UK EU Referendum

[Cofiliano]

You think at a time when the EU is struggling and has quite a few anti-Russian countries within it along with Ukraine trying to join, they are going to decide to strengthen ties with Russia? Yeah right.

You obviously don't interest yourself with much geopolitical subjects, outside of the UK box of view. Just listen to what Nigel Farage was saying in the EU parliament about Russia. And he doesn't really give much fucks about it as a UK nationalist. Listen to Poland, Hungary, Czech, Greece, Slovakia, presidents and prime ministers. Listen to Italy, France, and Germany flirting when it comes to economy, and many many more.

Its a process that's been going on already, yet it was stopped by the proxy revolution in Ukraine.

 

Well thankfully the UK will soon be able to trade with whoever the fuck we want without having to run it through the EU first, I guess we'll recover in no time if what you say is true, though the last time I checked, our biggest export to Russia was milk, which was stopped due to the UK/EU sanctioning Russia and Russia sanctioning the UK/EU in retaliation, I see what you mean about strengthening ties...

We were talking about EU and Russia, not UK.
Recover in no time? Pound just lost its value, and hit the record minimum that last time happened in 30-35 years.

I'm not being naive, I'm seeing the bigger picture, The EU needs UK trade, the UK needs EU trade, how can economies recover if the biggest thing they depend on, trade, is cut off?

They wont cut it, but it wont work out smooth as it was till now. EU(Germany) wont be so soft on UK as much as you think, mainly because if they allow UK to use all the benefits of a completely free market like it did till now, its just gonna push other countries of the EU to do the same as UK(because if they can keep the united free market while leaving EU, they gonna do it, its really the only thing keeping all of them together).

You know Cofi, I've always been curious, why does someone who isn't from Russia, non-stop talk about Russia? It's like me being patriotic about the USA...

Because young people here who are from the West like you, are mostly not interested in these subjects, and the ones who are, don't really have much deep information and knowledge on what's happening, except what they briefly see/read on mainstream medias in the West.
And the creation of bipolar world that's happening again, is directly connected to Russia(among others China, India, Latin America, but at the moment its the 'conflict of interests' with Russia, hence the crisis in Ukraine, the intervention in Syria, etc).

Cameroon mentioned that if someone is happy about this, its Putin and Russia, I'm guessing I'm not the only one talking about it, yet the bloody Prime Minister.

And also, I'm a anti-globalist  kinda guy,  and a anti-'brutal corporate capitalism' kinda guy, so I always like when any country in the world shows resistance to those IMF, World Bank, Wall Street, rulers of the World.( Like Latin American countries, BRICS countries, Island, recently Hungary, etc, but at the moment its Russia in a global offensive of conquering interest spheres against them)

Also, you're Welsh, yet you're more patriotic about UK then Wales. 

As of my opinion GG English and Welsh

[Mikal]

Recover in no time? Pound just lost its value, and hit the record minimum that last time happened in 30-35 years.They wont cut it, but it wont work out smooth as it was till now. EU(Germany) wont be so soft on UK as much as you think, mainly because if they allow UK to use all the benefits of a completely free market like it did till now, its just gonna push other countries of the EU to do the same as UK(because if they can keep the united free market while leaving EU, they gonna do it, its really the only thing keeping all of them together).

So, 35 years ago it was as low as it is now, and look where it was before now, sure we can get back there in no time.
I see what you mean, but they either give us the 'trade union' that we joined for in the first place, or they damage their own economy in the long run, besides that referendums in other countries of the EU are just inevitable wether they successfully negotiate with us or not.

Cameroon mentioned that if someone is happy about this, its Putin and Russia, I'm guessing I'm not the only one talking about it, yet the bloody Prime Minister.

If his opinion mattered so much we'd have woken up to a Remain vote today.

Also, you're Welsh, yet you're more patriotic about UK then Wales. 

Why wouldn't I be more patriotic about the UK? My family/ancestors come from every corner of it, and without it, Wales would just be a tiny insignificant country struggling to survive.

[Cofiliano]

So, 35 years ago it was as low as it is now, and look where it was before now, sure we can get back there in no time.
I see what you mean, but they either give us the 'trade union' that we joined for in the first place, or they damage their own economy in the long run, besides that referendums in other countries of the EU are just inevitable wether they successfully negotiate with us or not.

