Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[Celso]

Were you and SAPD trying to avoid RP with FLA by posting a bullshit treaty

If by you and SAPD, You meant Server Development and HQ, you are correct!

[Chase]

@Gandalf @Devin @Teddy @eymas @Rusty

Please do something. Even if it means "losing players"... I don't like seeing the forum and main chat spammed with poo. It's gotten old, y'know?

[TruthSvensson]

If by you and SAPD, You meant Server Development and HQ, you are correct!

If HQ broke their own rules, they can't expect other people to follow them.

[Salmonella]

I don't care what the concept of your rebel army is. Bottom line, you're still doing the same shit you were doing before under a different flag. Yeah, not the reason for this treaty. And if you wanted to play it out this way, shouldn't have come on this topic moaning treaty was broken by cops evidently because of your actions.

You don't care? Goes to show who's really the one trying to spin things to their advantage. All you do is talk, you don't listen and this post painfully illustrates that.

Nothing was done under any different flag. Just because you got killed by a few guys that were coincidentally in /groupmembers FLA, doesn't mean it's an action in FLA. The purpose of the treaty was to put an end to roadblocks and keep law enforcement/FLA hostility to a minimum. It did not say ''People who are in FLA can't shoot at cops anymore''. Bottom line is this shootout had nothing to do with FLA other than some people participating in it being in /groupmembers FLA.

As for people saying FLA is the one trying to find loopholes and spin things into its profit:

If you read the treaty and then read Arslan's posts, you'll find that there is very little in common with what Arslan is saying now, and what he wrote in the actual treaty. This is ironic because indeed, he wrote and posted it, albeit after discussing it with other involved parties.

Law enforcement in this topic are trying to protect their interest now by making stuff up that wasn't in the treaty in the first place and trying to blame things on 'interpretation'. Literally nothing in the treaty resembles even closely what law enforcement, and especially Arslan is posting now after that they actually broke the treaty. It should be noted that the treaty was already hugely cop-sided and that the FLA agreed to all the terms nonetheless in hope of better cooperation and to reach more initial goals through different methods.

All I can say at this point is, learn to take a loss and think your actions through a little better next time.

[Mikal]

Don't need to look at video anyways, it isn't the only scenario. Just go back to the event at CMHQ which you were very actively involved in chasing and shooting cops.

Shooting the cops who refused to leave when they were out gunned, shot at us, and then ran off expecting to survive, after harvesting half of the weed we came to protect?

You can tell when they're FLA when they throw bombs at you, then immediately drive back to Angel Pine under the assumption that they're under some 'immunity' from the crimes they have committed in LS.

Oh right, I forgot that only FLA can get bombs and such...

And I was with the truck after that shootout, they didn't go back to Angel Pine, they were driving around as they had been doing for a while.
We are not abusing our 'immunity' in Angel Pine, and even if we did (which we didn't), when did you guys make any attempts to negotiate as the treaty says you would?

If by you and SAPD, You meant Server Development and HQ, you are correct!

The treaty was RPed, as a treaty should be...

@Gandalf @Devin @Teddy @eymas @Rusty

Please do something. Even if it means "losing players"... I don't like seeing the forum and main chat spammed with poo. It's gotten old, y'know?

Are you making this plea in a neutral manner or are you insinuating that FLA is the cause of these problems?

[taseen11]

Are you making this plea in a neutral manner or are you insinuating that FLA is the cause of these problems?

It's hard to even fathom that motion

[Arslan]

1.Shooting the cops who refused to leave when they were out gunned, shot at us, and then ran off expecting to survive, after harvesting half of the weed we came to protect?
Oh right, I forgot that only FLA can get bombs and such...

And I was with the truck after that shootout, they didn't go back to Angel Pine, they were driving around as they had been doing for a while.
2. We are not abusing our 'immunity' in Angel Pine, and even if we did (which we didn't), when did you guys make any attempts to negotiate as the treaty says you would?
The treaty was RPed, as a treaty should be...
Are you making this plea in a neutral manner or are you insinuating that FLA is the cause of these problems?

