Bomb blast in Manhatten

[Rusty]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/

Atleast 29 injured unknown if anyone has died. Second device found four blocks away.  Situation still developing.

Footage of the blast is on YouTube already look it up if that's your thing.

[Rusty]

No links pointing to terror groups as of yet at least what's being reported.   There was a pipe bomb that went off earlier in the day in New Jersey near a run supporting US Marines.

Police investigating a third supposed site of interest but unclear if it's another device.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/18/several-injured-after-explosion-in-manhattan

[Solis]

The usual suspects.

NY and NJ bombings: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/19/police-capture-ahmad-khan-rahami-suspect-ny-nj-bombings/

Minnesota stabbings: http://www.startribune.com/st-cloud-mall-closed-until-monday-is-crime-scene-after-stabbings/393872071/

[Bogomil]

Imagine a world without religions... There are going to be wars, but definitely not to vendicate the thesis of your imaginary friends used to manipulate the world for thousand years.

[TiMoN]

Associating terrorism with Islam is wrong.
Failing to acknowledge that many terrorists are of Islamic background is even more wrong.

Can we just agree on this and move on?

[Khm]

Associating terrorism with Islam is wrong.
Failing to acknowledge that many terrorists are of Islamic background is even more wrong.

Can we just agree on this and move on?

Yes, many but not all.

[TheGreasyChopper]

Associating terrorism with Islam is wrong.
Failing to acknowledge that many terrorists are of Islamic background is even more wrong.

Can we just agree on this and move on?

This this and THIS. That's what I've been trying to say in all the previous posts and previous topics. Terrorism isn't solely islamist, nor are all muslims islamists.

Yes, many but not all.

Exactly, thing is most people think that pointing this out means hate toward ALL muslims and jump up and speak up against this statement. Just because not every muslim is an islamist does not mean these "black sheep" should be neglected. Instead of the "not all muslims" argument and calling people "racist" or "islamophobes", people should work together to get rid of this plague that is islamist terror and aggression. Everyone should fight against it, muslims, christians, europeans, americans, atheists. I'm glad that some people here actually realize what's going on and I urge you to spread this.

[jovanca]

This this and THIS. That's what I've been trying to say in all the previous posts and previous topics. Terrorism isn't solely islamist, nor are all muslims islamists.

Exactly, thing is most people think that pointing this out means hate toward ALL muslims and jump up and speak up against this statement. Just because not every muslim is an islamist does not mean these "black sheep" should be neglected. Instead of the "not all muslims" argument and calling people "racist" or "islamophobes", people should work together to get rid of this plague that is islamist terror and aggression. Everyone should fight against it, muslims, christians, europeans, americans, atheists. I'm glad that some people here actually realize what's going on and I urge you to spread this.

nah, that's what we've been telling you. you kept talking how refugees have no right to enter europe, you've been there before them and shit like that lol.

[Kessu]

Behave yourselves. You have been warned.

[Khm]

Exactly, thing is most people think that pointing this out means hate toward ALL muslims and jump up and speak up against this statement. Just because not every muslim is an islamist does not mean these "black sheep" should be neglected. Instead of the "not all muslims" argument and calling people "racist" or "islamophobes", people should work together to get rid of this plague that is islamist terror and aggression. Everyone should fight against it, muslims, christians, europeans, americans, atheists. I'm glad that some people here actually realize what's going on and I urge you to spread this.

After the WW2 when most of the Arab countries got their independence from Europe, they removed all kinds of religious education and the reason of this is "why stick to old education why dont we follow Europeans and Americans in science and shit" which led to create illegal extremist schools and the poor thinking and misunderstanding of simple words. This is the major reason to why we see groups like ISIS. So instead of adding science maths and stuff in the mix, they completely wiped the Islamic education and made people completely forget what's the difference between "strike the woman" and "hit the woman".
So rather than bombing and killing all the terrorists and sit, we have to educate the future generations the real Islamic and Sharia laws.

[TheGreasyChopper]

nah, that's what we've been telling you. you kept talking how refugees have no right to enter europe, you've been there before them and shit like that lol.

Never was I against people who enter Europe legally, work here and integrate. But that's not the case in many of them. The only actual "refugees" that Europe can shelter are Ukrainians. They have no right to come here illegally and enforce their laws and religion onto us. If you have a real passport and pass the borders through checkpoints and your papers turn out right, you're more than welcome. But how many of them actually do that? 20-30%?

After the WW2 when most of the Arab countries got their independence from Europe, they removed all kinds of religious education and the reason of this is "why stick to old education why dont we follow Europeans and Americans in science and shit" which led to create illegal extremist schools and the poor thinking and misunderstanding of simple words. This is the major reason to why we see groups like ISIS. So instead of adding science maths and stuff in the mix, they completely wiped the Islamic education and made people completely forget what's the difference between "strike the woman" and "hit the woman".
So rather than bombing and killing all the terrorists and sit, we have to educate the future generations the real Islamic and Sharia laws.

Islamic and Sharia Laws as written in the Quran and the Hadits are old and prone to misinterpretation. The best way to get rid of all that is a Reformation. And for this all muslims must sit down and discuss it, see the flaws and fix them. Returning to what it was in the 7th Century can turn out badly, as after them showing up, Muhammad's Caliphate spread through war and aggression, along with spreading the word and people accepting it. (For example - Christians in Palestine or the Zoroastrians in Persia). Sadly, with people like the Wahabis and ISIS(or other Islamist terror groups), this might turn out to be really hard. We need to get rid of them first, striking back and fighting their influence over other muslims.

[Khm]

Islamic and Sharia Laws as written in the Quran and the Hadits are old and prone to misinterpretation. The best way to get rid of all that is a Reformation. And for this all muslims must sit down and discuss it, see the flaws and fix them. Returning to what it was in the 7th Century can turn out badly, as after them showing up, Muhammad's Caliphate spread through war and aggression, along with spreading the word and people accepting it. (For example - Christians in Palestine or the Zoroastrians in Persia). Sadly, with people like the Wahabis and ISIS(or other Islamist terror groups), this might turn out to be really hard. We need to get rid of them first, striking back and fighting their influence over other muslims.

Religions mustn't be reformed, else we will see cases like Christianity and Judaism where their books have a lot of flaws and contradictories. Moreover, it was already discussed before and made it easier for people to understand with the other branches of Sunnah (Madhhab al Maliki, Hanbali etc..) so people should rather teach their kids instead of letting them naive and easy to manipulate. Because in Islam, the Quran was sent to the Prophet (Peace be upon him) by Gabriel (an angel in Islam and the holy spirit in Christianity) from God. And then the prophet recited what he received to his trusted writers to save the Quran from being edited by some human somehow and share it to the other people to learn to read and understand the concept of the religion.

[Julio.]

Gabriel (an angel in Islam and the holy spirit in Christianity)

We do have the Angel Gabriel in Christianity, he's different to the holy spirit.

[Younes]

Religions mustn't be reformed,

Exactly. You cannot reform it, it will never be reformed whatever happens. What it has is correct, and is not old at all, but some people misunderstand it. They hear from some corrupted-minded people who have nothing to do with it, and they start spreading it. If you go against them, they will not listen to you as they already were taught that.

[SugarD]

Topic cleaned. If I have to remove people's posts again, people will start getting muted. This topic is not an excuse to break the forum rules and attack each other over your beliefs or cultural differences. Be mature or this will stay locked.