Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[FARQ3X]

Easily, if there was some militia in United States of America that started rebelling using explosives and assault rifles, Obama wouldn't watch them grow and murder cops who wear glock 22 and AR-15 but would send in military and special forces to bring order. They come in with armored vehicles, advanced technology (surveillance, weaponry) and would easily overwhelm the militia in matter of days. Because real life is not fair and people driving pickup trucks with mounted machine guns on it can't stand an armored MRAP, humvee or an M1A2 tank, or a simple javelin.

Players tried to do so but a group like that requires ridiculous activity, resources and constant admin watch. a State organized one? Mayhem, crying, complaining as admins would be the only ones able to use it without wasting time at this.

[TiMoN]

No, I been wanting somebody to establish a proper realistic response to the militia, but since nobody beside Gandalf can do it I just lost hope in it and went on for closing it.

I took that situation as a prime example in some other topic about FLA and showed them the other video where FBI was negotiating with the same militia people.
There were no unrealistic demands like "GET OBAMA HERE TO SIGN ME INDEPENDNECE", but a realistic conversation with realistic expectations.
And yes, the militia also didn't wear AK47 in front of the Agents and didn't aim RPG at them for coming there.

You're right, I don't see any FBI member in a hunter or Hydra, real life looks good.

[.Matthew.]

Hunter and hydra are the results of RPG, grenade and other explosive weapons that FLA easily used.
Remember how many times I tried talking with Mikal, spent 30 minutes wasting my time just so you can all at the end fire at will.

You didn't see the militia mentioned in the video go around and shoot the area up.

[FARQ3X]

Hunter and hydra are the results of RPG, grenade and other explosive weapons that FLA easily used.
Remember how many times I tried talking with Mikal, spent 30 minutes wasting my time just so you can all at the end fire at will.

You didn't see the militia mentioned in the video go around and shoot the area up.

As far as I see from the attitude of FBINators from FbiNet RPGs are the only way to overlap all of SAPD and FBI vs a small group of men.

[Teddy]

I will be reviewing this case and determining which group, if not both, get penalized.

[Teddy]

I need someone with FLA who was present to contact me on Skype.

[Teddy]

After discussing with both sides we've (myself and Leon) have reached the following conclusion:

- Both parties had screwed up; with support and agreement from multiple people in attendance on both sides.

SAPD:

- The treaty does not prohibit FLA from leaving their temporary safe haven and does not prohibit them from criminal activity outside of said safe area.

FLA:

- The treaty was not intended to allow you to engage police and escape. The intent of the treaty was to stop the moaning that occurred by reducing the number of engagements with law. Now that you have your temporary safe haven; it would be most logical for you to attempt to avoid risking law enforcement encounters.

How the situation should've turned out:

- Once FLA retreated to AP; SAPD/FBI shouldn't have breached the cities territory and engage with FLA. Per agreement, negotiation channels should've been opened up.

HQ is imposing the following HQ enforced additions to the agreement:

- FLA is not to actively conducts acts of war against the State of Argonath, including but not limited to: actively seeking to confront authorities, passively committing crimes, and/or intent to cause harm against the citizens of Argonath. You have a temporary safe haven, realistically and logically you'd do what is needed to keep that maintained. This does not mean you cannot commit crimes entirely; but should be cautious about instigating police involvement.

- People who are in multiple groups must choose between FLA and their other groups. You either represent the FLA, or you don't. It's not 'optional' to switch in order to circumvent this treaty. I understand this is troubling but we cannot have people using such an excuse to misuse the agreement; as has been already witnessed. It isn't exactly a far fetched concept either so, I'm fine in supporting it.

Punishments

- At this point HQ isn't going to issue any punishments; the next transgression and our hand will be forced. Groups can be closed, people can be banned, people in SAPD/FBI can be removed, whatever HQ needs to do. The community is at stake.

None of this is negotiable or debatable. The findings, conclusions, and imposing are final by HQ

[Teddy]

I will now unlock this topic and I will ask those not involved do not interfere. Those comments will be removed.

[Salmonella]

Alright, pretty loud and clear.

- People who are in multiple groups must choose between FLA and their other groups. You either represent the FLA, or you don't. It's not 'optional' to switch in order to circumvent this treaty. I understand this is troubling but we cannot have people using such an excuse to misuse the agreement; as has been already witnessed. It isn't exactly a far fetched concept either so, I'm fine in supporting it.

This does raise a few questionmarks, though. What exactly do you mean by having to choose?

[Teddy]

This does raise a few questionmarks, though. What exactly do you mean by having to choose?

A person with /groups FLA cannot be like 'Oh I wasn't acting as FLA, I was acting as x group'

[Mikal]

TBH most of the people in FLA are from pretty dead/inactive groups (as most are these days) and spend most of their time being FLA.

[Vaeldious]

Regardless, unless you are GhostRanked, you are representing ALL those groups simultaneously in all of your actions. Would you ever see a player part of both GSF and NBA?

[Teddy]

Would you ever see a player part of both GSF and NBA?

That would be hilarious

[TiMoN]

Can FLA still patrol the streets of FC and pull over violators as well as hand out fines or punishments?

[Conk]

Can FLA still patrol the streets of FC and pull over violators as well as hand out fines or punishments?

Why not?