Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[Mikal]

I'm sure the whole basis of the treaty is a cease fire from both sides, is it not?

It was a ceasefire created by certain agreements, agreements which you did not keep.

The whole point of it was to reduce shootouts, reduce FLA activity in major cities, specially Los Santos and let you guys do you own shit in your own space. It isn't a constitution where you look for loop holes and gaps to see what you can and can't do in attempt to exploit them. And clearly you've misunderstood the purpose of it and are now only using it as a tool to do the exact same thing you were doing before and just running to AP and expect police not to do anything about it because your in AP.

Why are you trying to interpret the treaty to benefit yourselves? Read what it says again, you are clearly the one looking for loop holes or gaps, we kept our side of the deal, and as Sal said:

What makes it an act of FLA? Just the fact that some of the guys who killed you were also in the FLA /group?

None of us were masked, none of us were shouting or doing anything related to FLA.

Uh this wan't a roleplay agreement Einstein, the whole purpose of it was to reduce TDM in the server. Everyone knows who FLA is and isn't. As I said, you completely misunderstood the purpose of this and are attempting to exploit anything which isn't written treating it as some law book. It was to give guidelines as how FLA would conduct themselves and how police should deal with their operations. Not to continue rolling around as a army, killing anyone after we tell them to "leave" 2 or three times and then run to AP.

Except for the fact that we met in-game, RPed a meeting, asked questions, spoke to each other, and came to agreements, all on /l...

It was RPed, as it was intended to be, Einstein.

Why didn't you just leave Verdant Bluffs and call for backup? We clearly out numbered you... Instead you say "Hey look, it's FLA" and stay for the shootout, then continue to assume it's FLA and head straight for Angel Pine with no care for the treaty that was agreed.

[Arslan]

It was a ceasefire created by certain agreements, agreements which you did not keep.
Why are you trying to interpret the treaty to benefit yourselves? Read what it says again, you are clearly the one looking for loop holes or gaps, we kept our side of the deal, and as Sal said:

None of us were masked, none of us were shouting or doing anything related to FLA.
Except for the fact that we met in-game, RPed a meeting, asked questions, spoke to each other, and came to agreements, all on /l...

It was RPed, as it was intended to be, Einstein.

Why didn't you just leave Verdant Bluffs and call for backup? We clearly out numbered you... Instead you say "Hey look, it's FLA" and stay for the shootout, then continue to assume it's FLA and head straight for Angel Pine with no care for the treaty that was agreed.

So being masked and not masked defines being FLA or not? It doesn't matter if you were RPing FLA at the time or not. You're still the same group of people killing cops. This isn't a RP discussion about if you were attacking as FLA or as Corleones. Bottom line, you're still causing shootouts, you're still creating a TDM atmosphere destroying the whole purpose of this.

Only difference I see is, you called a whole army to Corleone HQ to kill cops but you claim it wasn't RP'd as FLA so it is justified. No, purpose wasn't to stop you representing FLA in major areas, purpose was to stop TDM.

[Chase]

I'm not surprised at this. #BecauseArgonath

[taseen11]

It was a ceasefire created by certain agreements, agreements which you did not keep.

Who came into LS shooting at cops first again?

Except for the fact that we met in-game, RPed a meeting, asked questions, spoke to each other, and came to agreements, all on /l...

I guess the development team and managers sign role-play agreements

Not to mention...

Out of Roleplay Agreement 

[Salmonella]

Uh this wan't a roleplay agreement Einstein, the whole purpose of it was to reduce TDM in the server. Everyone knows who FLA is and isn't. As I said, you completely misunderstood the purpose of this and are attempting to exploit anything which isn't written treating it as some law book. It was to give guidelines as how FLA would conduct themselves and how police should deal with their operations. Not to continue rolling around as a army, killing anyone after we tell them to "leave" 2 or three times and then run to AP.

Not a roleplay agreement...? I think a peace treaty is exactly that, Sigmund Freud. I also think you don't quite get the concept of an army in general and a rebel army in particular. FLA is something that unites different groups and players to serve a shared cause. It is not a primary group for anyone except its high command.