Yeah but it goes via verse as well, if you don't make a trade union, your gonna damage your own economy. I mean EU might have other closeby market to look out for in worse scenario, for UK its Common Wealth countries, and because those countries aren't just accross the channel like EU, it would raise the costs of trading in UK.
Point is, you got a nice negotiating status, but EU has at least the same negotiating advantages, hence it wont be so smooth to just "give you all you want like nothing happen".

If his opinion mattered so much we'd have woken up to a Remain vote today.

It doesn't matter because he's Cameroon, it matters because he's the Prime Minister of UK.
His word and opinion always has a deep foundation, because he's one of the most informed persons in the world really.

Why wouldn't I be more patriotic about the UK? My family/ancestors come from every corner of it, and without it, Wales would just be a tiny insignificant country struggling to survive.

No idea why wouldn't you. No one told you to be, its your thing. But between Wales being a independent country of its own like few proud Wales guys I've met wants to, and being part of the UK, you're utter pro-UK guy.

Me on the other hand, no matter how much I like Russia, would fuck their nannies out, if they tried to push Serbia into some Slav-Russian-Orthodox country, or occupation.


Here's a few questions for you, I really wanna hear your opinion;

Will the referendum in Scotland gonna happen(in the next 2-3 years), and if it happens, will Scotland leave UK this time?
If that happens, will North Ireland do the same, and perhaps unite with Ireland?

[Jellyfish]

I don't know about everyone else but I'm quite liking the design of the new commemorative pound coin

[Mikal]

Will the referendum in Scotland gonna happen(in the next 2-3 years), and if it happens, will Scotland leave UK this time?

I guess that depends on wether Cameron's replacement wants to grant them another independence referendum, you have to bare in mind that Scotland was warned about being pulled out of the EU with the rest of the UK if they voted to remain part of the UK, and they did just that, why would they need another indy ref so soon? Especially with all this chaos going on now... Atleast let things calm down first.

If that happens, will North Ireland do the same, and perhaps unite with Ireland?

N.Ireland is full of loyalists who in my eyes would likely go fucking nuts if such a referendum was even debated.

I think everyone needs to calm the hell down until negotiations are done, how can the SNP and such be demanding a referendum because they want to remain part of the EU so soon before they even know what negotiations will bring? Do they really want to split the UK only to join the EU which is already weaker itself without the UK being a member and will likely be spammed by EU referendums in the coming years?

[Stivi]

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[AK47]

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[Johan_S]

Gotta love the politics talk. Bunch of people talking about shit they know very little about.

Definitely must recall this.

[Stivi]

"I want out of the EU refeyendum! Because I don't have to watch Euros next year, 'cause England won't be in it."

[Cofiliano]

its funny because EURO ain't played every year stivi

[Teddy]

So, 35 years ago it was as low as it is now, and look where it was before now, sure we can get back there in no time.
I see what you mean, but they either give us the 'trade union' that we joined for in the first place, or they damage their own economy in the long run, besides that referendums in other countries of the EU are just inevitable wether they successfully negotiate with us or not.

You clearly don't understand economics. It will take years, possibly decades, at least one recession possibly even a depression, interest rates at the bank slashed, and some serious reforms to even start the path to recovery. You lost billions. Not just a few, over one hundred billion.

The smart thing to do would've been to create a plan for Brexit, determine exactly what measures would be taken and most of all re-assure the investors... the one's who made the world spin, that everything is going to be okay. Show them that Britain is going to still be Britain and produce the same goods as before. Not this. As a hobbyist investor myself, I can understand why there is uncertainty, even doubt, and Davids' resignation is even more troubling to an investor.

The EU is flawed and in today's era absolutely useless. When it was created, sure there was a purpose and a need however such need has diminished. The rest of the EU needs to actually develop a plan now to dissolve the EU gracefully without causing mass panic with the markets.

FYI: I am affected as well because yesterday because of your choice, one of my stocks in the NYSE dropped 16.68%. Thanks Brits. Thanks a lot.

P.S: Nigel Farage is a fucking tool. Just saying.

[Mikal]

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how true is this lmao

TBH I felt the same after seeing we actually left the EU, I really didn't expect it and it did hit home hard, but I still believe it is the best thing for the future of the UK.

