Tentative: Premium System

[Teddy]

Developers be like

more realistic:



xD I've actually woken up in the middle of the night with an idea, coded it and went back to bed. I don't think ever for Argonath, but a few times for client projects

[Luke]

xD I've actually woken up in the middle of the night with an idea, coded it and went back to bed. I don't think ever for Argonath, but a few times for client projects

why no fap?

[Teddy]

why no fap?

Well I'm very selective on the times for that.

[Fuzzy]

Developers be like

[Carlito.S]

I like Fuzzy's idea of a premium ass reward.

I spend my money on stupid shit as it is, I know how this will go....

I agree with that Luke...

[Comrade]

Lmfao, is this for real?

[Norrage]

Premium system? Seriously?

[Exterminator]

Premium system? Seriously?

I can't believe Gandalf would have ever approved such a thing.

[Teddy]

I can't believe Gandalf would have ever approved such a thing.

He did fully approve of this.

[Nathan]

I don't like this, at all.

I see where this is coming from, and what's it's for. I see that the world tends to move into a subscription model as well, but that being said, for Argonath, I don't think it's the right move.

[Norrage]

He did fully approve of this.

Oh, you.

[LeHott]

At least add something worth paying for, tbh I wouldn't spend $1 irl when I can namechange for $10000 ig.

pls sell unbans too

You get 5 namechanges, that's worth $50000 ARD.

It takes me a few minutes to earn $1 IRL, but it'd take me hours to earn $50000. I'd rather spend the time it'd take me to earn 50k on earning a few hundred RL dollars and then come in-game, and pay one dollar.

But then, again, I didn't play SAMP for months so I don't know what's the situation.

[Comrade]

Seeing as it is a bit too late (or early) for April's Fools, I am bound to take this post seriously. And if it is serious, what the fuck has HQ been smoking?

One.
No matter how you put it, this Premium System gives a social and gameplay advantage to the player who pays. Following your example of a set percentage higher notoriety gain through the use of titles, a paying player can earn access to restricted weaponry faster than a non-paying player (not to mention recover it should the paying player die with a bounty on their head, losing it all). Likewise, a player with a title which is unobtainable without paying real money gives off a status image, and thus - in a way - it elevates the paying player's social rank in the community over a non-paying member. This literally splits the community into two types of people: paying and non-paying. Now you may think this is insignificant, but it is not. Today we have this, tomorrow we could have a completely different monster on our hands. Will you allow the trade of Premium items between players in the future, effectively letting people buy in-game money with real money? Will you add new, premium-only /wear items to increase the roleplay immersion of paying players? Maybe give them big, golden combat shotguns so they can properly show of their big dicks in-game, right? The community has to stand up against this kind of shit before developers start pushing it further and further, this is not fucking good.

Two.
What kind of example does this set to new players? They enter the server, they see people running around with titles and buffs that they can only gain through paying real world money. Many of our players are underage with parents that prohibit them from paying online, other players may live in countries with weaker economy to the point where a subscription could be potentially ten times as expensive as for a player in, say, Scandinavia. Of course this is limited to just "weak" buffs and "cosmetic" status symbols, but as I pointed out in my first point, it creates a divide in the community, and new players may leave because they may feel like they can never catch up in status and ability to the old veterans, regardless how insignificant these Premium perks actually are.

Three.
Before you started thinking about whether or not this could work in Argonath, or whether or not you should implement it, did you think about whether or not Argonath actually needs this? Really, stop and think hard for a second. Does this even remotely belong in Argonath? What you are doing, in essence, is offering perks for people that give a monthly donation. This goes directly against the Argonath Vision. Gandalf, if you are reading this and have approved of this, please do tell so right here. I simply cannot believe that Gandalf is in on this, he of all people should be striving to preserve the vision, not disregard it.

2.  Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.

3.  Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.

5.  Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community

This brings nothing good to our community and absolutely shits on the Argonath Vision we've had for ten years now. Something like this coming out right after the 10th anniversary is frankly an insult to the community and a big embarrassment from the HQ.
Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit "Premium" system. It never has and never will have place in Argonath RPG.

[Norrage]

Seeing as it is a bit too late (or early) for April's Fools, I am bound to take this post seriously. And if it is serious, what the fuck has HQ been smoking?

One.
No matter how you put it, this Premium System gives a social and gameplay advantage to the player who pays. Following your example of a set percentage higher notoriety gain through the use of titles, a paying player can earn access to restricted weaponry faster than a non-paying player (not to mention recover it should the paying player die with a bounty on their head, losing it all). Likewise, a player with a title which is unobtainable without paying real money gives off a status image, and thus - in a way - it elevates the paying player's social rank in the community over a non-paying member. This literally splits the community into two types of people: paying and non-paying. Now you may think this is insignificant, but it is not. Today we have this, tomorrow we could have a completely different monster on our hands. Will you allow the trade of Premium items between players in the future, effectively letting people buy in-game money with real money? Will you add new, premium-only /wear items to increase the roleplay immersion of paying players? Maybe give them big, golden combat shotguns so they can properly show of their big dicks in-game, right? The community has to stand up against this kind of shit before developers start pushing it further and further, this is not fucking good.

Two.
What kind of example does this set to new players? They enter the server, they see people running around with titles and buffs that they can only gain through paying real world money. Many of our players are underage with parents that prohibit them from paying online, other players may live in countries with weaker economy to the point where a subscription could be potentially ten times as expensive as for a player in, say, Scandinavia. Of course this is limited to just "weak" buffs and "cosmetic" status symbols, but as I pointed out in my first point, it creates a divide in the community, and new players may leave because they may feel like they can never catch up in status and ability to the old veterans, regardless how insignificant these Premium perks actually are.

Three.
Before you started thinking about whether or not this could work in Argonath, or whether or not you should implement it, did you think about whether or not Argonath actually needs this? Really, stop and think hard for a second. Does this even remotely belong in Argonath? What you are doing, in essence, is offering perks for people that give a monthly donation. This goes directly against the Argonath Vision. Gandalf, if you are reading this and have approved of this, please do tell so right here. I simply cannot believe that Gandalf is in on this, he of all people should be striving to preserve the vision, not disregard it.

This brings nothing good to our community and absolutely shits on the Argonath Vision we've had for ten years now. Something like this coming out right after the 10th anniversary is frankly an insult to the community and a big embarrassment from the HQ.
Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit "Premium" system. It never has and never will have place in Argonath RPG.

Thank you, I was too lazy to type exactly what you said right here.

[Younes]

You get 5 namechanges, that's worth $50000 ARD.

It takes me a few minutes to earn $1 IRL, but it'd take me hours to earn $50000. I'd rather spend the time it'd take me to earn 50k on earning a few hundred RL dollars and then come in-game, and pay one dollar.

And how exactly will that benifit Argonath? It will be more like a pay2win game, this will not be on favor of players, playerbase, and especially roleplay at all

I honestly don't know why such a step was approved by Gandalf. I fully unsupport it. It is not a good idea.. not in Argonath.