Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[TiMoN]

It appears you help them without trying though.

the more you reply the more I realize you didn't even read the treaty

[Arslan]

We killed all of you including you..

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about so I'd suggest stop posting. Also I thought you weren't even part of FLA? What was your purpose of being there, was a "friend" stuck and needed back up?

[Bruce.]

I don't mind us not having independence after all it's the rebellion RP that this group was created for, but for some to say they'd leave if we got it us just plain salty.

Let them leave, you just go ahead and do what you do best and let the shitstorm behind your back. Just ignore the haters and keep going. Like i said bringing in on this forum will only cause more and more shitstorm like we all can see. If you bring the problem in this case the ceasefire breach then take it to HQ without involving the forum. It just becomes a straight pain in the ass...

[Julio.]

stop shitposting without having context of what has happened.

don't assume shit, it will only add fuel to the argument here.

Right. Useful information, thanks. 

Entered for a shootout? No we entered because our friend who is also an FLA member was calling for help on CB, when we arrive he's dead and FBI are in the middle of harvesting his weed, we out number them by 8v3 and so assume they'd leave if we told them too, but being the Terminators they are they decided to stay and continue harvesting despite our warnings, that left us with no choice but to make them leave, a few shots later and they were running for the hills, leaving us to harvest the weed, do you follow now?

Cheers Mikal for the actual information (no sarcasm), sounds like you do no need to keep some of your dogs on a leash though (see quote above).

Sounds like you weren't in LS in an "FLA" capacity, ie, not campaigning for your freedom and shizzle. Looks like a situation that would've likely occurred with any other criminal group in the same position in my opinion.

The treaty doesn't state that the FLA cannot commit crimes in LS, but it does state that the release of FLA suspects from Angel Pine should be negotiated with the highest ranked FLA member online. Going strictly by confines of the treaty, law enforcement should have contacted the FLA rather than entering Angel Pine.

On the flipside, outside the confines of the treaty but within the law of the constitution, it's illegal to grow weed, and it was right the individual was suspected.

The treaty states that there should be negotiation between the parties for the release of a suspect, not that the negotiation always ends with law enforcement getting them, but if as a group you've attacked/killed multiple law enforcement members, then you can't expect to run home to Angel Pine and expect nothing to happen.

Unfortunately this scenario wasn't accounted for in the treaty, but I would personally say that as soon as combat commenced in LS, the treaty was made null and void.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Let me clear some things out for you people. The treaty states that when it comes to suspects who are barricaded in Angel Pine, Law Enforcements MUST negotiate. Now, yes, we were at Los Santos where we have committed some crimes, and then we left. We cross the boarder to Flint County and then crossed it again to Angel Pine. Now, due to Angel Pine being in a current dictatorship state, there aren't any law enforcements there to take care of suspects. So you either let them go freely, or contact an online high ranked member to negotiate. Either we pay a fine and you leave the suspect go, or we hand him over or ask him to leave Angel Pine.

In no way WHAT WE DID gave you the right to automatically cross the boarder and take things in your hands. If you wanted us to permanently stay in Angel Pine and do not move a single muscle, should of clarified it when you were agreeing about the treaty and we would obviously decline. It was your mistake that didn't clarify what you wanted, and it was your mistake crossing the boarder because of some suspects, and we aren't talking here about just one FLA Soldier, there were plenty including Sergeants and the leadership of FLA itself.

[Sweeper]

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about so I'd suggest stop posting. Also I thought you weren't even part of FLA? What was your purpose of being there, was a "friend" stuck and needed back up?

Is Angel Pine restricted area?

[Julio.]

Let me clear some things out for you people. The treaty states that when it comes to suspects who are barricaded in Angel Pine, Law Enforcements MUST negotiate. Now, yes, we were at Los Santos where we have committed some crimes, and then we left. We cross the boarder to Flint County and then crossed it again to Angel Pine. Now, due to Angel Pine being in a current dictatorship state, there aren't any law enforcements there to take care of suspects. So you either let them go freely, or contact an online high ranked member to negotiate. Either we pay a fine and you leave the suspect go, or we hand him over or ask him to leave Angel Pine.

In no way WHAT WE DID gave you the right to automatically cross the boarder and take things in your hands. If you wanted us to permanently stay in Angel Pine and do not move a single muscle, should of clarified it when you were agreeing about the treaty and we would obviously decline. It was your mistake that didn't clarify what you wanted, and it was your mistake crossing the boarder because of some suspects, and we aren't talking here about just one FLA Soldier, there were plenty including Sergeants and the leadership of FLA itself.

