UK EU Referendum

[Mikal]

It's kind of sad that so many other EU countries want their own referendum but simply won't be given one because their leaders are too cozy with the establishment.

Kaze, you do realise it's taken Switzerland decades to get where they are now?

Do you realise we were 'further' than Switzerland is now even before we joined the EU?

Mikal, it was a joke. But if you want to take that stance then yep, it was a response to you calling people who vote "remain" spineless.

I do see voting remain as spineless though, I'm not insulting you directly, it's just how I see it, you're going against democracy, siding with politicians and the rich who only want what benefits them, and whilst I'm at it, with the amount of lies Cameron has been spurting out during this campaign he should resign wether it's a Leave or Remain vote.

[Everett]

Gotta love the politics talk. Bunch of people talking about shit they know very little about.

[Julio.]

It's not just David Cameron, the major parties stand united in their support for remaining in the EU. With the exception of UKIP obviously.

The EU, for all its faults (I admit it has many), has been successful in fielding a largely united Europe. Look at the state of the world at the time of its founding, in my opinion it has helped maintain peace (for the most part) in Europe.

Approximately 93% of British law is self governed, and the NHs is unrelated to Europe. The Brexit campaigners would have you believe that voting remain will be the death toll for the NHS... Simply not true.

The net outgoings have been grossly over-estimated by Brexit campaigners, further scaremongering, as they haven't taken into account the economic relief we get back.

As a percentage of GDP we contribute no more to the EU than many other countries. It's estimated that an EU exit will negatively impact the UK economy by 20-40 billion GBP.

The EU were the main driving force behind the border patrol being at Calais and not the UK, so that's undoubtedly another expense we would take on.

The value of the GBP is expected to fall if we exit, further driving up costs. Not to mention the fact we would become international trade partners, and therefore import duties would be raised, making your weekly shop more expensive. Potentially driving people on the poverty line further underneath. Even pro-Brexit campaigners recognise that for at least a couple of years the economy will be negatively impacted... some families simply would not survive that.

We can't assume we'll get trade partnerships, leaving is like jumping off a diving board without knowing whether somebody filled the swimming pool with water.

House prices may go down, granted, but mortgage interest rates will increase for sure, negating the point of the property value dropping. Again, some families cannot afford this.

[Mikal]

It's not just David Cameron, the major parties stand united in their support for remaining in the EU. With the exception of UKIP obviously.

Oh yes, and the leader of one major party opposed the EU before he took control of Labour.

The EU, for all its faults (I admit it has many), has been successful in fielding a largely united Europe. Look at the state of the world at the time of its founding, in my opinion it has helped maintain peace (for the most part) in Europe.

And a united Europe is going so well isn't it...

I saw that argument today on the 'Great debate' - The EU is keeping European countries from killing eachother! Well no, that ended after WW2, and NATO keeps the peace just fine, along with the globalized economy ofc.

Approximately 93% of British law is self governed, and the NHs is unrelated to Europe. The Brexit campaigners would have you believe that voting remain will be the death toll for the NHS... Simply not true.

How is the NHS unrelated to Europe when the entire EU population can just come here, use the NHS and then leave as they please without contributing anything to the UK? Ofc voting remain won't mean the death of the NHS, it'll just mean higher taxes in the future to cover the expenses of increase NHS use by people who are not even British, and obviously more waiting times.

The net outgoings have been grossly over-estimated by Brexit campaigners, further scaremongering, as they haven't taken into account the economic relief we get back.

Both sides have done plenty of scaremongering, don't just bring it to Vote Leave, for example George Osbourne's disgusting threat of "If you vote to leave, we WILL higher taxes!" despite the fact they wouldn't need to because as I've said before, the UK would keep it's trade agreement with the EU, the EU does not want to lose trade with one of Europes biggest populations, that would be such a huge blow to their economy.

As a percentage of GDP we contribute no more to the EU than many other countries. It's estimated that an EU exit will negatively impact the UK economy by 20-40 billion GBP.

Right, because the billions and billions we pay into the EU only for a percentage in return once all trade and such has been calculated in will be such a devastating blow to our economy, oh hang on, maybe we can use that money at home in the UK, have lower house prices and less strain on both the NHS and other public services, saving us more money in the long run, that'd be good aye?

Not to mention we also remove the risk of the UK having to bail out failing EU economies, again.

The EU were the main driving force behind the border patrol being at Calais and not the UK, so that's undoubtedly another expense we would take on.

France has their own border force on our side, so that is in both sides best interests and as with the trade agreement, would stay in place, since both sides benefit from it greatly, despite what the politicians in France say in their best efforts to scare the British public.

