[Unbanned] James_McColey banned by Bas Corleone

[.Matthew.]

Your in-game name:
James_McColey

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Deathmatch

Admin who banned you:
Bas Corleone

When you were banned:
18/7/2016

Additional notes:
So, we deployed a hydra to guard a weed field at North Rock since of recent months, there's regular use of RPGs, grenades, molotovs and scripted bombs. The police are easily outnumbered and outgunned as not every officer can be equipped with snipers and M4.

Let's ask a question... why would a bunch of civilians raid a field that was clearly guarded by a fighter jet, armored trucks and multiple officers? there's no logical explanation for it beside - need for daily dose of team deathmatch and greed for money.

When I opened fire with the hydra, there was an explosion heard prior to it, and my fellow Agents said:

[22:57:27] [FBI] James_McColey(30): {FFFFFF}they fired RPG?
[22:57:48] [FBI] [WS]Leonardo(33): {FFFFFF}MATTHEW FIRE AT THEM
[22:57:48] [FBI] [WS]Peter(13): {FFFFFF}RPG

so as per their statements, and prior explosion, it was enough for me to start bombardment.
I'll always listen and rely on my fellow Agents, and especially considering the fact Leonardo is a veteran and Peter is an admin.

Here we can see them confirming of an explosion:

[01:27:13] {FFFFFF}[WS]Jaka_Corleone{FFFFFF}: (0) sorry that was unintentional
[01:27:18] {FFFFFF}[WS]Jaka_Corleone{FFFFFF}: (0) duneride has no brakes
[01:27:22] TiMoN(23) shouts: WE'RE SORRY OUR CAR SLIPPED!!

(The time stamp is different because the FBI GM log is mine and the log above is another Agent's)

So, in conclusion, since RPGs and other such grade weaponry are used regularly nowadays against police, and since police have no other counter measurement to fight it beside hydra and hunter, including the fact that recruits can't be equipped with M4 / sniper, launching hydra strikes on the group was clearly appropriate considering the ground units gave the signal to attack by saying that they had seen / heard RPGs. And I do not blame them for mistaking it with a vehicle explosion, because RPGs are as I said multiple times now, regularly used on weed fields against police. It simply became natural reaction to explosion nowadays.

[eymas]

When I read your statement I only get more and more worried about how little control sits on the heavy air. Have you stopped to think about the situation yourself before opening fire? Or will you just fire on command of a staff member and a veteran which could be anybody?

Even so, the explosion that triggered you was not of an RPG. It was a vehicle exploding after the accidental ram that the opposing party did.

I do have to say that the citizens were in the wrong for their sole intent to cause/look for trouble. But your side is equally in the wrong for misjudging the situation and hanging about with a weapon of mass destruction. The validity of this banishment is on an edge, but has been decided based on irresponsibility.

[.Matthew.]

When I read your statement I only get more and more worried about how little control sits on the heavy air. Have you stopped to think about the situation yourself before opening fire? Or will you just fire on command of a staff member and a veteran which could be anybody?

From my perspective in air, beforehand, I see an army of people gathering up at madd dog's mansion, I see like 5 cars moving up towards the weed field, and then I read radio where I'm told "RPG", I hear an explosion and I know how easily RPGs and such weapons are used nowadays almost like it comes up free. So, I had multiple reasons to fire from the hydra at that point.

1) From previous situations I know that they'll always bring an RPG or grenades with them.
2) Before raiding, they exchange RPGs or grenades between each other so many of them have it.
3) They organize into groups, one focusing on taking ground units, another on shooting the hunter / hydra.

And knowing that the police at the time were easily outgunned since there's no chance to fight RPGs / M4 with MP5, and hearing an explosion prior bombardment, and moments after hearing fellow Agents shout "fire at them" and "RPG", it was either watch them ground units die or start bombardment.

Even so, the explosion that triggered you was not of an RPG. It was a vehicle exploding after the accidental ram that the opposing party did.

Which is what I don't see from air, I don't hover above them and give them a chance to shoot me down, I'm flying around high in air.

I do have to say that the citizens were in the wrong for their sole intent to cause/look for trouble.

Which happens on daily basis, server player count goes up from 30 to 45 during these situations and just right after it ends it goes back to 30. People join just for the shootouts.

But your side is equally in the wrong for misjudging the situation and hanging about with a weapon of mass destruction.

As I said, I don't blame them for assuming it was an RPG as soon as they heard an explosion, the terrain is filled with tress, uneven ground and since those weapons are easily used in almost every weed field raid like this for the past few weeks, it became natural reaction to assume it's an RPG. And for myself, it was either wait and watch ground units die or start bombarding with enough indications of RPG being used. Even as it wasn't used, it was simply an explosion wrongly assumed of being RPG, because everyone is on high alert, and as said many times by now, can't blame them for being on high alert because of how recklessly RPGs are being used. And I'm not saying the hydra wasn't reckless in this situation.

The validity of this banishment is on an edge, but has been decided based on irresponsibility.

As you said yourself, citizens shouldn't go and seek for TDM by raiding weed fields guarded by armored trucks, fighter jets and police officers. It was simply miscommunication and rushed ban without any investigation prior to it. I didn't just start throwing bombs after the citizens arrived on the field, it was right after the vehicle explosion that was by fellow Agents assumed to be an RPG explosion, and after they shouted out in GM that there's an RPG, that's where I started bombardment.

[eymas]

Assumptions do not mean the information is 100% correct, neither is prejudice on these cases. Then again, this isn't the venue to discuss your skills.
I hope you understand that we expect more responsibility to come from either side when it comes to using heavy weaponry lest we have to remove them because the majority cannot properly use them without revolting back into a win/lose mindset.

[.Matthew.]

Assumptions do not mean the information is 100% correct, neither is prejudice on these cases.

Which is what was the wrong thing in this whole situation, a wrong assumption that led to all this.

I hope you understand that we expect more responsibility to come from either side when it comes to using heavy weaponry lest we have to remove them because the majority cannot properly use them without revolting back into a win/lose mindset.

It'd be pleasing to going back to heavy air being used only for airborne suspects and those on sea, I'd prefer it anytime over now when there's a weapon like RPG that's being overly used against police, I mean it's a city and county side we play in, United States of Argonath, people act as if it was Arghonatistan... and to that add that presence of such weapon warrants a deployment of a fighter jet, it's just pure warfare simulator more than anything.

Of course, in future, we'll ensure that the presence of such weapon type is confirmed and not assumed before any heavy air action is taken. This was all just a mere wrong assumption triggered by a somewhat natural reaction by now as things go quickly in the situation itself, and when you're surrounded you can't really look at every person 360° around you and look which one has a RPG in hand, especially when an explosion occurs, it's already late to look for who did it since if the person had only 1 rocket, it'll disappear from their hand.

[eymas]

I wonder when the heavy air guidelines were ever changed to begin with. Perhaps I'll ask for some insight/transparency on this later. 
Anyways. Thanks for the time and discussion.

The ban itself was done in the heat of the moment and on the server-side there are no established rules on heavy air usage. Apart from the guidelines i've written myself. On the topic of deathmatching, both sides would've been constricted into this regardless of what occured therefore I hope that people will think before confronting others. (I would love if people would stop treating argonath like a deathmatch server in the first place. Hopefully without us having to remove features/players.)
Again, make things 100% sure before acting.

Unbanned.