This is not about loopholes or exploiting, it's about common sense. You can't just link any roleplay scenario with members of the FLA, to the FLA. That's pretty much the same as me saying: ''Hey look, that's Arslan and Bass in a car, they're not on duty and they're just driving around, but I'm sure they're both doing FBI stuff right now!'', while in reality you may be off duty, catching up or something.

[Arslan]

Not a roleplay agreement...? I think a peace treaty is exactly that, Sigmund Freud. I also think you don't quite get the concept of an army in general and a rebel army in particular. FLA is something that unites different groups and players to serve a shared cause. It is not a primary group for anyone except its high command.

This is not about loopholes or exploiting, it's about common sense. You can't just link any roleplay scenario with members of the FLA, to the FLA. That's pretty much the same as me saying: ''Hey look, that's Arslan and Bass in a car, they're not on duty and they're just driving around, but I'm sure they're both doing FBI stuff right now!'', while in reality you may be off duty, catching up or something.

I don't care what the concept of your rebel army is. Bottom line, you're still doing the same shit you were doing before under a different flag. Yeah, not the reason for this treaty. And if you wanted to play it out this way, shouldn't have come on this topic moaning treaty was broken by cops evidently because of your actions, and because you violated the agreements.

[Solis]

After seeing the video, it's unfortunate to see that FLA had to find loop-holes and interpretations into the treaty to give them an advantage and continue the dick-measuring contest against law enforcement. No wonder whenever I /mdc these days, people associated with FLA are always suspected and are always at Whetstone. It's their little safe zone now.

Oh well, in Argonath you can't expect to give the server something without some people trying their best to spin it to their advantage at the expense of others.

[Ramo_Hawk]

@Teddy good luck solving this one. 

[Hevar.]

HAAHAHAHAHAAHAH aww...this is cute i swear this relationship reminds me of the fight berween Israel and Palestine, both cant hold to ONE SIMPLE agreement contract=)

[Ramo_Hawk]

After seeing the video, it's unfortunate to see that FLA had to find loop-holes and interpretations into the treaty to give them an advantage and continue the dick-measuring contest against law enforcement. No wonder whenever I /mdc these days, people associated with FLA are always suspected and are always at Whetstone. It's their little safe zone now.

Oh well, in Argonath you can't expect to give the server something without some people trying their best to spin it to their advantage at the expense of others.

In Taseen's video it was just me driving around, and random people from everywhere, INCLUDING cops started joining on top of my truck. Somehow someone was a suspect and cops started chasing after us, and a shootout occured. That video had absolutely nothing to do with FLA whatsoever.

[Mikal]

So being masked and not masked defines being FLA or not?

Yes, because when we do FLA shit, we are usually masked to protect ourselves from the courts... You should know since you were so desperate to sue our members a couple weeks ago.

It doesn't matter if you were RPing FLA at the time or not. You're still the same group of people killing cops. This isn't a RP discussion about if you were attacking as FLA or as Corleones. Bottom line, you're still causing shootouts, you're still creating a TDM atmosphere destroying the whole purpose of this.

You were the ones who chose to stay and start grabbing the weed after a group bigger and more well armed than yourselves told you to leave, did we cause the shootout or am I missing something?

Only difference I see is, you called a whole army to Corleone HQ to kill cops but you claim it wasn't RP'd as FLA so it is justified. No, purpose wasn't to stop you representing FLA in major areas, purpose was to stop TDM.

We are all close friends who look after eachother, does that automatically make every action we commit an FLA activity?

The purpose of the treaty was to stop shootouts, and it had been working, we were simply protecting a friends (who is coincidentally an FLA member) income and avenging his life after you killed him, the treaty was still in effect and was still working, we hadn't given you any reason to start a major shootout in the days since the treaty was created, there hadn't been one in Flint Country, there had been one in LS, with legitimate reason.

Tomorrow it would have been back to the normal treaty, no shootouts in Flint Country, no blocked roads, no major provocative actions by FLA as a group, we did today what criminals do, kidnap, grow drugs, get income, and we protected all of that as criminals, you decided to see it as a rebel action and invaded Angel Pine, breaching the treaty, why not just accept the fact and admit your wrongdoing?