I see the point of view from both sides, and I know what you're saying. But a peace treaty is a cease-fire and if a group as a whole (including leadership) is involved in a shootout with law enforcement in LS, then the "cease-fire" is null and void, since the whole point of it was to prevent these events occurring?

[Kaze]

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[Ramo_Hawk]

I see the point of view from both sides, and I know what you're saying. But a peace treaty is a cease-fire and if a group as a whole (including leadership) is involved in a shootout with law enforcement in LS, then the "cease-fire" is null and void, since the whole point of it was to prevent these events occurring?

Yes BUT no one from FLA was acting as FLA, at that very moment when an ally asked for back up, he asked his criminal friends to do so, and the peace treaty was done as a ceasefire and to keep both parties away from each other if possible, we defended an ally territory, and we left. They could have easily let HQ handle it, even though there was nothing to handle, but they could have left HQ to handle it and not just tell us that HQ will handle it once they've taken it in their own hands.

[Arslan]

Let me clear some things out for you people. The treaty states that when it comes to suspects who are barricaded in Angel Pine, Law Enforcements MUST negotiate. Now, yes, we were at Los Santos where we have committed some crimes, and then we left. We cross the boarder to Flint County and then crossed it again to Angel Pine. Now, due to Angel Pine being in a current dictatorship state, there aren't any law enforcements there to take care of suspects. So you either let them go freely, or contact an online high ranked member to negotiate. Either we pay a fine and you leave the suspect go, or we hand him over or ask him to leave Angel Pine.

In no way WHAT WE DID gave you the right to automatically cross the boarder and take things in your hands. If you wanted us to permanently stay in Angel Pine and do not move a single muscle, should of clarified it when you were agreeing about the treaty and we would obviously decline. It was your mistake that didn't clarify what you wanted, and it was your mistake crossing the boarder because of some suspects, and we aren't talking here about just one FLA Soldier, there were plenty including Sergeants and the leadership of FLA itself.

The treaty states that for FLA suspects. You've been claiming throughout this whole topic you weren't there as FLA so evidently you're just using AP as an escape route to do what you want in LS and then run to AP assuming police can't catch us now and they need to negotiate. Not the purpose of treaty.
And it wasn't anyone's mistake. It isn't hard to understand what you did was only exploit the treaty unless every bit of word is written down for you telling you the dos and don'ts. You weren't even at the discussion, the exact thing you did at CM HQ and then moved to AP was discussed. The motion was raised that other people would use AP as a safe haven. But it turned out, the whole FLA claims to be not FLA in LS, do the same shit as before and then run into AP claiming to be FLA. Doesn't work that way.

[Arslan]

Still don't understand why you're crying about this. It's a GAME. Stop talking out of your vagina and get your force together and develop new tactics to stop this so called 'terrorist organisation'

Uhm.. we're law enforcement our job is to stop the organisation. If you don't want interaction with law enforcement go sit in a farm or something. You want to create and be part of something and then not accept its consequences.

[Julio.]

Yes BUT no one from FLA was acting as FLA, at that very moment when an ally asked for back up, he asked his criminal friends to do so, and the peace treaty was done as a ceasefire and to keep both parties away from each other if possible, we defended an ally territory, and we left. They could have easily let HQ handle it, even though there was nothing to handle, but they could have left HQ to handle it and not just tell us that HQ will handle it once they've taken it in their own hands.

So if they weren't acting as FLA, why would law enforcement not be allowed to enter Angel Pine to arrest them?

• Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area.

Nobody's fault in particular, but I think the confines of this treaty need to be defined a little better.

[Arslan]

So if they weren't acting as FLA, why would law enforcement not be allowed to enter Angel Pine to arrest them?

This is the biggest flaw and contradiction in their argument. Now you don't even know if they were being FLA or "friends helping" since the actions carried out as either one were wrong.

[Ramo_Hawk]

And it wasn't anyone's mistake. It isn't hard to understand what you did was only exploit the treaty unless every bit of word is written down for you telling you the dos and don'ts. You weren't even at the discussion

Indeed, I wasn't at the discussion so the dos and don'ts were clearly required. Even if we did exploit it to our advantage, it was your mistake for not clarifying things beforehand.

The treaty states that for FLA suspects. You've been claiming throughout this whole topic you weren't there as FLA so evidently you're just using AP as an escape route to do what you want in LS and then run to AP assuming police can't catch us now and they need to negotiate. Not the purpose of treaty.

Committing crimes as FLA or not, if we cross the boarder, we cross it. That is why the treaty was created, to force you to roleplay and negotiate with us. That is WHY we want independence, in order for you not to automatically rush in and start putting bullets in everyone's heads.

[Kaze]

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