"Poor RP" concept

[Jeremy.]

Hi, I hope this topic doesn't get closed or myself getting moderated because I posted it, but things are getting weird day by day. I have nothing against someone specific from the admin team nor the entire HQ so I hope you don't take this as an insult or whatsoever and I wish we can discuss in a proper manner without turning it into a fight. After all what's the reason of having a forum? Okay so let's get straight to the point.

What I suggest to whoever is in charge of HQ to make the rules pretty clear and either use it on everyone or don't apply at all. Seriously, I can't say those which you banned for POOR RP are innocent but what I saw at unban request board cleared my thoughts of why the playerbase is so low.

I don't get it at all, I recall an old man saying once you can roleplay whatever you want whenever you want. What I noticed players which are roleplaying as a criminal/mobster/gangster call it however you wish are being considered as biggest rulebreakers and the law enforcement are blameless and never guilty. You want proofs? There you go:

Spoiler for Hiden:

When police officers arrived at the scene, they shout for several times as they were going to arrest Jim. However none of you including Jim, you and Ramo tried to interact with them and you were just standing still there. When I rushed toward the roof I didn't see Jim carrying any kind of weapon so I decided to use taser to stop him but apparently he decided to scroll his weapons after he got frozen by /taser scripts. You guys have noticed the opportunity for a shootout (A.K.A Deathmatching) so you started shooting.

Spoiler for Hiden:

[17:43:29] [WS]Peter(22) shouts: Dont move!!
[17:43:50] TeaM_Arslan(26) says (megaphone): SUSPECT IN GREEN JACKET
[17:43:52] TeaM_Arslan(26) says (megaphone): GET ON THE GROUND
[17:43:54] TeaM_Arslan(26) says (megaphone): NOW
[17:44:08] Steven_Anderson(21) has taken out their taser.
[17:44:09] {FFFFFF}TiMoN{FFFFFF}: (33) can u use /m while standing near a cop car?
[17:44:09] [Radio] FBI Special Agent in Charge [WS]Peter(22) FBI: Behind the journey
[17:44:10] Dan_Svensson(10) fell on the ground due being hit by the taser of Steven_Anderson(21).
[17:44:11] [WS]Peter(22) has taken out their taser.
[17:44:12] TeaM_Arslan(26) has taken out their taser.
[17:44:15] Jim_Conroy(12) fell on the ground due being hit by the taser of [WS]Peter(22).
[17:44:17] Dan_Svensson(10) shouts: what the hell!!
[17:44:23] TiMoN(33) says: he has a fucking gun peter
[17:44:23] Player cuffed.
[17:44:29] [WS]Peter(22) pushes the gun away

This is the perfect example, I didn't say there was no roleplaying involved but it was way too poor. You can't just walk into a gang hood, ask a black to surrender, climb on a GS and open fire without being shot back or beaten up. It's pretty obvious. How do you have expectations of people roleplaying back when you don't do it? I'm sorry but /me pushes the gun away is shit RP, no offence.

Same goes for usage of /gm, apparently cops can use it for RP and criminals not. Can somebody explain me this? You banned people for using /gm.

Once again, I suggest making rules CLEAR for everyone and apply them for whoever is in-game, despite being an admin or a cop.

[Ben.]

This isn't the forum for issues on administrative punishment.

[Jeremy.]

This isn't the forum for issues on administrative punishment.

It's not about administrative punishment, it's about making the server rules clear and applying them on everyone.

[Carlito.S]

 

[Leon.]

This isn't the forum for issues on administrative punishment.

It is when one admin is banning someone for something that another admin would have issued a simple verbal warning/lesson for. This is a problem that affects us all and therefore should be discussed.

[FARQ3X]

It's not about administrative punishment, it's about making the server rules clear and applying them on everyone.

I agree on this. Unfortunately, both new players and cops who do anything to arrest are immune to these.

[Liviu.]

I must say, that what happend there is pretty shitty. No offence. Make the rules more clear.

