FLA-SAPD bs - /discuss

[Vaeldious]

I seriously would gladly do that only if I will have assurance that I will not be kidnapped, robbed, or end up hanged in the middle of Angel Pine by any FLA member cause I know the "grudge" they got on cops at the moment.

Bruce, I have no grievances against you however I'll point out that such assurances are out of bounds, no matter the circumstance. Its a fine line between manipulating things to your advantage and powergaming for the win (or loss, in this case).

On the other side people are taking this waaaay too personal. Guys, It's just a fucking game... we're all here to have fun and enjoy the gameplay... don't take everything personal...  like JDC would have said. [RPit].

Agreed, but again and conversely, FLA vs SAPD has FORCED me to come up with some really unique RPs that without this escalation between factions would never have crossed my mind. Silver lining, brothers. Always there.

You are gorram right I voted yes to independence. Not because I have friends in FLA. Not because I have friends in FBI. But because this is EXACTLY the kind of random variable that was never expected, nor predicted; yet is. Within the Oculus, Rara Avis (eye of the rare bird) are the seeds of RS6. RS7. And 7.1, but we can forget about RS7.2. That shit's gonna suck like a donkey show.

A game over a decade old, yet here we remain. Legends of years past come and go....yet we remain.

Gonna play the 'Merica card here cuz i liek mudkipz and dbl cheezburgers.

'merica gained independence. Let's trial Flint. And if you don't have any perspective of why....you should probably read what I chose as my sig. FLA is a n00b compared to server groups and standards like CM and Gvardia, yet has amassed more server activity (for the better, most of the time) than any other currently active group.

(cause im from the future, ill address this now)

I will tell you what, no president will ever want to give up a part of their country. The final yes is on Gandalf.

@Gandalf
Roleplay > scripts, every time. Even the presidential position is scripted and debatable according to RP, and thats the beauty in the creation; is that it is not yours, but others to enjoy, mold, and destroy as they see fit. Even in its reduced form of /em S/F?, still the greatest mentality I've ever encountered online is here in Argo, and I think thats what the Mighty Swedes were trying to accomplish originally. The VALIDATION may come from Gandalf, but not the permission. Permission has already been expressed for about 10 years on this specific server. Give or take about 5 years.

But i've been wrong before, and who knows....maybe they were just banevaders.

[CharlieKasper]

I will tell you what, no president will ever want to give up a part of their country. The final yes is on Gandalf.

So I propose that instead of making it an independent country, make it another state of United States of Argonath. New Government, new city hall and court, new police department, and operate the same way IV:MP, VC:MP and SA:MP does. Nothing is connected (except that the lands are connected and people can easily go through and of course, money too).

San Andreas Court, SAPD, SA FBI, SA Mayors, SA Govt, none of them will have jurisdiction there and therefore a new police department (APPD), a new mayor, a new govt, a new city hall and court will be made. That way FLA gets a form of independence and it still says a part of USA. c):-)

[Gnb_22]

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[Vaeldious]

Man don't you guys just love Matthew Carter. The best guy on the server I fucking swear. The biggest hypocrite that derails every constructive topic into provoking between criminals and cops. Gotta love that guy.

Then perhaps a peek through the looking glass is warranted.

[.Matthew.]

You always jump into a topic and start claiming few people derail a "constructive topic" into provoking, yet you come into the topic like a wrecking ball just throwing random hostile insults and provocations on the person itself. I don't see that as something constructive eh? if you love topics being constructive why aren't you constructive yourself? that's hypocrite I say.

[TiMoN]

I just want to patrol FC in a Mesa without Air Force One chasing me.
Is that too much to ask?

[Vaeldious]

You always jump into a topic and start claiming few people derail a "constructive topic" into provoking, yet you come into the topic like a wrecking ball just throwing random hostile insults and provocations on the person itself. I don't see that as something constructive eh? if you love topics being constructive why aren't you constructive yourself? that's hypocrite I say.

