Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[Arslan]

"Not confront them as terminators" is what exactly what you did when you were outnumbered. Also, in no where was it stated that we had no rights to leave Angel Pine and go roleplay elsewhere, so no, we did not breach shit.

Admit it, you breached it. You already said it without realising.

[Arslan]

Also, in no where was it stated that we had no rights to leave Angel Pine and go roleplay elsewhere, so no, we did not breach shit.

True, but your roleplay is to go anywhere on the map to kill cops which is what we are trying to stop and contain in AP.

[TheGreasyChopper]

 I really can't keep up with the whole topic as it's all going too fast but...From what I see it was Law Enforcement who broke the treaty. They entered Angel Pine.

 Sure FLA came to Los Santos and did a few things, but there's not a single mention of FLA not being allowed in Los Santos or not being allowed to do any crimes outside of Flint County. Yes, the treaty may have been created to stop shootouts and moaning, but you should've thought of it when you wrote it. Right now the only one who broke it from the evidence posted was PD.

Agreement terms

• Citizens of the United States of Argonath and law enforcement have access to Flint County and Whetstone but law enforcement are not permitted to enter Angel Pine. Law enforcement officials who enter Angel Pine will be reported to senior law enforcement (FBI & SAPD Sgt+) who will then ensure those officers are removed from the restricted area. Law enforcement and civilians will still be allowed to use the highways bordering Angel Pine and access Mt. Chiliad.
• Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area. 
• Any suspect above Soldier rank will have to result in law enforcement negotiating the release of the suspect by FLA or any other possible outcome.
• Stop the moaning in public chat in-game and forums from both sides. No provoking comments or behavior in-game or forum.
• FLA will remove people who join for shootouts and do not participate with FLA RP.
• FLA will stop blocking main roads connecting cities such as Flint Intersection, LS-SF Tunnel etc.
• If entry is needed into Angel Pine for whatever reason, the highest ranking law enforcement official of any law enforcement agency should consult with the highest ranking FLA member.

[Arslan]

I really can't keep up with the whole topic as it's all going too fast but...From what I see it was Law Enforcement who broke the treaty. They entered Angel Pine.

 Sure FLA came to Los Santos and did a few things, but there's not a single mention of FLA not being allowed in Los Santos or not being allowed to do any crimes outside of Flint County. Yes, the treaty may have been created to stop shootouts and moaning, but you should've thought of it when you wrote it. Right now the only one who broke it from the evidence posted was PD.

Don't post if you haven't read the topic then since we've already been over this.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Admit it, you breached it. You already said it without realising.

We exploited it, for our advantage, but you broke it. Understand that and we can move on. If you cannot understand that, move on anyway because I am done discussing this and trying to explain things to you.

[Arslan]

We exploited it, for our advantage, but you broke it. Understand that and we can move on. If you cannot understand that, move on anyway because I am done discussing this and trying to explain things to you.

We would've broke it if you were doing some FLA shit in LS which lead to police attention and then you moved to AP but that wasn't the case since half go you say you were FLA and half of you say you weren't.
You solely came there for a shootout which is unacceptable and scraps the purpose of the treaty.

[Ramo_Hawk]

We would've broke it if you were doing some FLA shit in LS which lead to police attention and then you moved to AP but that wasn't the case since half go you say you were FLA and half of you say you weren't.
You solely came there for a shootout which is unacceptable and scraps the purpose of the treaty.

This is what I've concluded on what you expect from this so called treaty:

1. No interaction between Law Enforcements and FLA Members whatsoever.
2. FLA Members have no right to exit Angel Pine.
2.1. FLA Members have no right to protect their lands.
3. Any drugs that are found, are automatically Law Enforcements' and if a criminal goes close, automatic #1 wanted by the state.

Did I hit anything? I probably did on all of them.

[Julio.]

I really can't keep up with the whole topic as it's all going too fast but...From what I see it was Law Enforcement who broke the treaty. They entered Angel Pine.

 Sure FLA came to Los Santos and did a few things, but there's not a single mention of FLA not being allowed in Los Santos or not being allowed to do any crimes outside of Flint County. Yes, the treaty may have been created to stop shootouts and moaning, but you should've thought of it when you wrote it. Right now the only one who broke it from the evidence posted was PD.