1. Logs will show who shot at who. Your job as a suspect is aid your friends in evading the police. Not come there being big shots and claim you own the place because you have more people with you due to the DM aspect of the "RP".  And now you can't even claim you were FLA and that's why you did what you did in protest against the government and not leave or evade the cops even if you came to help since you said yourself you weren't RPing FLA.
2. Clearly you are, you do shit in LS and run to AP. If you weren't RPing FLA and were not abusing it you would've done what I said above.

[TruthSvensson]

We could have negotiated, it's just that the highest rank at the time was suspected so the outcome of the situation was likely to be a 'im not coming out' type of scenario

Yes, you should take actions based on assumptions instead of the law and treaty. Good one.

[Chase]

Are you making this plea in a neutral manner or are you insinuating that FLA is the cause of these problems?

Neutral. I did not watch videos nor do I intend to because I knew someone, whether it be LE or FLA, would eventually fuck up.

The reason I said "even if it means loss of players" is because HQ can't make everyone happy. Whatever side they pick, players will be lost. And really I don't care at this point as long as the mudslinging and TDM reduces at the very least.

[Mikal]

We could have negotiated, it's just that the highest rank at the time was suspected so the outcome of the situation was likely to be a 'im not coming out' type of scenario

So you didn't bother trying to negotiate because of a dodgy assumption and have now destroyed the peace treaty as an after effect...

1. Logs will show who shot at who. Your job as a suspect is aid your friends in evading the police. Not come there being big shots and claim you own the place because you have more people with you due to the DM aspect of the "RP".  And now you can't even claim you were FLA and that's why you did what you did in protest against the government and not leave or evade the cops even if you came to help since you said yourself you weren't RPing FLA.
2. Clearly you are, you do shit in LS and run to AP. If you weren't RPing FLA and were not abusing it you would've done what I said above.

1. Why are logs needed? We shot first after you failed to leave as we requested and started harvesting the plants we came to protect... And 'evading' would have meant leaving the weed, the very reason we came... If you had just killed John and there was no weed, we wouldn't have came.

2. We live in Angel Pine, half of FLA own a property there, it's where we spend all our time just as Ballas did when they stood idle at GS9 or City Hall all day.

Neutral. I did not watch videos nor do I intend to because I knew someone, whether it be LE or FLA, would eventually fuck up.

The reason I said "even if it means loss of players" is because HQ can't make everyone happy. Whatever side they pick, players will be lost. And really I don't care at this point as long as the mudslinging and TDM reduces at the very least.

I've been told Flint Country will never get it's independence because cops would leave the server, I even asked cops myself and some have said they would, kind of sad really, why would you leave because progress is being made which could create more RP and bring an end to all the shootouts? I was told this by a HQ member, and I'm still here, not leaving...

[Arslan]

1.You don't care? Goes to show who's really the one trying to spin things to their advantage. All you do is talk, you don't listen and this post painfully illustrates that.

2.Nothing was done under any different flag. Just because you got killed by a few guys that were coincidentally in /groupmembers FLA, doesn't mean it's an action in FLA. The purpose of the treaty was to put an end to roadblocks and keep law enforcement/FLA hostility to a minimum. It did not say ''People who are in FLA can't shoot at cops anymore''.
3. Bottom line is this shootout had nothing to do with FLA other than some people participating in it being in /groupmembers FLA.

As for people saying FLA is the one trying to find loopholes and spin things into its profit:

4. If you read the treaty and then read Arslan's posts, you'll find that there is very little in common with what Arslan is saying now, and what he wrote in the actual treaty. This is ironic because indeed, he wrote and posted it, albeit after discussing it with other involved parties.

