Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[Devin]

You setup the terms of this treaty, did they go to los santos to randomly get wanted? No they were helping Corleone members.
You (as in the officers) agreed to set terms which never specified anything about FLA shooting anyone nor did you specify FLA must stay in Angel Pine.

[Arslan]

You setup the terms of this treaty, did they go to los santos to randomly get wanted? No they were helping Corleone members.
You (as in the officers) agreed to set terms which never specified anything about FLA shooting anyone nor did you specify FLA must stay in Angel Pine.

Go speak to your fellow HQ members first. They are the ones who set this up and know what was discussed. And your claim about not making shit clear you them, I already said we discussed this point about suspects using it as a safe haven regarding what they can and can't do. It wasn't our job to write a book for them. 

The only person from HQ who has a right to make that judgement is either Teddy or Leon.

[TiMoN]

You setup the terms of this treaty, did they go to los santos to randomly get wanted? No they were helping Corleone members.
You (as in the officers) agreed to set terms which never specified anything about FLA shooting anyone nor did you specify FLA must stay in Angel Pine.

thx point made pls lock topic

[taseen11]

You setup the terms of this treaty, did they go to los santos to randomly get wanted? No they were helping Corleone members.
You (as in the officers) agreed to set terms which never specified anything about FLA shooting anyone nor did you specify FLA must stay in Angel Pine.

We both agreed on the terms, it wasn't one sided. You can see in the video that clearly they went into LS looking for trouble and used their FLA membership as a way out of getting caught. The definition of 'peace' is no conflict between both sides. Shooting up half of LS and killing cops counts as conflict.

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Even though it's not my vid the mod seems fine

[Stivi]

We both agreed on the terms, it wasn't one sided. You can see in the video that clearly they went into LS looking for trouble and used their FLA membership as a way out of getting caught. The definition of 'peace' is no conflict between both sides. Shooting up half of LS and killing cops counts as conflict.

Wasn't it peace as in let's negociate to stop fighting at FC-LS border?

[Gnb_22]

[Devin]

Go speak to your fellow HQ members first. They are the ones who set this up and know what was discussed. And your claim about not making shit clear you them, I already said we discussed this point about suspects using it as a safe haven regarding what they can and can't do. It wasn't our job to write a book for them.

I was not even around when the treaty was created, do you see my name signed on it? No.
You agreed to the terms, not anyone's fault but yours for not wanting to specify things like FLA getting wanted and returning to FLA giving you the ability to ignore the treaty.

Why would anyone write a book for something that is clear as day? It says they will hand over non-FLA suspects to SAPD, it also says that;
"Any suspect above Soldier rank will have to result in law enforcement negotiating the release of the suspect by FLA or any other possible outcome. "

But I guess that was ignored too.

FLA did not break the treaty by entering LS to help friends, cops brought the fight to Angel Pine. It's on the police department for this cockup.

The only person from HQ who has a right to make that judgement is either Teddy or Leon.

Teddy is not a part of HQ and Leon is a manager. I have the ability to make a judgement call on this as I am the one leading the server.

[Luke]

It still cracks me up now how a extremist/terrorist group has a choice of what they do, ain't the FBI along with army forces supposed to put a cap on this? Im sorry but if a group such as FLA enter foot in the city boundries shooting up the place im 101 percent sure lethal force would be a understatment. I think this shit is pathetic and now just getting way out of hand, congratulations you found a loop-hole in the treaty maybe yes it should have been sat down and re-thought of but the main goal of the treaty was to stop this whole pew pew pew everyday and yes the PD forces went to flint but only out of the fact FLA came to LS shooting the place up, Im sorry FLA fired the first shot and well law enforcement retalitated, slam me as you will but, what is good for one is good for another something people in Argonath cease to understand. Case closed.

[Devin]

Before signing a treaty or any form of contract one should always look for any possible exploitable terms or missing terms. Don't blame them for doing something that is inside of the treaty limitations.

[taseen11]

Before signing a treaty or any form of contract one should always look for any possible exploitable terms or missing terms. Don't blame them for doing something that is inside of the treaty limitations.

You're still failing to address this:

The definition of 'peace' is no conflict between both sides. Shooting up half of LS and killing cops counts as conflict.

[Arslan]

I was not even around when the treaty was created, do you see my name signed on it? No.
You agreed to the terms, not anyone's fault but yours for not wanting to specify things like FLA getting wanted and returning to FLA giving you the ability to ignore the treaty.

Why would anyone write a book for something that is clear as day? It says they will hand over non-FLA suspects to SAPD, it also says that;
"Any suspect above Soldier rank will have to result in law enforcement negotiating the release of the suspect by FLA or any other possible outcome. "

But I guess that was ignored too.

FLA did not break the treaty by entering LS to help friends, cops brought the fight to Angel Pine. It's on the police department for this cockup.

Teddy is not a part of HQ and Leon is a manager. I have the ability to make a judgement call on this as I am the one leading the server.

I told you to speak to them because they will be able to inform you if we covered this topic or not. This post wasn't made for FLA or cops to use as a book to determine what they can and can't do hence the lack of detail. It was actually made to inform the general public of what is going on behind the scenes. Points were discussed and agreed upon by both sides and doing what they did at CMHQ was the very point which we raised about people doing this. Again point of treaty was to reduce shootouts, it was an attempt from HQ not to call it truce with FLA. It is still a terrorist organisation, it is still a group of people killing cops.

Before you had issue that cops didn't give them space and shit, now no cop barely goes to Flint County and they don't enter AP. We've given them a whole city to do their shit yet it is somehow still not enough? And you want us to let them do whatever they want and then go sit in AP so no one can touch them? I don't think it even sounds like anything which anyone would've agreed upon.

I have no problem with continuing the same as shit was before. I didn't call for this however, I did agree when someone made an initiative to reach a solution and I did my part. FLA should've taken the points that were made and implemented them. We cannot be held responsible for that.

[Luke]

Before signing a treaty or any form of contract one should always look for any possible exploitable terms or missing terms. Don't blame them for doing something that is inside of the treaty limitations.

Agreed but I think being shot at kind of well voids that contract instantly, I don't go into a agreement with someone only to be shot at by them within 3 days of the contact being presented. Pretty sure that's not how
PEACE treatys work. 

[jovanca]

Give mayors real roleplay power so they can decide how to handle the 'terrorists'. Have elections asap. Instead of handling roleplay matter on forum, handle it in roleplay. Punish those who break the rules on both sides.

[Devin]

It is called a peace treaty, sure. Did it say anything about a cease fire between cops and FLA? No. You setup the terms, they stuck to what you told them to.
You all specified that cops would NOT rush in to Angel Pine, that you would negotiate handing over FLA suspects in Angel Pine.

The video provided shows the cops going up to FLA in LS, so it's still FLAs fault for being on the server?

[Arslan]

It is called a peace treaty, sure. Did it say anything about a cease fire between cops and FLA? No. You setup the terms, they stuck to what you told them to.
You all specified that cops would NOT rush in to Angel Pine, that you would negotiate handing over FLA suspects in Angel Pine.

The video provided shows the cops going up to FLA in LS, so it's still FLAs fault for being on the server?

The issue was TDM which will still happen no matter where they are. FLA is still the same group of people rolling with same mentality, they are still armed and if one of them gets a slightest of problems, it turns into a TDM.

This treaty can be scrapped if you want and shit can continue as it was before.