Policy

[Deni1997]

I agree with powergaming and metagaming.
Plus no bunnyhopping

[Vladislav]

I'd love it if we shifted away from the whole light RP dynamic and started getting a little more serious about role-playing. There was a period of time, little less than a year ago where the levels of roleplay increased significantly because of the stern approach Teddy was taking to non-roleplayers.

Honestly, as much as i'm all for Argonath being a "world of it's own," it's that same term that drags us back. I always thought of it as meaning that not everything in Argonath has to mirror real life, as it would allow for people to get a bit more creative with less limitations. Rather, people use it as an excuse to continue with the same old linear roleplays, identifying people a nametag floating above their head, using blips to find others, using /area etc. I'm not asking for Argonath to become another LS:RP (srsly stop avoiding naming that server as if we're talking about Voldemort lol), but if powergaming/metagaming would be clearly enforced, some general guidelines about what does & doesn't constitute RP (doesn't have to be long, just a general outline) were created, and if these rules were applied consistently when punishing wrongdoers; I reckon a lot more people would be satisfied.

And yes, before anyone calls me a hypocrite even i've fallen short of my own standards of roleplay. Fact is, with the state the server has been in recently many people have become quite complacent when it comes to RP.

Roleplay aside, i'm somewhat in agreement with this also.

Stop nerfing shit because "it's too profitable", players need money for RP, let them have it.

I'd be lying if i said i ever needed money for RP, but it's nice to earn a buck when there's literally nothing else going on. If you're going to keep nerfing any profitable way to make some cash people aren't going to find certain jobs worthwhile. Sure there'll be complaints of money-farming, and yeah it was pretty prevalent in the past especially when trucking was around. Honestly though, i had 10x more fun during that time than i do now and i wasn't even trucking as often as some. It's a game after all, and whilst people play for fun it's expected that they'll want some incentives (i.e money/houses/cars).

[Sweeper]

Public chat turned off with 15 players or more online.

[Stivi]

Guys powergaming is already part of the rules, and at some point I thought metagaming was too, I'll read through them again, 'cause right now I can't remember.

Powergaming falls under "don't force to RP". We need metagame too. Though this is only my opinion, I don't know if the rest want it. Because then we'd only have /area for cops ( to make it a bit more fair of them trynna use some "passed the tolls" "street cameras" ), /kill removed ( gotcha bogomil ) and maybe other stuff.


Here's the topic: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=111810.0,
and read this reply: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=111810.msg1763718#msg1763718

[Gandalf]

Perhaps it is my old style, but I am still a strong believer in a little rules as possible.
Roleplay has nothing to do with rules, as if you need rules they must be enforceable.

What punishment woud be given on metagaming? How can admins know a player did it? If all you want is to be able to whinge about another player not dong it 'properly' that means you wish to force them in tyo what you do instead of using improvisation.
Roleplay is about interacting and improvising. Being original, if possible funny or at least entertaining.
Not being stuck in the same mode of being an undestructible tough guy that must kill all his enemies (and fogtets dying himself numerous times) and be 'the man'. It can be fun for a short time, but it is more fun to randomly choose a set of clothes and follow its looks by building something out of it. Allow to be beaten up because you are not that tough looking. Find somehting that does not include weapons, violence, killing and shooting.

Rules are for those who have no originality, no improisation or creative mind. For peopl who neeed to be told what to do and how to do it. Rules are for NPC Characters tat are as interchangeable as hackers. Roleplay is done without rules, without fixed patterns or knowing what you will do. It has nothing to do with winning. It has nothing to do with masturbating your circle of friends while shutting out those who you do not know.

If you want ahigher level of roleplay, teach. Teach everyone you come across, show them how much fun it can be in such a way they wish to follow what you do. Not by threatening them and calling enforcement of admins who do not need to be there to wipe your ass.
Yes, people should roleplay. And no, pointless repetitive scenarios is not roleplay.

This is the tl:dr version of my earlier comment.

[Fuzzy]

Stop nerfing shit because "it's too profitable", players need money for RP, let them have it.

I am all in for making money more accessible than it currently is. However, I think nerfing should still happen if something would happen to be just a blatant money farm.

[Stivi]

Perhaps it is my old style, but I am still a strong believer in a little rules as possible.
Roleplay has nothing to do with rules, as if you need rules they must be enforceable.

