Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[taseen11]

It is called a peace treaty, sure. Did it say anything about a cease fire between cops and FLA? No. You setup the terms, they stuck to what you told them to.

The foundation of the treaty was a  cease fire from both sides. Ask your fellow HQ members or even Mikal. That was the fundamental principle behind it.

[Conk]

The foundation of the treaty was a  cease fire from both sides. Ask your fellow HQ members or even Mikal. That was the fundamental principle behind it.

Not what it says on the treaty, nor in the agreement terms.

[Salmonella]

1. You're bringing irrelevant things into the discussion which don't even matter in the actual reason for this discussion. We're not here to debate about what FLA is made for.

It is very relevant because you're assuming FLA is a primary role for everyone, thus making the very wrong assumption that every time its members are driving around in Los Santos, or in this case, helping a friend, it's an ''FLA activity''. I'm in like 15 /groups ingame and you are nobody to assume I'm either doing AV, FLA, AoD, SanitaryAndreas or Soprano stuff just because I'm around someone else that is also in FLA. Almost half the active part of the server is related to FLA in some way at this point.

2. Clearly it was since you just claim you came to help your friends and you brought a whole kill squad to CM HQ solely to stand there, threaten and shoot at cops.

And this is FLA, how?

3. Problem is it has everything to do with FLA since it's still the same people running to kill cops being FLA or not. And this "terrorist group" is being used as justification. I'v said already what you should've done and what the rules are for being a suspect and in what way you should aid suspects. You had no reason to shoot cops at CMHQ, no one engaged you, you solely came to say "leave" 3 times and start shooting.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know cops didn't get shot before FLA. Guess I haven't seen anything these past 10 years in Argonath, where I was an SAPD Sergeant for years as well. As for this particular reason to shoot: You shot John dead and tried to steal his weed. You were given a fair chance to beat it while his friends took the weed back, for which John had called backup for before he died, in RP. If it was me leading it I would've killed you either way for killing my friend like that. They went easy on you but you figured you could take them on so you tried your luck anyway and failed. Who's wanting the shootouts now, huh?

4. I didn't write it, I just posted it. And anything in it was agreement upon by everyone.

Yes, I pointed this out. You worded it though and you were most vocal during the negotiations anyway. Fact is, this whole treaty was tailored to suit YOUR needs, not ours. You were very pleased with the outcome and so were all the others who are now crying that the treaty was FLA-sided. This is a shameful display of what it means to be a sore loser.

6. We're not here to have TDM so it wasn't a loss. Also if I remember correctly, if was you who claimed in public chat TDM keeps inactivity away, yeah not here. Join DM server for that because frankly majority of people have had enough.

This is extremely hypocritical. Given FBI and SAPD its attitudes in engagements with the FLA prior to the treaty, it looks to me like these parties are the ones who really are hungry for TDM. Two cases: 1.) At the bridge on the road to Angel Pine. I just stood there cause I had a bar there. I was walking slowly while suddenly a convoy of SAPD came and opened fire on a bunch of FLA soldiers. I was walking away from it, unarmed and not aiming but within 5 seconds my armor was gone. I had to jump off of the bridge to avoid getting killed just because SAPD assumed I was participating in their little skirmish. 2. The whole fiasco where Celso called backup on Teamspeak and Taseen arrived. I didn't want to shoot and I walked away from the scene before any shooting started. Taseen chased me, suspected me for ''aiding'' and opened fire instantly, again while I was not a treat. Supposedly ''brandishing a weapon'' (which wasn't even RPly, I don't pay attention to which weapon I have out, nobody does) is enough reason for him to open fire instantly after suspection, even while I was walking towards him to surrender and find out just what the hell he thought he was doing.

But yeah, I personally don't mind a little TDM. Everyone likes it, including you. In this situation it suits you to say you don't though, because you lost. Should've seen mainchat when you won a shootout, then you seemed to love it. Shooting is part of the game and I like it a lot, like everyone does but nobody seems to want to admit in times like these. 

[Devin]

As I have said twice now, the treaty said nothing about FLA getting into a shootout with anyone.

It specifically stated that if there are any suspected FLA members above soldier, cops would organize a negotiation for them to hand over the said criminals.
Sure things got out of hand, but you still should have put your best foot forwards and done as the treaty said you would over running in to Angel Pine with command trucks.

[Hevar.]

This reminds me of a story:

An elder Native American was teaching his grandchildren about life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me.. it is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith."

"This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other person, too", he added.

The Grandchildren thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied... "The one you feed."

[Arslan]

As I have said twice now, the treaty said nothing about FLA getting into a shootout with anyone.