The PD are allowed to enter Angel Pine to chase non-FLA suspects.

If the suspects that the PD pursued were FLA, then the suspects were FLA when they opened fire on law enforcement in Los Santos beforehand.

[Arslan]

This is what I've concluded on what you expect from this so called treaty:

1. No interaction between Law Enforcements and FLA Members whatsoever.
2. FLA Members have no right to exit Angel Pine.
2.1. FLA Members have no right to protect their lands.
3. Any drugs that are found, are automatically Law Enforcements' and if a criminal goes close, automatic #1 wanted by the state.

Did I hit anything? I probably did on all of them.

Interaction between FLA and law enforcement which has a roleplay purpose and not just 3 times "leave" and shootout, yes.
FLA members can do whatever they want wherever they want just not say we did this in LS as a drug lord but now that we're in AP, we're FLA.
FLA has no lands, AP is the only place we've given to allow you to RP your thing. Everything else is as it is, and civilians/law enforcement has full jurisdiction over it, including AP except for the exceptions from FLA.
Any farms which are found by the police should be considered seized and people shouldn't gather every guy they know, hand him a gun with "lets go kill cops at my field" since your job is to evade police.

[Ramo_Hawk]

civilians/law enforcement has full jurisdiction over it, including AP except for the exceptions from FLA.
Any farms which are found by the police should be considered seized and people shouldn't gather every guy they know, hand him a gun with "lets go kill cops at my field" since your job is to evade police.

If I have a shipment coming and cops are trying to fuck with it, yes, I'll give every guy I know a gun to make sure they put you down, that's exactly the same thing I would of done in reality. The only difference is that if cops notice they're outnumbered, they pack up and leave themselves and not stick around because 'they're cops and its their duty.'

[Arslan]

If I have a shipment coming and cops are trying to fuck with it, yes, I'll give every guy I know a gun to make sure they put you down, that's exactly the same thing I would of done in reality.

Damn you brave. Have you ever been arrested before?

[Ramo_Hawk]

Damn you brave. Have you ever been arrested before?

Lol, like I'd ever get caught. Paranoia is a great asset at times.

[Devin]

The treaty says nothing about FLA being banned from Los Santos, nor does it say anything about FLA getting into a shootout outside of Angel Pine.
Simple; cops fucked up telling officers to enter angel pine. Stop the god damn winning mentality and get off of your fucking egos for christ sake.

You can show a few pictures of us entering Angel Pine to take care of criminals who quite clearly entered LS to commit criminal acts and engaged officers in doing so but it's not really representative of the whole story now is it?

Just today, about 2-4 hours earlier, you all decided to come into LS and do this:


Who broke the treaty again?

Who broke the treaty? You and other officers did including SWAT and FBI members. Congratulations.
It does NOT say FLA members can't enter Los Santos nor does it say anything about FLA getting into shootouts outside of Angel Pine.
Cops made the treaty so vague and now you try to enforce nonsense that isn't even included in it. Your own fault.

You gave them a loophole, you told FLA they are allowed to be wanted in Angel Pine, you specified NOTHING about them returning to Angel Pine to hide out while wanted. Stop blaming them and admit your own fuck up.

[taseen11]

The treaty says nothing about FLA being banned from Los Santos, nor does it say anything about FLA getting into a shootout outside of Angel Pine.
Simple; cops fucked up telling officers to enter angel pine. Stop the god damn winning mentality and get off of your fucking egos for christ sake.

Who broke the treaty? You and other officers did including SWAT and FBI members. Congratulations.
It does NOT say FLA members can't enter Los Santos nor does it say anything about FLA getting into shootouts outside of Angel Pine.
Cops made the treaty so vague and now you try to enforce nonsense that isn't even included in it. Your own fault.

You gave them a loophole, you told FLA they are allowed to be wanted in Angel Pine, you specified NOTHING about them returning to Angel Pine to hide out while wanted. Stop blaming them and admit your own fuck up.

I guess the whole concept of a peace treaty is not a cease fire from both sides then. I must have been horribly mistaken.

[Rei]

I think that ped.ifp make you run faster than the default one :p