Undercover FBI Agents acting like "new players"

[Salmonella]

So uhh, let's make it mandatory for veterans to talk with perfect grammar, punctuation and spelling and also to have a certain attitude in their messages? It should be rulebreaking to talk like a different person undercover? Or is this just another ''you nailed my Srbijan buddy so now I'm just gonna kick against your group on the forums a little out of frustration'' fest?

You're upset, okay, but what do you propose as an improvement? That should be your aim in topics like these, not ''UGH, YOU TALK LIKE DUMB CHIMP FUCK U SO STUPID''.

[Arslan]

Go find a new topic people this isn't worth moaning about.

[taseen11]

Zero punctation just to look like a dumb fuck, out of roleplay. Lame way to fool less skilled people, no matter what you say.

So you're calling half of Gvardia, camorra and their associates less skilled?

[Stivi]

So uhh, let's make it mandatory for veterans to talk with perfect grammar, punctuation and spelling and also to have a certain attitude in their messages? It should be rulebreaking to talk like a different person undercover? Or is this just another ''you nailed my Srbijan buddy so now I'm just gonna kick against your group on the forums a little out of frustration'' fest?

You're upset, okay, but what do you propose as an improvement? That should be your aim in topics like these, not ''UGH, YOU TALK LIKE DUMB CHIMP FUCK U SO STUPID''.

Yo chill man, it was Greasy who only asked why this was happening, this topic isn't about making a rule against this. There's other topics for that. It did get derailed but hey, do I need to guide you through our forums?

So you're calling half of Gvardia, camorra and their associates less skilled?

lmao. Bro I need to get whatever your math teacher is having. Contact number?

[taseen11]

lmao. Bro I need to get whatever your math teacher is having. Contact number?

As far as I know, you all got fooled by sir amir so according to Jovanca, you're less skilled.

[Stivi]

all

half of Gvardia, camorra and their associates

lmao. Bro I need to get whatever your math teacher is having. Contact number?

[taseen11]

All as in all of the people I mentioned.
FBI aren't finished yet either

[.Matthew.]

Simply move on. Live with it. Believe it or not, love it or not, this is a roleplay server and there's police in it. Otherwise if there wasn't, you'd be calling it Mafia RPG. Accept that you can lose, we accept that we can lose and move on. It's a game, made to be entertaining and fun. If you're all about winning, find something else to play like GTA:SA singleplayer.

If FBI cannot be undercover properly, then:

[TheGreasyChopper]

 Now now now, this isn't what I had in mind with the topic at all. Thing is, you're supposed to be the elite of the elite of the Law Enforcement. Back in 2011 or was it 2012, can't remember, there was a FBI case going against the AOD. The undercover agents were acting like any other roleplayer around our group back then. Some of us knew they were FBI agents, I knew, yet I let it continue due to the character relations and their developed undercover personality. I was really happy about how it all went, some characters were arrested, interrogated, I served a sentence in Mordor and let it go. It was all In-Character, there were no forum suits or trials. I think we even RPed in the LV Court House(Little off topic, but what happened to it? One of the best scenarios I was part of  were hosted there, I still remember a case against an Ancelotti in which the family stood seated while the court took place).
 
 I understand the benefits and why you decide to do all that, but in Argonath, new players have always been treated better, rules benefit them, administration gives lighter punishments and gives them a chance to fix themselves. Veterans are supposed to know what they're doing and can't slip through the raindrops. I said "new players" mainly to avoid calling someone a "noob" or "less skilled" which is going to cause a shitstorm. There's no need to pull the "why do you assume only new players speak bad english" card. You and everyone knows what I mean by that. Why don't you take your time to join this group, RP an undercover agent, take your time to make a casefile against each member of the group and actually spend time on roleplaying with them. Take for example the IRL case in which an undercover agent supposedly was accepted in the Hells Angels while gaining evidence. He struggled with living his normal life and the fake one as a biker. Take your time roleplaying that, I'm sure you, your colleagues and the people in the group will enjoy it.

 The point of this topic is that we're not a win/lose server in a mode that one team wins the other loses. We are a server based on Roleplay. Roleplay the thing. I'm sure you'll inflitrate a group much easier when you prove to be a good roleplayer. (And "buy my weed pls" "u buy weed???" is not the way to do it.) I want both sides to interact and roleplay, so Arslan, no need to PM me and take this personal, this is aimed for both sides.

[.Matthew.]

If you let someone into AoD knowing they're FBI then it means they failed at being undercover properly. And if you let it happen, it doesn't mean others will. Especially Corleone or Gvardia.

[TheGreasyChopper]

If you let someone into AoD knowing they're FBI then it means they failed at being undercover properly. And if you let it happen, it doesn't mean others will. Especially Corleone or Gvardia.

We didn't know at first, some people found out later on, I learned OOCly(Out of Roleplay for those who'll go NO IC/OOC ON ARGONATH) about those agents as the case went on. But in characterwise(refer to last brackets for NO IC/OOC people) there was no proof as the agents did a good job. The interaction was great for both groups. As for the "others won't make it happen" "Gvardia or Corleone", have you even tried? I remember back when Roman was Gvardia and suddenly he went FBI there was alot of RP troubles for both sides, none of it was taken to forums in moaning topics and cases. Keep roleplaying, it's a game, you're supposed to do it for entertainment not for winning or losing. (which is why we should prohibit powergaming - the play2win aspect of it)

Until FBI Undercover agents go out simply to bust the criminal groups with lawsuits and then go raid their fields, there'll be trouble between both sides OOCly. If we just start roleplaying together, build cases, pull in informants etc, this whole LAW vs CRIMINAL conflict will end and we'll be one step ahead in improving roleplay in Argonath.

[Cofiliano]

I personally don't mind it. It aint the first time they're doing it either. They're trying to do their job the best way possible, and Argonath is limiting them.


I do however wanna know, how are they allowed to committe mayor crimes, such as kidnaps, and killings?

[Arslan]

I think we even RPed in the LV Court House(Little off topic, but what happened to it? One of the best scenarios I was part of  were hosted there, I still remember a case against an Ancelotti in which the family stood seated while the court took place).

This still happens and we did this with Stivi Gvardia not too long ago, he was arrested and trialed in LV courthouse. Also the reason most filed and take place on forum is due to availability of all parties in a case which close to never are the same.
 
 I understand the benefits and why you decide to do all that, but in Argonath, new players have always been treated better, rules benefit them, administration gives lighter punishments and gives them a chance to fix themselves.

Admins know exactly who the ucs are - some are even leaked due to this and I don't see how this has anything to do with the situation since they don't go uc and start breaking rules.

I want both sides to interact and roleplay, so Arslan, no need to PM me and take this personal, this is aimed for both sides.

Your basing this on one case which I don't understand. Go read previous cases and do more reading instead of cherry picking. I don't see what your aiming at? What are you trying to get both sides to do?

[Arslan]

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Not everyone is as strict as you in terms on ic and ooc so generalising and saying do this or that won't help. We have to adapt to what argonath gives us to play with and thats if your name is a known fbi name, they won't even stand next to you.

[TheGreasyChopper]

Not everyone is as strict as you in terms on ic and ooc so generalising and saying do this or that won't help. We have to adapt to what argonath gives us to play with and thats if your name is a known fbi name, they won't even stand next to you.

That's why you guys /changename, work your way up, interact with the group. Instead of busting someone because he made an advert that he's buying drugs, monitor him, send a UC agent to keep supplying him until you learn when he'll sell them to market, ambush them there, lock down drug market spots. I'm sure there's very little if no groups who'd mind such an interaction and actually enjoy it.