Unite.

[TheGreasyChopper]

It's quite sad seeing the server dying day after another though the 10th anniversary is on the doors.

It's the community's 10th birthday, not SA:MP's  The problem is that there isn't anything to do anymore, there's no roleplay. It's grinding weed, mining and getting notoriety, and then all over again. There's no stream of new things added to keep the players' interest. There was a great period in RS5.2 when Roleplay got more serious and it turned out good, but then the whole RPG thing kicked in with levels and notoriety and all that, turning it into a massive grindfest. People don't RP that much anymore, it's just grinding the script. 

We can't unite, there's alot of sides on Argonath which are contradictions of eachother, opposites if you will. You'll never see a Soprano go Gvardia, you'll never see Svensson go Grove Street, it's not just roleplay groups, it's small communities in which members find comfort. The SA:MP community is on a train-track, it keeps moving toward one simple destination, you can't take a left or a right turn...it'll keep ending up like this, going good again for a few weeks then crashing down again. Explains why most of the SA:MP people moved to VC:MP lately, which is a great thing, considering VC:MP had no more than a steady playercount of 10 people until lately, while SA:MP never fell under 15 on a regular day.

[Justin39]

James is trying to have an actual discussion here and you guys are fighting over what admins you don't like, great.

It's a good idea to stay on the topic from the first post..

[Bruce.]

lol this just shows everyone is right, great representation of the admin staff.

Sorry I should have gifted flowers at the moment I was being shit on. My apologies.

[.Matthew.]

On another note. The amount of people viewing this topic is higher then the actual players in game. There's your problem. Shut the forum down and let people be in game.

Maybe because there's like 3 pages now of people knowing and seeing there are issues. Yet every time a topic like this is made, it's locked and thrown under the carpet.
It's staff and management who can fix the server, saying "it's all players mentality, fix it yourselves" won't do anything.

Sorry I should have gifted flowers at the moment I was being shit on. My apologies.

You're a staff member. If you can't control your temper and remain professional you should say goodbye and do a favor for the community and the staff team itself.
Your sarcastic posts are an issue, you can see numerous people confirming it so... there's clearly an issue with the way how you deal and react to things.

[Dean.]

Sorry I should have gifted flowers at the moment I was being shit on. My apologies.

Yes for pointing out flaws you can actually fix.

[Reasy]

We may get back some when People quit brawling over bosh and be a bit more ripe.

[TheGreasyChopper]

You're a staff member. If you can't control your temper and remain professional you should say goodbye and do a favor for the community and the staff team itself.
Your sarcastic posts are an issue, you can see numerous people confirming it so... there's clearly an issue with the way how you deal and react to things.

That's one of the reasons people are leaving in general, it's not just staff. Some people can get away with talking shit constantly, while others can't, because they get punished. Everyone should feel free to say whatever he wants to whoever he wants. If someone talks shit to you, you talk back. We aren't an elementary school, nor a kindergarden. Suck it up if you can't talk back, move on and continue doing whatever you did. Someone's talking shit to you? Last time I checked words don't do much, so continue doing whatever you are InGame and stop being a sensitive teenage girl

(Not directed at you Matthew, nor to any specific person, it's directed to everyone, if you talk shit about admins, expect them talking back)

[.Matthew.]

Exactly as you said. They see a few serious posts, some that they don't like, and they instantly start locking the topic or deleting the posts. If you can't allow people to post what's wrong in their view, then you can't expect for the issues to magically disappear. Issues must be pointed out, one way or another, and that's why players are golden. If you care about the community you administer, you should consider player's opinions and views golden and according to them find a solution and fix up whatever is wrong.

The main issue in Argonath is that every time a topic opens up, people start discussions, bring up issues and etc.. it's automatically considered moaning and gets shut down.
Also, stop with this weird vision that players can fix up a server. It's your job as managers, developers and staff members to gather up issues and opinions of your players and fix them with your abilities.
Each player enforcing his own style and own vision of a "fix" to the issue won't lead anywhere.

[psyron]

im inactive because i got interested in other games, as well as real life. no hate, i love everyone 

[Leon.]

It's not what I want in the server, it's what I want out. Such as the recent spike in shitty attitudes from members of police, shitty attitudes from past and current admins/community leaders, shitty attitudes from members of enemy groups, provoking in /p, provoking in forums, bitching in /p and forums. I'm sitting here trying to spread positivity and you are all bringing me down with your shitty attitudes. Therefore I am less inclined to play.

Also, stop with this weird vision that players can fix up a server. It's your job as managers, developers and staff members to gather up issues and opinions of your players and fix them with your abilities.
Each player enforcing his own style and own vision of a "fix" to the issue won't lead anywhere.

There are many here who need to work on their expression of their opinions, because usually here it leads to pointing fingers and calling people retards, and getting topics that started perfectly civil locked. That speaks volumes for the playerbase, not the admins.

[Bas]

Alright I see a lot of people blaming eachother... Lets get constructive.
What do you actually think that has to improve. List your 3 most important thoughts. I'd appreciate it if you use the form below to avoid any derailing of the topic.
And please people, respect other people's opinions.

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[b]Name[/b]
[b]Point of improvement:[/b]
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[.Matthew.]

Name Matthew
Point of improvement:
- More open development like when Teddy was here. Make a topic, roadmap or something where we can see what's priority, what not and etc..
- Better management over staff. Staff members should be able to control their temper, avoid sarcasm with players and remain professional.
- Drop all hatred on one another based upon someone's group / faction.

[Bas]

Name Matthew
Point of improvement:
- More open development like when Teddy was here. Make a topic, roadmap or something where we can see what's priority, what not and etc..
- Better management over staff. Staff members should be able to control their temper, avoid sarcasm with players and remain professional.
- Drop all hatred on one another based upon someone's group / faction.

Point 1:
I agree with the open development, that would be a great suggestion to forward to Mikro.

Point 2:
This may be due to the lack of HQ members currently, though I've heard that there are some things in the works to take care of that.

Point 3:
This is something that both sides have to work on, but deffinantly not impossible.

[Gnb_22]

Name Matthew
Point of improvement:
- More open development like when Teddy was here. Make a topic, roadmap or something where we can see what's priority, what not and etc..
- Better management over staff. Staff members should be able to control their temper, avoid sarcasm with players and remain professional.
- Drop all hatred on one another based upon someone's group / faction.

The only thing I can add to this is staff members remove their bias and be more objective. More uniformity in the unban section as well the way these unbans have been handles recently is fucking ridiculous people been getting 2 months review dates after being banned for boderline bullshit reasons. I'm pretty sure hardly any investigations is being done cause im pretty sure if it was they could see the clear mistakes.

[Leon.]

I'm down.

Leon_Gvardia
Point of improvement: The Rules
-If it's not in the official rules, admins cannot ban for it. There are too many broad grey area rules based on comments made by Teddy in topics from 10 pages back, or things said by Gandalf in the "Ask Developers Topic." Write it down somewhere we can all see it.
-There was once a guide to new moderators giving them general guidelines on how to handle certain situations. There obviously needs to be another, and not just for new moderators, because as I've stated in another topic, one admin will often ban for something that another admin would kick for. The other day I saw two admins punished a guy at the exact same time - a ban first, then a kick right after. These days I am seeing people getting banned for things that people have never been banned before in my entire time of playing (such as metagaming) which makes playing here discouraging.
-If a new rule or interpretation of a rule has been created somewhere on the forums or otherwise, it needs to be clearly broadcasted for everyone to see. Players should not be expected to read every page of every topic in the SA:MP boards looking for "common sense."
-Admins need to stop working against us.