[eymas]

Discuss unruly punishments or staff members with us(Mikro and me) directly. If it happens to be Mikro you wish to report, Me or gandalf can help.

As for rules being clarified, We do try to get this as close to perfect as possible but the chance still exists that we may overlook some things. I can only hope the community can give us a neutral opinion on the matters rather than taking sides immediately or diverging personal matters into this.

In the past few days the player-count on samp has declined drastically as people prefer arguing here. Realize that this is a change you've set in motion and you too have to revert.

[FARQ3X]

Discuss unruly punishments or staff members with us(Mikro and me) directly. If it happens to be Mikro you wish to report, Me or gandalf can help.

As for rules being clarified, We do try to get this as close to perfect as possible but the chance still exists that we may overlook some things. I can only hope the community can give us a neutral opinion on the matters rather than taking sides immediately or diverging personal matters into this.

In the past few days the player-count on samp has declined drastically as people prefer arguing here. Realize that this is a change you've set in motion and you too have to revert.

This sparked an idea. How about we stop arguing and actually make suggestions for HQ to fix things.

[TiMoN]

In the past few days the player-count on samp has declined drastically as people prefer arguing here. Realize that this is a change you've set in motion and you too have to revert.

It's because of shitty rules being implemented that restricts gameplay as much as possible(also because I got banned sh).

[Jeremy.]

In the past few days the player-count on samp has declined drastically as people prefer arguing here. Realize that this is a change you've set in motion and you too have to revert.

I'm afraid to play on a server where the rules are "changing". I don't want to get myself banned.

Oh also let's not forget this:

"Regarding your statement about the usage of taser... As I said, Jim didn't carry any firearm when I tased him however we can use taser if there is no an active shootout."

The Taser can't be used if:

- The suspect is wielding any type weapon.(firearms and sharp objects)

[CharlieKasper]

In the past few days the player-count on samp has declined drastically as people prefer arguing here.

It is true at times but not true in a situation such as this where things are this unstable.

[eymas]

It's because of shitty rules being implemented that restricts gameplay as much as possible(also because I got banned sh).

Do remember that we are always open for constructive input on how to lessen this supposed grip you suggest. We know nothing can be well balanced right off the bat despite that we try to get it as close as possible.

[Sarmed]

Jeremy your point is valid but some peoples take this as a shitty topic.we need to take as a discussion.

[Leon.]

Discuss unruly punishments or staff members with us(Mikro and me) directly. If it happens to be Mikro you wish to report, Me or gandalf can help.

As for rules being clarified, We do try to get this as close to perfect as possible but the chance still exists that we may overlook some things. I can only hope the community can give us a neutral opinion on the matters rather than taking sides immediately or diverging personal matters into this.

In the past few days the player-count on samp has declined drastically as people prefer arguing here. Realize that this is a change you've set in motion and you too have to revert.

I do not think unruly punishments are precisely the issue, just the overly broad interpretation of the RS5-invented massively "grey area"-type roleplay rules. I believe more emphasis should be placed on teaching players what they are doing wrong through personal messages and how to do better, rather than being unreasonable/inhuman and simply banning them for breaking the rules. Besides, we cannot afford to have any more players banned. Not to mention, players are less likely to come back if they are banned for an honest mistake.

Even veterans such as myself overlook some details or forget a small rule. I should not be expected to consciously remember every detail of Argonath's new roleplay "rulebook." Back in my day admins did not care if you used /area or /cb to track somebody down. Now you get a fucking ban for it without a word, and somehow you're expected to know. Things have basically changed overnight.

All I'm asking is that the admin team cuts us a little slack when it comes to roleplay matters, or at least while we still figure out where we're going with these new regulations. Act human with us.

Just because a player has been playing for more than a year or two does not mean that they know every little thing about Argonath and it's rules (both written and unwritten, which there's a lot of unwritten rules) and are incapable of mistakes. What might be common sense to you as an admin might not be common sense to us as players.