You clearly don't understand economics. It will take years, possibly decades, at least one recession possibly even a depression, interest rates at the bank slashed, and some serious reforms to even start the path to recovery. You lost billions. Not just a few, over one hundred billion.

The smart thing to do would've been to create a plan for Brexit, determine exactly what measures would be taken and most of all re-assure the investors... the one's who made the world spin, that everything is going to be okay. Show them that Britain is going to still be Britain and produce the same goods as before. Not this. As a hobbyist investor myself, I can understand why there is uncertainty, even doubt, and Davids' resignation is even more troubling to an investor.

The EU is flawed and in today's era absolutely useless. When it was created, sure there was a purpose and a need however such need has diminished. The rest of the EU needs to actually develop a plan now to dissolve the EU gracefully without causing mass panic with the markets.

FYI: I am affected as well because yesterday because of your choice, one of my stocks in the NYSE dropped 16.68%. Thanks Brits. Thanks a lot.

P.S: Nigel Farage is a fucking tool. Just saying.

I don't understand economics you're right, and I never said it'd be a quick back to normal job.

It is not our fault that our government did not create a Brexit plan, our own Prime Minister was so adamant that he'd win with a Remain vote that he didn't bother planning ahead, it's either that or he just doesn't care as he told some of his personal staff "Why should I do all the hard shit?" in regards to negotiating with the EU after our exit, you are right though, the UK needs to stop pointing fingers everywhere and debating unrelated crap such as a Scottish indy referendum and reassure the world, investors, business, Europe that we are still the same strong UK, right now though it doesn't look like the country knows what the fuck it's doing.

[Sweeper]

FYI: I am affected as well because yesterday because of your choice, one of my stocks in the NYSE dropped 16.68%. Thanks Brits. Thanks a lot.

You don't understand economics either. I'm an investor and anticipated this, no problems for me.

[Teddy]

It is not our fault that our government did not create a Brexit plan, our own Prime Minister was so adamant that he'd win with a Remain vote that he didn't bother planning ahead, it's either that or he just doesn't care as he told some of his personal staff "Why should I do all the hard shit?" in regards to negotiating with the EU after our exit, you are right though, the UK needs to stop pointing fingers everywhere and debating unrelated crap such as a Scottish indy referendum and reassure the world, investors, business, Europe that we are still the same strong UK, right now though it doesn't look like the country knows what the fuck it's doing.

While it may not be your fault, when voting you should've taken into account the warnings the economist warned about. Something a lot of people brushed off as fear mongering was actually legitimate insight and it's effects were immediate around the world. Not a single stock market in this world didn't take a hit after the news. No shit either... even in illegal black markets in Africa which fund offshore pirates took a hit. The entire system is so delicate that you change one thing and shit just falls apart.

In all honesty this vote shouldn't have been made by the people. The people don't understand the immediate consequences, the short term consequences, and most importantly the long term consequences that affect the generation to come. I understand democracy is about the voice of the people but that is exercised in proxy by the people they elect. If the people whom they elect aren't fulfilling their voices then replace them. That's how it works. Not polling a bunch of uneducated people to make a choice that could effectively mean the end of the UK as we know it... and yes, some experts have said this could destroy the UK as we know it. I am not knowledgeable enough to say any different or agree though so I am not sure how valid those statements are; but they have been made.

If David wanted to resign after the realization he fucked up, he should've waited to announce it. His entire speech was shit. He made half it of it about himself. The world was watching. The world doesn't give a shit what you accomplished. The world wants to know that everything is going to be fine. He should've made it 99% about the current state of things, the economy, and the plan to protect the economy.

I do feel bad for you I must say. Your taxes are already high and they will likely need an increase in any logical restoration moving forward. As a result of the last two day's of reactions, the economy is already smaller and your government already has a deficit budget; the lost value will need to be made up for and that is usually done in the form of taxes.

[Teddy]

You don't understand economics either. I'm an investor and anticipated this, no problems for me.

I never said it was a problem. I purchased more at the lower price.

The US Market won't be affected for long so it'll recover and that's profit. Trust me, I understand economics enough to understand the problem and what went wrong. In fact, The value of the pound actually went up in anticipation of the referendum vote because most investors thought remain would succeed.