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What is the definition "quality roleplay"?

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Reply #15 on: July 11, 2016, 03:18:52 pm
It's weird how things changed drastically after retirement of people which had a huge impact on keeping this community alive.

Doesn't seem to have changed a great deal for now mate. With no clear "leader" of SA:MP at the moment I think moving forward we could see some interesting changes in the team/HQ.



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Reply #16 on: July 11, 2016, 03:39:03 pm
Nope bro you cant change the mentality of others, especially the play2win thing. If you make rules, apply them for all, not for certain people whenever they're recording some shit and make you look like you're deathmatching, ofc unless you consider RP going full retard when being surrounded by 5-6 men and pulling a deagle out of your ass and start shooting. If you talk about "quality roleplay" then you should be banning this kind of people. Or yeah doing a couple of /me's (like /me withdraws iphone; /me records) and aiming a gun to someone's head, that's what you call quality roleplay?

It's weird how things changed drastically after retirement of people which had a huge impact on keeping this community alive.

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Reply #17 on: July 11, 2016, 03:41:50 pm
Bunny hopping was always allowed and if you remove that than you'd have to add cj running(wich I think is a very bad idea) because the normal run without bunny hopping is just way too slow..


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Reply #18 on: July 11, 2016, 04:00:27 pm
Bunny hopping was always allowed and if you remove that than you'd have to add cj running(wich I think is a very bad idea) because the normal run without bunny hopping is just way too slow..

On the roleplay matter I do agree with a rule to prevent players from avoiding RP but insta-ban just for a bad RP is just plain stupid because, first we have a lower player base so the new players might not be very good at RP but I bet most of them will improve if they are encouraged by the regulars and because we are in a phase of change and most old players that came back from a period of inactivity such as myself don't even know about this.
Admins owe the players some respect and instant bans isn't the way to go, just makes admins look bad. ( just brushing off their "powers")

What if I told you that admins/moderators love PM as a way of solving problems rather than official punishments?
We take the official actions only when the player is crossing the line in public, fails to accept the mistake and ignores us.
I randomly spectate players, searching for a RP interaction so I could provide suggestions to individuals during the RP via PM.
That's how 99 percent of admin team works. If you were ignorant, you definitely did not experience this approach from the admin team.



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Reply #19 on: July 11, 2016, 04:10:03 pm
That's not really how 99% of admin team works.

Quallity rp is rp made to have fun. Shit rp is rp used as an excuse for something else

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Reply #20 on: July 11, 2016, 04:11:04 pm
If you were ignorant, you definitely did not experience this approach from the admin team.

He's been on the administration team before, long before you. I'm sure he's capable of reaching a conclusion himself.

For those people that haven't experienced a random PM from an admin during RP, surely that's a good thing as they're actually the capable ones... the ones who you shouldn't be referring to as ignorant.



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Reply #21 on: July 11, 2016, 04:33:18 pm
Maybe terms we've been labeling the situations with "shit rp" or "good rp" might cause few confusions where people's come with doubt. With "shit rp" isn't defined the capacity of x player, explained more simple; no one puts in question if the player actually do /me's (/em's and so on) or what level of english knowledge he has. In this prism Argonath rpg always motivated new players and gave much opportunities (I'm one of them and it's not a secret that learned English here).

What admins do really consider poor shit rp is the bad will and the intention a player have to profit or to outsmart/overpower the role play situation he's caught on making it more suitable so abusing it for his personal needs. There are many examples that everyone experienced where certain player oriented their also called roleplay to put a outcome which becomes very repetitive where loses the essence of what is called roleplay.

Shit rp is rp used as an excuse for something else

Basically what Jovanca said.





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Reply #22 on: July 11, 2016, 07:18:27 pm
What if I told you that admins/moderators love PM as a way of solving problems rather than official punishments?
We take the official actions only when the player is crossing the line in public, fails to accept the mistake and ignores us.
I randomly spectate players, searching for a RP interaction so I could provide suggestions to individuals during the RP via PM.
That's how 99 percent of admin team works. If you were ignorant, you definitely did not experience this approach from the admin team.
Listen, I wasn't making any personal attacks and I haven't even been punished by admins.

I gave my personal opinion and it's your responsibility as an administrator to hear it and give yours respectfully.

And I wasn't even gonna mention this but since you were so quick to make it personal - I was an administrator. I was an administrator when it was by levels and not named. Admins was level 3 and I was level 4. I got removed because I went inactive that's all. And I rarely punished players with kick or ban. I used to freeze players and teleport to them to explain what was the problem and how to fix it. Sometimes I even discovered it was a new player and I would help them out.

All I'm saying is why create such a ridge between admins and players?  Why not more friendly admins?  All you have to do is remain unbiased no matter what.



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Reply #23 on: July 11, 2016, 08:52:08 pm
Listen, I wasn't making any personal attacks and I haven't even been punished by admins.

I gave my personal opinion and it's your responsibility as an administrator to hear it and give yours respectfully.

