Current issues

[djole]

I did post updates often but nobody seemed interested, so I stopped. Besides, I see no obligation to post the businesses affairs to people who they really have no affect on.

I see how you might be discouraged by the lack of interest within the community but that shouldn't really stop an official group from posting their awesome RP ss. I suppose if everyone had that attitude we wouldn't see any activity posted in the groups and families subforum.

There are two business fronts and out of roleplay I will say TEResearch is the "less than legal" aspect of the Enterprise. You pointed out some indicators of that, and for that reason much of the operational details are kept under wrap. As for the main Enterprise; it's exact operations are mainly in funding at this point. We fund iDrive and a few other groups (although timezones are becoming a problem along with my availability). In addition, you can see our legal division having some fingers on some court cases in recent weeks.

The thing that raised suspicion was that TER was never even hinted at being even mildly criminal in any of the seven posts mentioning it on the TE topic. This is the first it's mentioned in such regard. There's also the matter of the group's criminal status being stripped in the past days. Why was it removed if this group is in fact a criminal group. And how come the only other level 70+ member who in fact could have benefited greatly from this abuse was also not once mentioned on the forums? I suppose to the average outsider it just seems all too convenient.

I am not a manager anymore, I have resigned so I will have more freetime to spend in-game without being annoyed with stupid bored kids and be able to roleplay as much as we once did. Yes, I am not able to get in-game as much as I was able to a year ago, or even a few months ago, but I am still committed to TE and it's subsidiaries.

I still don't see why you find it necessary to use these derogatory terms when speaking about the population of the server you spend so much time building and supposedly making a better place.

It's fully understandable that a period of inactivity has come for you. I assume everyone here has had multiple. It's good to see an intention to keep a group alive even at such a time.

Yes, I am the scripting team leader of SA-MP RPG, plus I serve as a development aide to the rest of the community including the forums, and a few other game servers. I do believe that my commitment to the community does render a bit of a break of not being able to spend hours on end in-game

Of course it is entirely understandable that you don't have as much time to actually play the game you're coding but I don't think that should protect the group(s) from being under scrutiny. We can't however just hit a pause button on the groups and let them keep their privileged statuses.

The hostility is at everyone. I am so sick and tired of people bitching without know what the fuck they are talking about. In truth, I am just so sick of bitching entirely, it never ends. I will give you credit for taking an effort to fix it but I do not appreciate you throwing around shit in the first place without getting the facts straight. One of the reasons I resigned as a manager is so I could actually just focus on getting in-game and closer with the community, and no on the forums dealing with everyone's shit moaning... mostly from people who don't even play.

Here we go again. I realise having to deal with people you'd really rather not, who are annoying, childish, purposely trolling or just being plain dicks can be hard but that's no reason to put up a wall of condescension toward anyone and everyone. For the record I don't know what you mean by taking an effort to fix it. Fix what? What did I metaphorically break? Neither was I throwing around shit. I just expressed my, most important of all, well founded concerns and was met with the most horrible attitude by many of the people who had replied.

I also don't see why you're so bothered with everyone's shit moaning. Yes, I see a lot of the shitposts that are circling the forums. This is once again no reason for you to become upset or pissed of at those individuals and especially not at the community as a whole. You spend your time making something for the exact same people you appear to hate. Why do you do it? And if it bothers you so much, and you accept to do it anyway, then learn to let things go and not let the assholes bother you instead of blowing up at every single person you come across.

I have never been against communication. What isn't beneficial is aimless moaning for the sake of bitching, that I have been against and won't deal with. Constructive criticism, always welcome. You are simply ignorant if you've thought otherwise.

I don't see how this is relevant to the topic at hand, however if it was aimed at the topic specifically I don't see how you could possibly take it as aimless moaning simply for the sake of bitching.

It seems as though this thread has been a complete waste time since most of the replies I'm obliged to respond to in a civilised and well founded manner are completely missing the point of the subjects at hand. I also don't appreciate it in the least being spoken to in this manner.

