Undercover FBI Agents acting like "new players"

[.Matthew.]

The topic is clearly about "undercover FBI agents acting like new players", so when you post that people are abusing people's trust and taking advantage, it's said without any base under it.
We don't go around and start asking people to drive us around and show us where is what and waste their time asking them to teach us how to truck, how to be police or how to do something else.
So I don't know what's up with all the people saying that we take advantage of someone's trust or waste their time. We go straight to business without asking someone questions about server or asking them to teach us something we know related to server.
In short, we don't abuse or waste anyone's time nor we impersonate new players.

Especially since you connected "good gesture" with " just helping them get started with commands, seeds and whatnot". None does that so I don't know what's the point of this topic and continuation of arguing.

[[Rstar]Peter]

Well I fail to see how UC agents are doing something incorrectly in RP manners. I have just gave you few hints to separate newplayers from UC agents.
To point another thing, this situation is like blaming UC managers when they catch us rulebreaking. Using poor English language is one of their methods too, I guess you already know it @Link9rly as you are pretty much elder than anyone else here.

[Link9rly]

The topic is clearly about "undercover FBI agents acting like new players", so when you post that people are abusing people's trust and taking advantage, it's said without any base under it.

The base is that newer players usually lack fluency in English. Now, I'm not (and didn't) accuse anybody in your group of asking in public chat for help with anything but the fact is that most of us do associate lack of English skills as somebody being new.

We don't go around and start asking people to drive us around and show us where is what and waste their time asking them to teach us how to truck, how to be police or how to do something else.

Again, I never did claim that you did. However, just as I said earlier, some of us do see that lack if English skills implies a new player so we usually go up to them ourselves to help them out since majority of the new players don't know the map names.

So I don't know what's up with all the people saying that we take advantage of someone's trust or waste their time. We go straight to business without asking someone questions about server or asking them to teach us something we know related to server.
In short, we don't abuse or waste anyone's time nor we impersonate new players.

Are you really sure that nobody does that? I'm speaking as just one player but I give seeds, shovels, GPSes, and other small amenities to new players. I've seen other established groups doing the same thing. Leon himself just said the same thing. Now, as I said, I'm not accusing anybody in your group going out and asking for seeds and whatnot. I did say that if it were to be happening, it'd be a pretty disgusting thing.

Well I fail to see how UC agents are doing something incorrectly in RP manners. I have just gave you few hints to separate newplayers from UC agents.

Yes, you did. However you gave non-roleplay methods of doing it, which is pretty shit.

To point another thing, this situation is like blaming UC managers when they catch us rulebreaking.

Except it's nothing like that at all. If somebody is rule breaking, they should be punished regardless. This is one of those famous grey areas because there's no written rules against it. However, it's definitely going to be frowned upon.

[.Matthew.]

Are you really sure that nobody does that? I'm speaking as just one player but I give seeds, shovels, GPSes, and other small amenities to new players. I've seen other established groups doing the same thing. Leon himself just said the same thing. Now, as I said, I'm not accusing anybody in your group going out and asking for seeds and whatnot. I did say that if it were to be happening, it'd be a pretty disgusting thing.

Yes.

If to you someone speaking bad English implies it's a new player, then it's your problem. It's one thing what someone speaking bad English is to you and what he is in reality. None in FBI will impersonate a new player and waste someone's time by pretending to not know anything about the server. None in FBI will ask you to give them GPS, phone or money. It simply doesn't happen. If anyone does that he'll be fired. Being undercover means you're pretending to be someone else in order to execute a task, be it gather intelligence or evidence. And that must be done by not wasting someone's time and impersonating a new player by asking questions about commands while you know the answer and by making other people drive you around and show you things you already know about.

[Leon.]

None in FBI will impersonate a new player and waste someone's time by pretending to not know anything about the server.

So long as you stick to this, there are no qualms from me.