I'd say I'm the one that called you out, @.Matthew. , not Tevin.
I am open to discussion for a better Argonath for all players, Cop, Criminal and Civilian.

[Huntsman]

Man don't you guys just love Matthew Carter. The best guy on the server I fucking swear. The biggest hypocrite that derails every constructive topic into provoking between criminals and cops. Gotta love that guy.

Man, no offense, but YOU are the one to talk? Really?

[TrotlDebilni]

I just want to patrol FC in a Mesa without Air Force One chasing me.
Is that too much to ask?

That's the RS4 non rp mentality we are striving to abandon TiMoN, didn't you get the memo?

Man, no offense, but YOU are the one to talk? Really?

Let's not go pointing fingers for the eight god damn topic this week.

Ramo started a discussion about a specific idea, why don't we discuss it?

[Vaeldious]

I just want to patrol FC in a Mesa without Air Force One chasing me.
Is that too much to ask?

No more than Air Force Ones' right to patrol FC as well.

Man, no offense, but YOU are the one to talk? Really?

Man, no offense, but can we keep this dialog civil and constructive instead of slinging shit?

[Stivi]

RIGGED.

I would rather like to see the FLA leadership and SAPD "negociate". I'm not expecting a 1 on 1 meeting, that would be bad obviously. But a poll on the forums won't give you guys independence, #Argonath. I hold no grudges with FLA or anything alike, actually I'm supplying you guys, but having an independent country will rather create a shitstorm. And won't take a while till someone forms an army and makes another war. What about two seperate constitutions, two boards on the forums and so on? It will be a lot of confusion, tbh.

[TrotlDebilni]

As far as I know FLA takes better care about their citizens than ARPD does.

What about two seperate constitutions, two boards on the forums and so on? It will be a lot of confusion, tbh.

A subforum? fla.argonathrpg.com? just like arpd.argonathrpg.com?

But I like Charlie's idea better

San Andreas Court, SAPD, SA FBI, SA Mayors, SA Govt, none of them will have jurisdiction there and therefore a new police department (APPD), a new mayor, a new govt, a new city hall and court will be made. That way FLA gets a form of independence and it still says a part of USA. c):-)

[[Rstar]Peter]

Let us know where and how did you guys burn your fingers, used black magic to destroy your DNA and bought tons of glue to stick your masks.. We need to copy your methods too apparently!

[.Matthew.]

Let us know where and how did you guys burn your fingers, used black magic to destroy your DNA and bought tons of glue to stick your masks.. We need to copy your methods too apparently!

That's beside the point because it's roleplay.

San Andreas Court, SAPD, SA FBI, SA Mayors, SA Govt, none of them will have jurisdiction there and therefore a new police department (APPD)

Either way, your requests are illogical because FBI is a FEDERAL agency and it operates in any state that is within United States of Argonath. And also ARPD exists as SAPD for SA:MP because ARPD is divided into divisions: LCPD, VCPD, SAPD and so on. What you're asking for is a federal police force, and you'll get nothing more but another copy of SAPD. Your sole issues are the existence of Law Enforcement and their job of punishing you for illegal acts, the only way to solve your issues is to remove Law Enforcing groups.

[eymas]

I would rather like to see the FLA leadership and SAPD "negociate". I'm not expecting a 1 on 1 meeting, that would be bad obviously.

And both SAPD/FBI leadership + FLA are free to draw me into a meeting if they like.

Just do remain aware that I did try to aim for a solution, and we narrowed it down. But I gave up in the end, just like Teddy: I failed.
There's no room for an answer which is not one-sided, and that doesn't lead to further poisoning of the atmosphere towards the other four (out of five) halves of the population. And leaving this all behind is impossible either, as the community retains their position in this (seemingly never ending) cycle when the possibilities of escape already exist.

I'd much prefer we close this book and continue with another.* Maybe add in a cup of tea.

* Read the second paragraph why.