What punishment woud be given on metagaming? How can admins know a player did it? If all you want is to be able to whinge about another player not dong it 'properly' that means you wish to force them in tyo what you do instead of using improvisation.
Roleplay is about interacting and improvising. Being original, if possible funny or at least entertaining.
Not being stuck in the same mode of being an undestructible tough guy that must kill all his enemies (and fogtets dying himself numerous times) and be 'the man'. It can be fun for a short time, but it is more fun to randomly choose a set of clothes and follow its looks by building something out of it. Allow to be beaten up because you are not that tough looking. Find somehting that does not include weapons, violence, killing and shooting.

Rules are for those who have no originality, no improisation or creative mind. For peopl who neeed to be told what to do and how to do it. Rules are for NPC Characters tat are as interchangeable as hackers. Roleplay is done without rules, without fixed patterns or knowing what you will do. It has nothing to do with winning. It has nothing to do with masturbating your circle of friends while shutting out those who you do not know.

If you want ahigher level of roleplay, teach. Teach everyone you come across, show them how much fun it can be in such a way they wish to follow what you do. Not by threatening them and calling enforcement of admins who do not need to be there to wipe your ass.
Yes, people should roleplay. And no, pointless repetitive scenarios is not roleplay.

I also am not a fan of too many rules, I don't really read them all that much, which might explain my colorful punishment history. Jk. On the first part. ^>^

There really shouldn't be any pushiment as others have suggested. Admins should instead GUIDE the player breaking this rule into roleplaying "properly" ( in a lack of a better word ). How do admins know a player deathmatched? And when the player keeps doing it, he either wants to take advantage of the "no-ban" system or lacks the brain capacity of understand what is what. In both cases, the player can be banned for unable to follow our rules and ignoring administration.

I don't want a higher level of roleplay, there are other servers who offer that and I don't play in them. Perhaps 3 times a year? I want to roleplay in Argonath.

[Gnb_22]

This is the tl:dr version of my earlier comment.

It goes both ways, if someone metagames or what not they are forcing me into thier shitty RP which I wish not to participate in. Why cant they improvise and not use the OOC information they recieved to RP. These are basic rules in every RP server.

[Gandalf]

It goes both ways, if someone metagames or what not they are forcing me into thier shitty RP which I wish not to participate in. Why cant they improvise and not use the OOC information they recieved to RP. These are basic rules in every RP server.

And how do you enforce them?

[Stivi]

And how do you enforce them?

I'm a little moderated so you might have missed my previous reply, being the old guy you are

There really shouldn't be any pushiment as others have suggested. Admins should instead GUIDE the player breaking this rule into roleplaying "properly" ( in a lack of a better word ). How do admins know a player deathmatched? And when the player keeps doing it, he either wants to take advantage of the "no-ban" system or lacks the brain capacity of understand what is what. In both cases, the player can be banned for unable to follow our rules and ignoring administration.

We don't need strict rules, we need some guidelines to avoid getting banned. Acika got banned for RPing a tunnel, which I think is pretty creative, but the admins didn't.

[Axison]

Not gonna shit on this topic but since this is an active one ill say, what the fuck?

This is like the millionth time ive seen these "Lets be honest" or "ONLY CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION" topics that end up with useless arguments and eventually being locked. There is no point in making these topics because they're simply no outcome. The only solution for you guys is to go in game and play, fix things in game. Now i know many of you will jump on the panel to get my activity and honestly i could care less. I haven't been active and that's because i have my reasons.But i have been here long enough to propose a solution without being about told my activity.

[jovanca]

And how do you enforce them?

Same way we enforce every other rule. Hopefully people will get used to it pretty soon as well, it ain't that hard.

Acika got banned for RPing a tunnel, which I think is pretty creative, but the admins didn't.

He got banned for quit abusing. Just becaude you rp using force to move vehicles doesn't mean you won't be banned for car rain hacks.

[Stivi]

He got banned for quit abusing. Just becaude you rp using force to move vehicles doesn't mean you won't be banned for car rain hacks.

Yes, he quit and spawned on the other side of the street, where the exit of the tunnel was. My point wasn't in making Acika the good guy. Let's not derail the topic though.

[Ramo_Hawk]

I started reading the first few posts and got bored, so.. sorry, but I think this is correct.

Start off by stopping every ongoing war on the server.

[Gandalf]

Same way we enforce every other rule. Hopefully people will get used to it pretty soon as well, it ain't that hard.

You know your admin tools. So you get a report of someone metagaming, how do you find out the report is true, and what actions and punisments do tyou perform with the tools you have?