5. Law enforcement in this topic are trying to protect their interest now by making stuff up that wasn't in the treaty in the first place and trying to blame things on 'interpretation'. Literally nothing in the treaty resembles even closely what law enforcement, and especially Arslan is posting now after that they actually broke the treaty. It should be noted that the treaty was already hugely cop-sided and that the FLA agreed to all the terms nonetheless in hope of better cooperation and to reach more initial goals through different methods.

6. All I can say at this point is, learn to take a loss and think your actions through a little better next time.

1. You're bringing irrelevant things into the discussion which don't even matter in the actual reason for this discussion. We're not here to debate about what FLA is made for.
2. Clearly it was since you just claim you came to help your friends and you brought a whole kill squad to CM HQ solely to stand there, threaten and shoot at cops.
3. Problem is it has everything to do with FLA since it's still the same people running to kill cops being FLA or not. And this "terrorist group" is being used as justification. I'v said already what you should've done and what the rules are for being a suspect and in what way you should aid suspects. You had no reason to shoot cops at CMHQ, no one engaged you, you solely came to say "leave" 3 times and start shooting.
4. I didn't write it, I just posted it. And anything in it was agreement upon by everyone.
5. If you're saying we're trying to protect our interest by saying we're tired of this TDM, then yes, we are. Nothing is made up, everything is being laid out for HQ to make an evaluation and everything will be proven in logs.
6. We're not here to have TDM so it wasn't a loss. Also if I remember correctly, if was you who claimed in public chat TDM keeps inactivity away, yeah not here. Join DM server for that because frankly majority of people have had enough.

[Arslan]

1. Why are logs needed? We shot first after you failed to leave as we requested and started harvesting the plants we came to protect... And 'evading' would have meant leaving the weed, the very reason we came... If you had just killed John and there was no weed, we wouldn't have came.

2. We live in Angel Pine, half of FLA own a property there, it's where we spend all our time just as Ballas did when they stood idle at GS9 or City Hall all day.
I've been told Flint Country will never get it's independence because cops would leave the server, I even asked cops myself and some have said they would, kind of sad really, why would you leave because progress is being made which could create more RP and bring an end to all the shootouts? I was told this by a HQ member, and I'm still here, not leaving...

1. Yeah once the weed is discovered by the police and they've established a crime scene it would make sense to leave it and evade. As I said logs will show exactly what happen and who did what. I'm just laying out the visual aspect of how it happen. If you believe what you did is justified then fair enough.
2. Ballas didn't go around responding to man down whenever one of their men was involved in a police RP/shootout so don't even compare FLA to them.
Create more RP? All you've done is cause TDM from day one and now you claim to end this give us this and we promise we won't cause TDM when in reality it will end in the same way as this treaty did.

[TiMoN]

>lose gunfight
>cry tdm

>win gunfight
>shitpost all-day

This has been the case since I quote, "day one". Grow the fuck up Arslan and the rest of SAPD/FBI if you can't take a loss then by all means fuck off or stop whining, both would be even much better.  Sometimes I wonder whether LEOs get promoted based on how good the can bitch and cry on forums, all the high ranks seems to be doing it. You kept bitching until HQ intervened and get you a peace treaty that was clearly biased toward you and your kindergarten, I mean SAPD, then you proceed to claim the treaty was broken because you got shot by a bunch of guys with RP names that I barely recognize that RP with FLA.
Then you proceed to try and win the 2v8 fight because robocops n shit. Then these robocops lose the fight(who would've thought) and take it upon themselves to start a 10 page arguing to satisfy their ego that was  shattered in game.

Learn when to take a loss, I used to say schools should stop teaching kids it's ok to lose goddamn but I mistaken.

[Leon.]

I recommend HQ force a total administrative ceasefire under any circumstance between the groups, and ban those who violate it - as in the case of Gvardia/Soprano back in the day.

[Solis]

Hurr durr

Read the thread again. This whole bickering was started by Mikal who posted misleading screenshots.