FLA-SAPD bs - /discuss

[Rusty]

There has been what maybe three people who put actual suggestions on what FLA could do to try gain independence, Chase provided a excellent suggestion and even the forum lurker above here dropped a great post.  Rest of the five or so pages are full of complete shite, good job guys.

[Mikal]

I would prefer such a vote be done in a roleplay manner in game as a referendum. If enough votes pass, I think the court should allow them to secede from the United States of Argonath and form their own government. If not enough votes pass, the only way to solve this in my opinion from then on is to make a armistice or cease fire agreement as I said previously.

Read this after seeing Rusty's post as I didn't see it before, lets organise an official vote then...

How would it be regulated though? Only people who live in Flint Country can vote? Everyone can vote? Would it be on the forums with a poll or done in-game some how?

[Rusty]

Do it in-game, anyone with background in Politics around here am I bet there's more than a few might be able to help or get you started in the right direction.

[Devin]

Glad to see some taking an initiative when making suggestions. Sadly there are the usual few taking things off topic to create arguments whilst they aren't even active in the community.

[.Matthew.]

And when we did this army like task force people started moaning about it  and now the suggestion is to do basically the same thing... god.

[JDC]

Argonath needs a tampon at this point.

Basically the last few years.


Everything up to this point has focused on FLA getting independence, and not so much on what will happen after. Considering how small the landmass is, independence would pose many questions. Here's some of them:

1.) What if a criminal from one territory (read: Flint or the rest of SA) escaped into the other? (Very easy due to the small landmass) Would this require diplomacy / international law, such as extradition and treaties?
2.) What if someone in one territory is in dire need of non-law enforcement emergency services (i.e. medic, fireman) but the only available service personnel are from the other?
3.) What happens when a citizen of one territory becomes a victim of a crime while inside the other territory?
4.) How is border control going to work?
5.) An independent state will require a different economy (i.e. currency, state funds, real estate, etc), or else it is not an independent state. How will a separate economy be implemented for Flint? (I presume both states will use a common currency due to their "shared origins" and for gameplay reasons, however.)

And these are just the ones that are easy to name. It's hard enough to make a state that can get its shit together, let alone two.

One lesson from politics is that it's much easier to criticize the incumbent government and request independence than it is to run an actual functioning government once you're in power.

Argonath is Federal in nature, yes? (United States of Argonath) Why not give Flint a trial run as a separate Federal State under the Federal Government, which would allow for significant autonomy while solving the problems mentioned in the above questions? (Not to mention the would-be Flint State can benefit from Federal resources too.)

[Mikal]

1.) What if a criminal from one territory (read: Flint or the rest of SA) escaped into the other? (Very easy due to the small landmass) Would this require diplomacy / international law, such as extradition and treaties?
2.) What if someone in one territory is in dire need of non-law enforcement emergency services (i.e. medic, fireman) but the only available service personnel are from the other?
3.) What happens when a citizen of one territory becomes a victim of a crime while inside the other territory?
4.) How is border control going to work?
5.) An independent state will require a different economy (i.e. currency, state funds, real estate, etc), or else it is not an independent state. How will a separate economy be implemented for Flint? (I presume both states will use a common currency due to their "shared origins" and for gameplay reasons, however.)

1.) Different places, different laws, if the criminal escapes into the other territory, the forces on one side can contact the other to reequest help, or they can enter themselves and risk breaching the other territories laws, since Flint Country wouldn't allow Argonath law enforcement to operate inside it's territory.

2.) Firemen and medics would be free to move through the borders with no problem, could even map an FD on the Flint Country side if someone wanted to RP a separate FD, there's already a small hospital at Angel Pine.

3.) Both territories would have different laws, one is illegal in Argonath might not be illegal in Flint Country, either way they can contact the usual law enforcement depending on what side they are in, law enforcement on the Flint Country side would of course be the FLA, unless we establish a PD.

5.) We do border control RP alot already, however it isn't strictly needed on a perm basis, everyone would be free to move around except for law enforcement of course who would be barred from operating in Flint Country, and I assume it'd be the same for whatever law enforcement Flint Country would have in Argonath, though I guess both sides could pass through if they are not enforcing laws in each others territories.
 
5.) No need to complicate it that much TBH, money is money and it can just stay that way, though we could RP-it a different currency.
Flint Country Dollar.

[Kek_Topman]

And when we did this army like task force people started moaning about it  and now the suggestion is to do basically the same thing... god.

i'm pretty sure i left this post here

so who was moaning about it? fla? breaking news, fbi chief: if you actively try to take someone/something down, they will hate you; just do your (not talking to you directly, to the entire government) job and take them down like stray dogs, or be a coward in front of everyone and submit to their demands and give them their damn independence.

i am not really sure what is there to discuss in this topic.

[Sweeper]

Please tell us how can we solve this. Since it could be solved three weeks ago.

Consultancy has a price, but to help a bit; a kind of municipality could be considered. For those who don't know, here. FLA does not even meet the requirements of being an independent state.

[Johan_S]

Guys simple as this:

[Dennis.]

epic

[Johan_S]

Guys simple as this:

[Teddy]

7 pages later and we've made as much progress as a group of 4 year olds making a castle out of Lego. #BecauseArgonath

[Hevar.]

Spoiler for Hiden:

HAAHHAHAHA

[eymas]

7 pages later and we've made as much progress as a group of 4 year olds making a castle out of Lego. #BecauseArgonath

The seven pages in a nutshell