are free to do that. This is mostly for those who only point out the problems in a degrading way. This isn't a presidential election and nobody here is Donald Trump. Things aren't made better by saying they're wrong. They're made better by saying what the problem is, and working collectively to fix them. All we need to really make things better here is people talking less shit, provoking less, and actually getting engaged in constructive conversation and debate. 

[Teddy]

All I can hope is that we won't be -too- restrictive with it, but not too lenient either.

This won't restrict people to share their opinion. That wouldn't make any sense to enforce after releasing a version with a majority of it being shaped from user ideas. We will restrict people from shit posting and merely inciting arguments for their own enjoyment or people who have no interest in actually making things better for everyone here.

[Hevar.]

Preach!!

[TrotlDebilni]

It's really easy, have constructive criticism or gtfo.

Depends who judges what is constructive and what isn't, although I trust Teddy, the people I trust with such decisions are few and far between.

And what I just said could be seen as disrespect to the HQ, how far are we taking this, hopefully not to the point of censorship, but just so far that people will learn to type out comments with thought put into them, not some one liner memes with popcorn image attached.

[Luke]

Glad that this is coming into play, see I used to be one of them people who moaned alot about things and slated people/things, but moaning and kicking all the toys all over the place never is really the answer and rather just creates more issues, you have to have a clear mind and just accept things in life how they are, if something don't go your way, you simple take a deep breath carrying on. Why cry over spilt milk? Behind you the whole way Teddy.

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

This won't restrict people to share their opinion. That wouldn't make any sense to enforce after releasing a version with a majority of it being shaped from user ideas. We will restrict people from shit posting and merely inciting arguments for their own enjoyment or people who have no interest in actually making things better for everyone here.

Moaning is a pretty subjective term, so I'm glad you just said that. I just hope you won't ban people for saying stuff like 'I prefer the old drug system' if they don't give an argument right away in /p. Some scripters might consider it moaning, others might consider it just stating an opinion/preference.

[Salmonella]

To be honest I didn't notice any extraordinary amounts of moaning. If anything there's been a lot of praise. Not sure what triggered this topic.

[Ramo_Hawk]

To be honest I didn't notice any extraordinary amounts of moaning. If anything there's been a lot of praise. Not sure what triggered this topic.

+ I don't see any reason why moaning is disallowed if that's the only way to attract attention on reports and rulebreaking.