[jovanca]

Well, i don't and i would really  appreciate if you would explain to me what exactly did i do wrong.

[Teddy]

The thing that raised suspicion was that TER was never even hinted at being even mildly criminal in any of the seven posts mentioning it on the TE topic. This is the first it's mentioned in such regard. There's also the matter of the group's criminal status being stripped in the past days. Why was it removed if this group is in fact a criminal group. And how come the only other level 70+ member who in fact could have benefited greatly from this abuse was also not once mentioned on the forums? I suppose to the average outsider it just seems all too convenient.

Why the hell would I publish that a legitimate enterprise has a subsidiary that is organized crime? What business that is a front for criminal activity fucking does that? What the hell. I mean, group / business topics are "somewhat" roleplay.. here isn't so nobody can really use that in context.

If it was removed, it will be fixed. It shouldn't have. This also isn't abuse. This was calculated business activity. The person with level 70 was given such intentionally for access to the drug market in order to conduct business on behalf of myself. Business, which took place in multiple roleplay meetings, arrangements, and transactions, for your information.

I still don't see why you find it necessary to use these derogatory terms when speaking about the population of the server you spend so much time building and supposedly making a better place.

Yeah, I guess I just don't give a shit anymore. I get treated like shit by even people I trust and fuck all comes of it. Am I in the wrong? Perhaps, actually most definitely. Unlike Jov, I can admit when I am wrong. I can admit when I've fucked up. Truth be told I've fucked it all up and that's perhaps why I am most pissed off. I took my job with the promise to make things better. I made the fatal mistake of trying to fix a community that doesn't want to be fixed. I saw that when RS4 was live for a day. How quick people were to snap their mindsets to what they really wanted. In truth, I failed. I fucked up.

[djole]

Why the hell would I publish that a legitimate enterprise has a subsidiary that is organized crime? What business that is a front for criminal activity fucking does that? What the hell. I mean, group / business topics are "somewhat" roleplay.. here isn't so nobody can really use that in context.

Every single criminal group on the server does it... The topics are barely even at all RP. Why doesn't the FBI build cases against each and every one of the criminal organisations that has posted activity screenshots where they appear to be dealing with drugs (they haven't put a disclaimer that says the content is OOC either). The group / business topic replies are mostly OOC from what I've gathered with an exception here and there where the groups post IC content.

If it was removed, it will be fixed. It shouldn't have. This also isn't abuse. This was calculated business activity. The person with level 70 was given such intentionally for access to the drug market in order to conduct business on behalf of myself. Business, which took place in multiple roleplay meetings, arrangements, and transactions, for your information.

No, that isn't abuse if you had established a RP connection with the individual in question. But setting the group to official status in combination with criminal is clear abuse and the culprits must be found and punished. Also all of the excess profit gained from the drugs sold to the market at the time the group had boosted prices due to the status combination should be removed. Perhaps even all of the profits since the individual must have noticed the error and hadn't reported it. This group did not meet the requirements to be an official group in any way whatsoever.

[Teddy]

Every single criminal group on the server does it... The topics are barely even at all RP. Why doesn't the FBI build cases against each and every one of the criminal organisations that has posted activity screenshots where they appear to be dealing with drugs (they haven't put a disclaimer that says the content is OOC either). The group / business topic replies are mostly OOC from what I've gathered with an exception here and there where the groups post IC content.

The FBI builds cases against them, I won't divulge into the depth of the FBI since it's much deeper than people notice. However, the FBI knows they are criminals, so they know to keep an eye on them. If the FBI doesn't know a group is a criminal, they won't know to look into them. Logic right?

No, that isn't abuse if you had established a RP connection with the individual in question. But setting the group to official status in combination with criminal is clear abuse and the culprits must be found and punished. Also all of the excess profit gained from the drugs sold to the market at the time the group had boosted prices due to the status combination should be removed. Perhaps even all of the profits since the individual must have noticed the error and hadn't reported it. This group did not meet the requirements to be an official group in any way whatsoever.

