SAPD robots

[Petarda]

So the main issue here is that we are lacking of real "gta roleplay". It's not that kind of thread when we complain about community being shit, it's something else, try to read it please.

Let's say there's a freecop named Bob. Bob has all his police mods installed and he's ready to enforce the law  . But what is Bob told to do? Bob has to learn all the ten codes, he has to give himself a cool name on /r such as Alpha 13 and he is ready to become SAPD robot. For fuck sake guys it's GTA, you are supposed to be "harassing" criminals, go approach them, talk to them in the "cop humor" way.

So you are a Bob and you know that some Italian guy was kidnapping people? You know that the black guy in Idlewood is dealing weed? Yeah you know that but you don't have proofs, so why don't you just go over there and check it yourself, talk to a guy, there's no law that is stopping you from doing that, look around the black guy's area, I'm sure he will interact with you too. He probably won't give you the weed or admit that he kidnapped someone but at least you interacted, didn't you? But yeah, did the dark blue guy with clan tag infront of his name tell you to continue your patrol as Phoenix 21 and don't give a fuck about anything else? Well, Bob, you are actually better than him, really, all that guy knows is couple of ten codes and to professionally drive a PD cruiser while you can bring roleplay to this server.

The point is to stop creating robots out of those poor guys but instead to encourage them to roleplay with the "bad guys".

I don't really get it, you just saw a guy getting kidnapped but apparently the kidnappers left once you arrived, so yeah it's time to
Bob(14): GAMMA 13: 10-49 10-15 10-230 10 -23-21-32-13 -219321932131 
instead of checking out that guy, not just pulling him over and letting him go, try to approach him few times, make sure he won't do anything bad after that, it won't hurt you really.

I'm not sure if anyone would understand what I'm saying so here's a very honest TLDR: SAPD turned into dull shit that turns freecops into robots that can't interact with potential criminals nor do anything else except to write police codes and pull over fast drivers.

We are seriously lacking of real cops

[Whiteman]

WTF is this? I'd suggest the opposite to this, don't be a superman (robocop) and jump into situations alone. Learn the codes, learn the protocols, act and roleplay like a professional. I do not advice you to approach Inglewood alone.  We are trying to get rid of the old "shoot the orange blips" I do not understand what I just read here, perhaps I'm too tried, but yeah.

Some of the SAPD members and deifinitely FBI have been approaching us and showing quality roleplay, investigating and keeping it all IC.

you are supposed to be "harassing" criminals

Communicating with the locals is essential and will help to develop roleplay for sure. I would like to see more traffic stops to catch speeders and reckless drivers though as the current traffic environment is just awful.

Perhaps create more police checkpoints (and speedtraps), check for wanted/notorious criminals. Use your indicator device to determine if the driver has been drinking or is under the influence of drugs. Check for weapons/drugs.

[Leonardo]

I am an avid user of the ten codes, i speak effect phrases and i still do appreciate a lot to roleplay with criminals. Had a great turnout today with some 424 folks, as we approached them due to an outer situation. Of course, you and me know there are exceptions, and these are on the criminal side also, and we all know who they are.

[Dutch_Hunter]

most freecops are getting shit on very much. like come on if you tail a guy for a while you don't have to call it in or something unti you pull him over also i see free cops driving arround with /carsign (ID)-Robber-(id) like wtf. they should be learned the basic stuff and roleplay but not heavy roleplay

[TrotlDebilni]

Once cops couldn't return any longer they do not approach situations alone, which in most cases means they don't approach anything at all and than complain about a lack of roleplay. It should be encouraged that cops talk to civilians and even if that civilian is a criminal. Just talking shouldn't turn into a shootout.

I wish people didn't constantly buy and carry guns. A cop came into your turf? Don't fucking execute him, if you want to rough him up get a bat.

I am an avid user of the ten codes, i speak effect phrases and i still do appreciate a lot to roleplay with criminals. Had a great turnout today with some 424 folks, as we approached them due to an outer situation. Of course, you and me know there are exceptions, and these are on the criminal side also, and we all know who they are.

The thing is people are willing to roleplay with the FBI, because they have this made up glorification about how much of a roleplayer you need to be to get into the FBI. Nobody respects a freecop, (although some times for good reason: http://i.imgur.com/TZW7XKW.png ) but that mentality should change.

I roleplay a criminal and I absolutely love to RP with cops, it might be because I know I'm terrible at shooting so I never have guns and am not terrified of a shootout starting. I think cops should interact with criminals more, yes. Although speaking in 10 codes doesn't mean you are a bloody robot.

[Norrage]

I wish people didn't constantly buy and carry guns. A cop came into your turf? Don't fucking execute him, if you want to rough him up get a bat.