Also, I don't think you need to sell or buy weed from a new player either. How does a new player know to harvest or plant weed? I met many new players and gave them money without asking them for weed or something to give me in exchange. If you really wanna help new players, help them without weed and guns.

A new player knows how to harvest/plant weed when they ask me, "How do I plant weed," and I show them how. I don't answer them with "Why not just become a cop/oil worker instead?" If they wanted to know how to get money without breaking the law they would have asked me.

how does that make me a newbie or "undercover agent taking advantage of every argonath player who becomes a saint as soon as he spots a new player"?

There are more effective ways to get people to listen to what you're trying to say than being a smartass.

[.Matthew.]

A new player knows how to harvest/plant weed when they ask me, "How do I plant weed," and I show them how. I don't answer them with "Why not just become a cop/oil worker instead?" If they wanted to know how to get money without breaking the law they would have asked me.

And an undercover agent won't do that, won't ask you to show them how to plant weed or ask you cmds to plant weed.

[James]

Right 2 FBI UC Agents found in 2 new mafias.. alright which group is the next one? your ruining the mafia groups

[Liviu.]

Actually, James, they're giving them a lesson not to accept everyone in their mafia.

[.Matthew.]

There, check the Abraham case. Example of a case where our asset wasn't using bad English. Also example that FBI is watching everyone, if we don't sue someone it doesn't mean we don't have eyes in.
It just means we won't expose someone useful.

[Stivi]

There, check the Abraham case. Example of a case where our asset wasn't using bad English. Also example that FBI is watching everyone, if we don't sue someone it doesn't mean we don't have eyes in.
It just means we won't expose someone useful.

Yeah was Marco an UC FBI agent or someone who decided to tell you stuff, or be the spy for you? There is quite a difference.

[.Matthew.]

I called him an asset for a reason. He was director of VC FBI anyway so you csn consider him whatever.

[FBI]

Yeah was Marco an UC FBI agent or someone who decided to tell you stuff, or be the spy for you? There is quite a difference.

There is no difference. Bottom line, he got evidence which we could use.

As for a new topic, can we now discuss how "lame" (-Jov) it is to suicide and pull death cards because your shitting yourself as a result of a court case. Clearly avoiding rp opportunity! Or is this acceptable and the purest form of RP, please clarify, thank you.

[Stivi]

There is no difference. Bottom line, he got evidence which we could use.

As for a new topic, can we now discuss how "lame" (-Jov) it is to suicide and pull death cards because your shitting yourself as a result of a court case. Clearly avoiding rp opportunity! Or is this acceptable and the purest form of RP, please clarify, thank you.

There is a difference in how someone roleplays their way into the group.

Oh, you mad about that? Don't worry, I'll still RP my ghost at that very corner if you like! I did not shit myself, quite the contrary, but had to do something for the sake of another. Buying drugs is LEGAL. I did not distribute those drugs as you said in the court case, nor did I use them or possessed them. Oh well nothing you can prove at least. All you can prove is that I bought two bags, which I hid.

[FARQ3X]

We do act like it. View our topics and find when did we make a topic when we lost.
You are complaining about us changing the way we talk in a virtual chat in a game. It's called adapting to environment and being crafty. We do what's needed to gather intelligence and evidence, if it doesn't succeed we move on, if it succeeds we make a court case. You making posts and arguing with no base about how we do undercover duty won't change anything.
I don't think you saw an FBI undercover agent 
What you might've seen is an non undercover Agent with a new name just doing his duty unmarked.

Yeah, Sure.

[Cofiliano]

As for a new topic, can we now discuss how "lame" (-Jov) it is to suicide and pull death cards because your shitting yourself as a result of a court case. Clearly avoiding rp opportunity! Or is this acceptable and the purest form of RP, please clarify, thank you.

I'm sorry, who's shitting himself as a result of a court case?

 And why do you not reply on your personal account, yet you're using an official account of the FBI for arguing in a non official topic?