The official status and criminal status were set long ago, before the new drug system. The group also inherited the official status from it's parent company. There isn't much "rules" for businesses, so nobody said anything against it. You can blame the broken management / leadership system from before that proper outline for usage wasn't drawn out for a system they designed. Of course, we didn't do any better by not finishing it. We're at fault too (look Jov, more responsibility!)

[djole]

The FBI builds cases against them, I won't divulge into the depth of the FBI since it's much deeper than people notice. However, the FBI knows they are criminals, so they know to keep an eye on them. If the FBI doesn't know a group is a criminal, they won't know to look into them. Logic right?

... You just said yourself that the boards in question are IC which was your reason for not posting TER as a criminal organisation. So why wouldn't the FBI be able to say HEY! These guys are posting about drugs! They're criminals! Let's build a case against them! Logic right? (You're pretty much acting the same way in which the people you accuse of creating a toxic environment do... There's really no need to speak to anyone in this community in this manner, especially someone who hasn't done a single thing to incite it.)

The official status and criminal status were set long ago, before the new drug system. The group also inherited the official status from it's parent company. There isn't much "rules" for businesses, so nobody said anything against it. You can blame the broken management / leadership system from before that proper outline for usage wasn't drawn out for a system they designed. Of course, we didn't do any better by not finishing it. We're at fault too (look Jov, more responsibility!)

I don't see how this changes anything. You were at fault by coding the weed system poorly which allowed people to exploit it and gain insane yields. You were at fault by using fixed times for the meth cooking timers which allowed a certain organisation and their associates to use automated scripts to farm the drug overnight. In both cases the individuals have been punished and their profits taken away + been given a fine. I don't see why this case should be any different.

[Gnb_22]

So now you guys see the real reason of this topic, its all salty Jovanca and hit butthurt friend who is mad at Teddy for banning him so just decides to start a drama topic on forums. Djole you've been here for about 3 months, if you don't know shit, don't throw random accusations out there. Don't let Jovanca influence you into making a fool out of yourself in public.

[Teddy]

... You just said yourself that the boards in question are IC which was your reason for not posting TER as a criminal organisation. So why wouldn't the FBI be able to say HEY! These guys are posting about drugs! They're criminals! Let's build a case against them! Logic right? (You're pretty much acting the same way in which the people you accuse of creating a toxic environment do... There's really no need to speak to anyone in this community in this manner, especially someone who hasn't done a single thing to incite it.)

I am not saying it's right that it is done... but admittedly people here aren't that complex to separate in character and out of character. Partly due to the fact that community has discouraged the use of them. Sure, to more intellectually sound people it's logic... but let's be honest... people use shit from out of roleplay in roleplay all the time.

I don't see how this changes anything. You were at fault by coding the weed system poorly which allowed people to exploit it and gain insane yields. You were at fault by using fixed times for the meth cooking timers which allowed a certain organisation and their associates to use automated scripts to farm the drug overnight. In both cases the individuals have been punished and their profits taken away + been given a fine. I don't see why this case should be any different.

That is two different contexts, but thanks for blaming me for another developer's system's faults. Mainly when one of those things, the developer told me was done when I asked at the end of beta. Sure, though I will admit as a team leader I should've taken more care to review the code myself to ensure they were telling me the whole story. Anything else I should be aware of is my fault?

[Teddy]

So now you guys see the real reason of this topic, its all salty Jovanca and hit butthurt friend who is mad at Teddy for banning him so just decides to start a drama topic on forums. Djole you've been here for about 3 months, if you don't know shit, don't throw random accusations out there. Don't let Jovanca influence you into making a fool out of yourself in public.

Interesting, I wasn't aware the connection. Thanks for the information.