As for the "not RPed treaty", here's us discussing it, in RP.

In Taseen's video it was just me driving around, and random people from everywhere, INCLUDING cops started joining on top of my truck. Somehow someone was a suspect and cops started chasing after us, and a shootout occured. That video had absolutely nothing to do with FLA whatsoever.

Yup, a truck driving around with people in witches hats dancing and being plain stupid stood ontop, sounds like FLA to me...

[Arslan]

In Taseen's video it was just me driving around, and random people from everywhere, INCLUDING cops started joining on top of my truck. Somehow someone was a suspect and cops started chasing after us, and a shootout occured. That video had absolutely nothing to do with FLA whatsoever.

Don't need to look at video anyways, it isn't the only scenario. Just go back to the event at CMHQ which you were very actively involved in chasing and shooting cops.

[TruthSvensson]

Uh this wan't a roleplay agreement Einstein, the whole purpose of it was to reduce TDM in the server. Everyone knows who FLA is and isn't. As I said, you completely misunderstood the purpose of this and are attempting to exploit anything which isn't written treating it as some law book. It was to give guidelines as how FLA would conduct themselves and how police should deal with their operations. Not to continue rolling around as a army, killing anyone after we tell them to "leave" 2 or three times and then run to AP.

If it wasn't a roleplay agreement, what was it? Were you and SAPD trying to avoid RP with FLA by posting a bullshit treaty? You know it's against the rules to avoid RP. I thought this peace treaty was a great step in quality RP. But now I see that you guys are just being jerks.

ps. If you think it's TDM, why are you participating in it? Just report it to admins.

[taseen11]

Yup, a truck driving around with people in witches hats dancing and being plain stupid stood ontop, sounds like FLA to me...

You can tell when they're FLA when they throw bombs at you, then immediately drive back to Angel Pine under the assumption that they're under some 'immunity' from the crimes they have committed in LS.

[Arslan]

1.Yes, because when we do FLA shit, we are usually masked to protect ourselves from the courts... You should know since you were so desperate to sue our members a couple weeks ago.
2. You were the ones who chose to stay and start grabbing the weed after a group bigger and more well armed than yourselves told you to leave, did we cause the shootout or am I missing something?
We are all close friends who look after eachother, does that automatically make every action we commit an FLA activity?

3. The purpose of the treaty was to stop shootouts, and it had been working, we were simply protecting a friends (who is coincidentally an FLA member) income and avenging his life after you killed him, the treaty was still in effect and was still working, we hadn't given you any reason to start a major shootout in the days since the treaty was created, there hadn't been one in Flint Country, there had been one in LS, with legitimate reason.

Tomorrow it would have been back to the normal treaty, no shootouts in Flint Country, no blocked roads, no major provocative actions by FLA as a group, we did today what criminals do, kidnap, grow drugs, get income, and we protected all of that as criminals, you decided to see it as a rebel action and invaded Angel Pine, breaching the treaty, why not just accept the fact and admit your wrongdoing?

4. As for the "not RPed treaty", here's us discussing it, in RP.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Yup, a truck driving around with people in witches hats dancing and being plain stupid stood ontop, sounds like FLA to me...

1. Getting personal because you're in the wrong still doesn't justify this.
2. Police were there 5 minutes before anyone of you even came. They responded to a weed field, dealt with the suspect and began to secure the field. Then you bring along your whole army under "aiding corleone" flag, say leave twice and shooting at cops without a word of interaction. It wasn't RP, it wasn't in compliance with this agreement, it was just a manipulation of the agreement and hunger to continue having TDM matches.
3. Yeah so basically anyone part of FLA, does a crime anywhere on the map means you warranted a response from whole FLA because "he friend" and NOT to save/evade the cops but to come, stand around, threaten them and kill them. Wasn't RP, wasn't in compliance with this treaty.
4. Yeah it was an attempt by development team and HQ to stop TDM atmosphere, in RP the federal agencies wouldn't be sitting next to terrorists discussing how you can commit treason legally.