The value of the GBP is expected to fall if we exit, further driving up costs. Not to mention the fact we would become international trade partners, and therefore import duties would be raised, making your weekly shop more expensive. Potentially driving people on the poverty line further underneath. Even pro-Brexit campaigners recognise that for at least a couple of years the economy will be negatively impacted... some families simply would not survive that.

Except the trade agreements with the EU would remain, as I have said, the EU wouldn't want to lose trade with 65,000,000, are you not aware that Switzerland is not an EU member but has a trade deal with the EU? Why would it be any different for a country the size of the UK? Again, this is all scaremongering by the Remain campaign and their buddies across the English Channel.

We can't assume we'll get trade partnerships, leaving is like jumping off a diving board without knowing whether somebody filled the swimming pool with water.

Except we can, because, Switzerland, and, 65million people.

House prices may go down, granted, but mortgage interest rates will increase for sure, negating the point of the property value dropping. Again, some families cannot afford this.

Is that one of George Osbourne's threats too?

[taseen11]

I'd vote in if I could
https://www.facebook.com/DavidCameronOfficial/videos/1215445095146473/?pnref=story

[Julio.]

See. Most of the "Leave" arguments are based on assuming all the negatives will never happen, and that the EU will trade with us like nothing happened.

We pay ~6.5 billion GBP a year to the EU including rebates and such. Not 18 billion as Brexit campaigners would have you believe.

Let's not assume trade agreements will come into place, there's not going to be much good feeling about for Britain in the EU if we leave... they'll make us sweat a bit first before even deciding anything, that's a certainty.

[Mikal]

See. Most of the "Leave" arguments are based on assuming all the negatives will never happen, and that the EU will trade with us like nothing happened.

We pay ~6.5 billion GBP a year to the EU including rebates and such. Not 18 billion as Brexit campaigners would have you believe.

Let's not assume trade agreements will come into place, there's not going to be much good feeling about for Britain in the EU if we leave... they'll make us sweat a bit first before even deciding anything, that's a certainty.

Even if we do vote to leave all trade agreements and such will stay in place for years until negotiations are complete, that gives us years to negotiate, and the EU isn't going to fuck us around for that long, that'd ruin their already fucked reputation and screw with stock markets and economies even more than this referendum is.

It was said on BBC News today that negotiations would at the very least take 4 years.

[Klaus]

I'm out.

[Petarda]

[Norrage]

One thing is sure, we will all be looking at the UK tomorrow. From Norway to Greece, you dominate the news. All I can say is; make the right decision, and maybe your Brexit may lead to more referenda across Europe .

[Batta]

Simply put Leave supporters want to leave problems behind them, choosing the easiest way.
The real option here is Remain and put effort into changing what Europe is becoming.

Leaving would be a defeat for the whole UK people and what you would deserve to be proven wrong is decay.

[Stivi]

Don't you all want to travel?

[Johan_S]

Don't you all want to travel?

They can travel, even if UK leaves. According to their experts nothing changes in terms of tourism or even immigration.

[Mikal]

Simply put Leave supporters want to leave problems behind them, choosing the easiest way.
The real option here is Remain and put effort into changing what Europe is becoming.

Leaving would be a defeat for the whole UK people and what you would deserve to be proven wrong is decay.

Our own PM could not negotiate a better position for the UK in the EU, he completely failed at it, ontop of that he refuses to answer the question as to wether he would veto Turkey trying to enter the EU and so it's safe to assume he simply would not, and the last thing we need is free movement with Turkey, the EU is ran by unelected career politicians who only see money, they simply do not care about the UK and will never care about the UK, it's the same for David Cameron, the EU was made by the rich, for the rich.

It was meant to be a trade union, they turned it political and now look at this mess. Ask yourself this question:
If the UK was outside the EU now and had the chance to join, would you join, or would you stay out? The answer to that is obvious.

Don't you all want to travel?

Pretty sure we traveled before the EU...

[Julio.]

1945 - 1959: The European Union is set up with the aim of ending the frequent and bloody wars between neighbours, which culminated in the Second World War.

Our own PM could not negotiate a better position for the UK in the EU, he completely failed at it, ontop of that he refuses to answer the question as to wether he would veto Turkey trying to enter the EU and so it's safe to assume he simply would not, and the last thing we need is free movement with Turkey, the EU is ran by unelected career politicians who only see money, they simply do not care about the UK and will never care about the UK, it's the same for David Cameron, the EU was made by the rich, for the rich.

At least David Cameron is standing up for what he believes in. Boris Johnson on the other hand previous was a prime supporter of Turkey joining the EU. He sure made a U turn on that pretty quickly... The only thing Boris Johnson is standing for is himself... if we do leave the EU, the main well known Conservative politician will be guess who... Boris Johnson. He's got his eyes on the Prime Minister position. Nothing more, nothing less.