And that is te exact reason there is not much roleplay on those turfs. Enter the area (alone), and get shot. Sad but true.

[.Matthew.]

Exactly why cops assume everyone is a threat nowadays.

I mean, just watch this video:


I agree with every single word the cop says, nobody even bothers stopping nowadays, pulling aside when they hear sirens, people randomly aiding each other, ramming cops, complete chaos, non-RP actions and copbait all the time.
People are so greedy they won't pay 10$ for the tolls, money is eating this server, that's why this realistic economy is not needed, it's just making it worse, makes the greed more aggressive.
As I said many times in past, traffic crimes should be punished much harsher, I mean 250$ max for the ticket is damn horrific. Hideous. It should be max at least 5,000$. And no, it's not gonna motivate people to evade more, you know why? because they already evade more with the 250$ because it boosts their notoriety up! notoriety script is mere copbait with the way it works now. Notoriety should be increased by committing crimes away from cops, not by getting /su'd.

[TiMoN]

it sucks when you're in 2016 and still learning the ten codes, most police departments don't even use them anymore

The whole "criminal group members can't go on police duty" is even more retarded and disgusting.

[Fuzzy]

The whole "criminal group members can't go on police duty" is even more retarded and disgusting.

and the 'sapd members can't commit crimes off duty'

[TiMoN]

and the 'sapd members can't commit crimes off duty'

ikr? this whole community is starting to appear like a tryhard version of a server one must not say its name

[Mikro]

No need to shout generalizations and provocations around. Let's not escalate this topic too.

[TiMoN]

Exactly why cops assume everyone is a threat nowadays.

I mean, just watch this video:


I agree with every single word the cop says, nobody even bothers stopping nowadays, pulling aside when they hear sirens, people randomly aiding each other, ramming cops, complete chaos, non-RP actions and copbait all the time.
People are so greedy they won't pay 10$ for the tolls, money is eating this server, that's why this realistic economy is not needed, it's just making it worse, makes the greed more aggressive.
As I said many times in past, traffic crimes should be punished much harsher, I mean 250$ max for the ticket is damn horrific. Hideous. It should be max at least 5,000$. And no, it's not gonna motivate people to evade more, you know why? because they already evade more with the 250$ because it boosts their notoriety up! notoriety script is mere copbait with the way it works now. Notoriety should be increased by committing crimes away from cops, not by getting /su'd.

"gee man, i wonder why nobody plays here nowadays? it's a great server"

[Julio.]

We're not all robots, indeed, I've never issued a scripted ticket/citation. I also prefer not to use 10 codes and such as it's counter-productive if you have less experienced officers around who don't know what they are. For example, If I say "Code 4 Idlewood," people who do not know their police codes would think I was asking them to come to Idlewood, when in fact I'm saying I don't need any further assistance!

The county departments seemed to be better at the "human" policing side. I feel that at the moment, officers are encouraged to be a "trained cop," whereas I would argue it is 10 times more important to know how to RP effectively first.

Performing a traffic stop and acting as if you're on a script is boring for the person stopped in most cases. If I am ever stopped I try to purposely break the officer out of the "script" and do some outrageous roleplay. If surrendering I do not /gu, I use /hail 1. Incidentally, sometimes after I use /hail to surrender, I get a PM or something like that, telling me to /gu instead. Again, the officer is totally missing the point of what /gu is for. They're following a script: "Suspect the criminal, get them to /gu, /cuff them, /jail them." We should instead promote: "RP with them."

That being said, not all are like that, the FBI as a whole seems to RP well, within the bounds of how you'd expect the FBI to behave, the SAPD have quite a few individuals who will happily RP. Let's not put a blanket judgment on all cops when a lot of them are fine.

[Johan_S]

What Pet wants to point out in my opinion is that: In terms of roleplay cop duty shouldn't meet limits. Cops must penetrate the barriers which are considered 'taboo'. Cops must not be always that 2nd party who wait for criminals to move or do something. We lack corrupt cops crews for example. That's why when Mikal exercised cop duty 5-6 months ago for some days offered best roleplays from ARPD 

[Julio.]

What Pet wants to point out in my opinion is that: In terms of roleplay cop duty shouldn't meet limits. Cops must penetrate the barriers which are considered 'taboo'. Cops must not be always that 2nd party who wait for criminals to move or do something. We lack corrupt cops crews for example. That's why when Mikal exercised cop duty 5-6 months ago for some days offered best roleplays from ARPD 

It's virtually impossible for cops to RP being corrupt, and 100% impossible for the FBI to do so. This is due to factors such as forum posts and messages in /p being taken into account as well as actions ingame.

People use the "We don't officially support IC/OOC" quote to justify this, but yeah, totally ruins a lot of RP.