And I wasn't even gonna mention this but since you were so quick to make it personal - I was an administrator. I was an administrator when it was by levels and not named. Admins was level 3 and I was level 4. I got removed because I went inactive that's all. And I rarely punished players with kick or ban. I used to freeze players and teleport to them to explain what was the problem and how to fix it. Sometimes I even discovered it was a new player and I would help them out.

All I'm saying is why create such a ridge between admins and players?  Why not more friendly admins?  All you have to do is remain unbiased no matter what.

I was just pointing out why your view is not so backed up with evidence.
I never seen an admin punishing a player when a mistake is made for the first time. We tend to speak with them and explain them the mistake they are making. If they continue doing the same mistake, that's when we punish them.

Talking about RolePlay, all I can say that good RP should be encouraged by admins and veterans. New players may act a superman while being robbed, but if you punish them for avoiding RP, they will find other ways to avoid them, because you did not explain him the point of being on Argonath. 'This is bad RP' = Player's response: "ok ok sry" = no change.



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Reply #24 on: July 11, 2016, 09:12:04 pm
He's been on the administration team before, long before you. I'm sure he's capable of reaching a conclusion himself.

For those people that haven't experienced a random PM from an admin during RP, surely that's a good thing as they're actually the capable ones... the ones who you shouldn't be referring to as ignorant.
Oh my God.
Ignorant = ignoring suggestions when RPing wrongly.
Capable ones are not being PMed, uncapable ones are. If the uncapable ones ignore the suggestions, they get a different approach.
That's the point, my friend.



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Reply #25 on: July 11, 2016, 09:16:47 pm
Its when everyone gets to the stage/age when they realise that whatever the outcome of a RP, good or bad, people realise its just a game and it shouldn't be something which effects your mood i.e. make you angry because lets face it most of the bans are due to people raging after getting the short end of the stick after a certail roleplay e.g. cops killing criminals or vice versa.

This will obviously be hard for the younger players to understand but I am talking from experience as a few years back when I was active I got banned mainly because I got mad from a RP that didn't go the way I expected which led me to do things which gave me an advantage e.g. using aimbot, when everyone realises that its only a game, then their mental mood will be straight in game and everyone will have fun = less bans = more players = more activity = more fun in Argonath RPG :) lets enjoy life people and enjoy Argonath because its a great community to be a part of!

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Reply #26 on: July 11, 2016, 10:03:45 pm
We're so worried to make "quality roleplay" (gotta love all these definitions about quality rp, pls post more) that we forgot it's about having fun and distract a little bit from real life. It became a pain in the ass for every player to play, you are constantly observed and judged on how some damn chat lines are written. With this i don't want to defend those who shoot on sight or after they write just two random sentences. Whose fault is it? It's our fault, we did not care about it when it was necessary, i'd say the community has half of the blame of this situation. I don't care if you don't agree with it, i joined almost two years ago and nothing improved since then, what the hell did i expect?

There is so much moaning in-game for every little thing that almost every attempt to bring different roleplays ends like shit. I wonder if there is still somebody who cares about having fun without killing X player for Y lame reason ("i shot him cuz he killed my mEmBeRs omg admon!1!1"). Let's be honest, only the 2% of the players roleplays those kills, the rest is busy doing "pew pew pew, /p haha i killed u xDDD" or posting "HELL OF A NIGHT #PROVOKETORANDOMMAFIAGROUP" on forums. A small percentage cares about roleplays which do not end up in shootouts and obviously will never emerge.
Honestly speaking if all what you care about is showing your e-penis size you better put a finger up your ass, it might give you more pleasure and less headache to those looking for entertainment.


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Reply #27 on: July 11, 2016, 10:41:41 pm
We're so worried to make "quality roleplay" (gotta love all these definitions about quality rp, pls post more) that we forgot it's about having fun and distract a little bit from real life. It became a pain in the ass for every player to play, you are constantly observed and judged on how some damn chat lines are written. With this i don't want to defend those who shoot on sight or after they write just two random sentences. Whose fault is it? It's our fault, we did not care about it when it was necessary, i'd say the community has half of the blame of this situation. I don't care if you don't agree with it, i joined almost two years ago and nothing improved since then, what the hell did i expect?

There is so much moaning in-game for every little thing that almost every attempt to bring different roleplays ends like shit. I wonder if there is still somebody who cares about having fun without killing X player for Y lame reason ("i shot him cuz he killed my mEmBeRs omg admon!1!1"). Let's be honest, only the 2% of the players roleplays those kills, the rest is busy doing "pew pew pew, /p haha i killed u xDDD" or posting "HELL OF A NIGHT #PROVOKETORANDOMMAFIAGROUP" on forums. A small percentage cares about roleplays which do not end up in shootouts and obviously will never emerge.
Honestly speaking if all what you care about is showing your e-penis size you better put a finger up your ass, it might give you more pleasure and less headache to those looking for entertainment.