It specifically stated that if there are any suspected FLA members above soldier, cops would organize a negotiation for them to hand over the said criminals.
Sure things got out of hand, but you still should have put your best foot forwards and done as the treaty said you would over running in to Angel Pine with command trucks.

We find what they did not acceptable and consider what they did a breach of the treaty. So either the treaty gets renegotiated or it can be scrapped.

[Luke]

As I have said twice now, the treaty said nothing about FLA getting into a shootout with anyone.

But you still fail to understand firearms and firing them are erm well a bit out of that agreement may not be wrote on it but as soon as you take out a firearm and your fire it at the opsition of the agreement it is shown as a act of war.

[Devin]

The treaty was designed to introduce some kind of interaction other than moaning and death between the parties involved. But you seriously can't tell me the treaty means an absolute cease fire between cops and FLA. You essentially gave them immunity if they are inside of Angel Pine with this agreement.

[Julio.]

Easier to scrap the treaty... then get it rewritten and ask somebody from the court to review it.

You essentially gave them immunity if they are inside of Angel Pine with this agreement.

Yep 

[taseen11]

The treaty was designed to introduce some kind of interaction other than moaning and death between the parties involved. But you seriously can't tell me the treaty means an absolute cease fire between cops and FLA.

You can't really have a peace treaty without a cease fire to be perfectly honest. The whole thing was working fine for the past few days until they decided to come and engage cops in LS.

[.Matthew.]

The treaty was designed to introduce some kind of interaction other than moaning and death between the parties involved. But you seriously can't tell me the treaty means an absolute cease fire between cops and FLA. You essentially gave them immunity if they are inside of Angel Pine with this agreement.

Ye man it's horrific, we agreed to a treaty that gave them immunity inside Angel Pine. And Teddy and Leon ones that initiated the treaty process themselves. I don't know what the hell is on their mind for trying to make peace and end the shitstorms, but you need to get them in order as their boss. I find it very outrageous to have a developer and a manager try to maintain peace in the community between two parties at this time especially when the server turned into an unique roleplay of warfare (war simulation!), and that unique opportunity should be used and the government of Argonath should deploy special operation units and airstrikes against the militia in Flint County.

As one soldier said from a documentary about Afghanistan: "We're not here to have a fair fight, they bring an AK47 and we'll bring a jet."

[Luke]

The treaty was designed to introduce some kind of interaction other than moaning and death between the parties involved. But you seriously can't tell me the treaty means an absolute cease fire between cops and FLA. You essentially gave them immunity if they are inside of Angel Pine with this agreement.

So if I have a flashing blue name tag above my head and I drive a black and white car with a siren that makes the same noise of a cat being slung around a few times, I instead of doing my job should let a extremist organisation enter my boundries of a patrol, tell me what to do and then fire upon my cruiser while being caught in the action of a illegal doing I am to fuck off from any means necessary and continue in my car and let that happen. The thing I just decribed was me as a police man and guess what policemen do? SERVE AND PROTECT.

Sorry but I'd rather kick back and play CSGO and find something else to do because this is the same senario we always end up in Law Enforcement are always in the wrong constantly and the other parties are correct. Sorry but I think we are getting sick of this constant bombardment the Law Enforcment Angencies incounter.

[Devin]

Ye man it's horrific, we agreed to a treaty that gave them immunity inside Angel Pine. And Teddy and Leon ones that initiated the treaty process themselves. I don't know what the hell is on their mind for trying to make peace and end the shitstorms, but you need to get them in order as their boss. I find it very outrageous to have a developer and a manager try to maintain peace in the community between two parties at this time especially when the server turned into an unique roleplay of warfare (war simulation!), and that unique opportunity should be used and the government of Argonath should deploy special operation units and airstrikes against the militia in Flint County.

I am going to assume you can't comprehend my post based on your response. You the police force agreed to those terms, why blame others?

[.Matthew.]

I was never for that treaty in first place, but hey, it's Teddy and Leon who initiated with the goal of ceasing shitstorms, so why should I go and argue against it? I am also for ceasing down the shitstorms and TDM, so going against an idea that has a goal of ceasing shiststorm would be ironical.

[Arslan]

I am going to assume you can't comprehend my post based on your response. You the police force agreed to those terms, why blame others?

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough before but we did not agree on what you think we agreed upon. And I don't think it'd make sense for you to assume we agreed upon that either since we didn't give anyone immunity. All these points were discussed in detail and main sketch of whats going on was posted here. It was job of all the representatives to make sure everything that is discussed to be enforced.