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Reply #28 on: July 12, 2016, 07:37:01 am
Honestly, at this point it is literally the kind of RP that eon't get you banned. because almost every "RP" ends with a report.

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Reply #29 on: July 13, 2016, 04:56:36 pm
We're so worried to make "quality roleplay" (gotta love all these definitions about quality rp, pls post more) that we forgot it's about having fun and distract a little bit from real life. It became a pain in the ass for every player to play, you are constantly observed and judged on how some damn chat lines are written. With this i don't want to defend those who shoot on sight or after they write just two random sentences. Whose fault is it? It's our fault, we did not care about it when it was necessary, i'd say the community has half of the blame of this situation. I don't care if you don't agree with it, i joined almost two years ago and nothing improved since then, what the hell did i expect?

There is so much moaning in-game for every little thing that almost every attempt to bring different roleplays ends like shit. I wonder if there is still somebody who cares about having fun without killing X player for Y lame reason ("i shot him cuz he killed my mEmBeRs omg admon!1!1"). Let's be honest, only the 2% of the players roleplays those kills, the rest is busy doing "pew pew pew, /p haha i killed u xDDD" or posting "HELL OF A NIGHT #PROVOKETORANDOMMAFIAGROUP" on forums. A small percentage cares about roleplays which do not end up in shootouts and obviously will never emerge.
Honestly speaking if all what you care about is showing your e-penis size you better put a finger up your ass, it might give you more pleasure and less headache to those looking for entertainment.
You're right, tho its nothing new, its been that way since 2008 really.

And lets be honest here, everyone's talking about "pew pew, e-penis he killed my member rp" being a main problem and bitching about it, when in fact that's the least of everyone elses problem when it comes to their own roleplay.

What does the pew pew between Gvardia and Soprano(putting a side all the bad shizzle connected with it, which Mark already explained in his reply), has to do with you and your roleplay?

You're a farmer from Flint, yet you can't roleplay correctly because of a pew pew happening somewhere else?

Or you're a hot dog seller infront of City Hall, but fuck it, you can't roleplay because there's a pew pew in San Fierro?

These are all bullshit excuses people who moans about roleplay, while in fact they're the ones, let me rephrase it, the only ones on which their roleplay depends.

I do not roleplay the same way with every person, I adjust to their way of roleplaying/interaction. 

I wont roleplay with HR or a hot dog seller, the same way I interact with Sopranos in this example. Because HR and a Hot Dog seller, wont just find a reason to pull out a gun, and hence I wont be doing the same. And don't get me wrong, its legit from Sopranos to do so, knowing our current situation.

I like to response on a good roleplay, with good roleplay, its the least I can do when I see someones effort in it. Why would I wanna destroy that for someone else, even if he's an enemy?

Lets do a poll, who here died from Me if he wasn't a cop chasing me and trying to kil lme, or a member of a enemy faction in war with my faction also threatening me or my member?

I'll tell you, no one, and I can vouch for 99 percent of my members same.

So the point is, "the quality of roleplay" is your own responsibility, don't blame others for it, yet either set an example by your roleplaying, or simply roleplay with people you judge will response in a positive way to your roleplay, or do both.

There's more "DMing" on more strict and serious roleplay servers, then on Argonath(as in you don't spam /me before opening fire, yet you can hit your enemy without interaction prior to it, if you have a valid roleplay reason.), on Argonath you gotta write a letter of intentions to your enemy 5 hours prior, and a shitload of useless /me spams and warnings, just so you can setup an "ambush" for a criminal leader of the enemies faction, who's then "surprised" when you try assassinate him.

If Ballas went on a surprised 'drive-by' shooting in Ganton on GSF, they would all get banned even if they have a valid roleplay reason, because "they didn't warn them enough"  or had "enough interaction prior" .

And drive-by shooting, is one of the main symbols of every gang in the US, that happens non stop.

Is that quality Roleplay? Is that realistic enough? No its just birocracry bullshit that you gotta do, so some admins wont bust your balls because he, or the people in charge of roleplay policy, dont know jack shit about criminal roleplay.

You can say, 'that can be abused for a constant pew pew wars', yes it can, but its up to those groups to determent are they gonna be into that style, or put their interaction on a more sophisticated level. And they gonna be judged by people based on that. Because like I explained, those wars don't really influence you and your roleplay.

Point is, if they wanna be those kind of groups, then admins should only check in on how valid is the roleplay reason, and potential cheating/hacking/aimboting and returning after death, that's about it.

Because they wont in anyway affect the rest of the server, except with bigger player count, because lets face it, when its peace time, everyone suddenly gets bored, and our player count goes down to shit.

And you? You can roleplay the same way you were roleplaying before, during, and after those wars, so anyone talking how he can't rp because of it, is just bullshiting really.


I haven't reported someone for DMing in over 2 years now I think, the last time I remember, was I reported some random cop who went killing people just for fun like he's on Paruni.

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