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Guys, don't tap each other on the shoulder if the suspect still didn't respawn.
Saying things like "Good job" "Good work" etc while they are still near you is like you are rubbing it in their nose "WE F. PWNED U!!1!"

And try to avoid going full YOLO, hug-suspects-face with the shotguns
Its both unreliable and not really fancy.. not sure if people get it, but you can also roleplay while shooting. Take cover, use pistol.. have fun with it


Nice video, bit long :p




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Thnx bro for sharing the video
Okay mihail ill follow ur advices thnx ^^



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Be careful with these car mods too, they most likely change wheelbase, collisions, and center of mass in the .wft file. In other words, it changes the way the car drives/handles, and that is not allowed on the server, you can get banned for that.

Other than that, nice video.


Now on the RP side, let me say it was half stupid. It was all nice until you guys decide the hostage is not worth it (wtf?).

You guys spent a lot of time trying to get the hostage alive only to royally fuck it up in the end to chase the 400 dollars you get when you kill a suspect.
This has been an ongoing problem with any RP that has law force involved.

We negotiated, the negotiator accepted our terms, so all he had to do was do what he promised to say and the hostage would stay alive. He didn't even really try negotiate and change the terms.

Instead, you guys completely ignored that part and went ahead, disregarding your fellow partner's life. That's a huge fail. As Owais said, you guys lost the hostage - which was the WHOLE POINT OF THE RP.

Then you guys complain about how criminals dont RP - this video clearly shows why criminals don't do it- because they know the law force just wants to reduce it to a deathmatch to get the 200 dollars of each suspect and be done with it, regardless of all the other possible ways it could end, with the hostage ALIVE.

And as Mihail told me after this, I will never accept any RP where I get suspected. Seems like the best solution. Keep in mind I got invited by someone from the LCPD to join and be part of this RP, it wasn't something random. But then I bet most of you guys wouldn't even bother doing it, "because hes not a suspect".

TL;DR: You guys need to stop finishing every RP with a deathmatch fest - especially when you guys start it (would be understandable if it was actually the suspects who started it).
It's a shit thing to do, very anti RP and is exactly what the server doesn't need.


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@rid nailed it

I do realize that lot of criminals simply don't care about RP (Since 2013 the only TRUE group who brought NEW STUFF was one and after that everybody just followed doing it their way, fucking up even more the delicate cops vs criminals situations) which lead to this retarded mentality from both sides. There are people who look for decent roleplay where they are given that "freedom" to do their actions without being shot down for no fucking reason because you need cash. I can see guns are always the first option for the majority of officers/fbi agents (i don't give a crap if you feel offended, you represent the law enforcement groups in a very wrong way) in every scenario (traffic stops included).
I once said less /su more fun and i still agree with it, whenever you get the orange blip, may it be for refusing to pay a ticket fine or evading law enforcement there will be always someone with the shotgun shouting "/GU OR DIE, /GU SIR PLS" instead of trying to interact with you, spamming somebody to /gu is not roleplay, you're being lazy over a game where you are supposed to interact.
Nevertheless i don't think anything will ever change unless you all start to accept criticism from criminals, if you really care about improving you will also stop refusing to roleplay whenever a situation doesn't suit you (e.g. copper lawbreaking off-duty and taking out tons of excuses when a freecop tries to pull him over or criminals running for the whole town and abusing the desynced shooting to get away =D)


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Hello rid
well first i want to say that we follow the commanders orders as u know, between u requested a very big amount of money as i heard on radio which we cant give it, anyway i respect ur commants and ur remarks   :)  ;)



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Be careful with these car mods too, they most likely change wheelbase, collisions, and center of mass in the .wft file. In other words, it changes the way the car drives/handles, and that is not allowed on the server, you can get banned for that.

Other than that, nice video.


Now on the RP side, let me say it was half stupid. It was all nice until you guys decide the hostage is not worth it (wtf?).

You guys spent a lot of time trying to get the hostage alive only to royally fuck it up in the end to chase the 400 dollars you get when you kill a suspect.
This has been an ongoing problem with any RP that has law force involved.

We negotiated, the negotiator accepted our terms, so all he had to do was do what he promised to say and the hostage would stay alive. He didn't even really try negotiate and change the terms.

Instead, you guys completely ignored that part and went ahead, disregarding your fellow partner's life. That's a huge fail. As Owais said, you guys lost the hostage - which was the WHOLE POINT OF THE RP.

Then you guys complain about how criminals dont RP - this video clearly shows why criminals don't do it- because they know the law force just wants to reduce it to a deathmatch to get the 200 dollars of each suspect and be done with it, regardless of all the other possible ways it could end, with the hostage ALIVE.

And as Mihail told me after this, I will never accept any RP where I get suspected. Seems like the best solution. Keep in mind I got invited by someone from the LCPD to join and be part of this RP, it wasn't something random. But then I bet most of you guys wouldn't even bother doing it, "because hes not a suspect".

TL;DR: You guys need to stop finishing every RP with a deathmatch fest - especially when you guys start it (would be understandable if it was actually the suspects who started it).
It's a shit thing to do, very anti RP and is exactly what the server doesn't need.

I can tell you the LCPD will focus alot more on roleplay in the coming months. Please do note this does not include freecops as they are not a part of the LCPD.

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Hello rid
well first i want to say that we follow the commanders orders as u know, between u requested a very big amount of money as i heard on radio which we cant give it, anyway i respect ur commants and ur remarks   :)  ;)

What was the amount of money requested? I wasn't there (game crashed). Either way, that is when the negotiator should *negotiate*. Instead he was "ok" and bam.

I know we requested money and a safe exit. There was no attempt whatsoever in changing the requests to suit the law force's best interests. You guys didn't even ask if it could be just "RP money" (so not actual scripted money, just pretend we got away with it) or just a safe exit, anything.

Instead you guys thought that risking your partner's life and ending the roleplay that was actually going nicely with a shit DM fest was worth it (it wasn't, and your dead officer shows up for it. More casualties on the law force side than criminals).

Other cops must also question the commanders orders and ask them if he is actually sure of it, not just blindly follow the orders all the time - there can be mistakes or things that the commander overlooks. And on a flimsy situation like this where an officer's life was at risk, I think it would only be smart to think twice.

Last but not least, don't forget to remove these car mods I am pretty sure it's changing how the cars drive (even if only slightly), and you know that is not allowed on the server.


I can tell you the LCPD will focus alot more on roleplay in the coming months. Please do note this does not include freecops as they are not a part of the LCPD.

Perhaps that can be solved if the "no suspect if its a planned RP" thing kicks off (Mihail's suggestion, not exactly these words, he can probably explain it better, and possibly add exceptions or something), otherwise there may be a possibility of freecops disrupting the roleplay.

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Last but not least, don't forget to remove these car mods I am pretty sure it's changing how the cars drive (even if only slightly), and you know that is not allowed on the server.

well dont worry about modes , cause if there were any changes i would remove them btw i ask admin every time about this



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There are two options, one "okay" and one good

1. Either you suspect but avoid direct shooting instead you roleplay it by intentionally missing/roleplay jailing/roleplay evading.
  • Roleplay shoutout - Shooting with use of i.e. Q/bugged Z-sync/Firing at range that exceeds effectiveness of the weapon etc. Winner decided by /dice or mutual agreement over /em
  • Roleplay jailing - You did /suspect at the start of roleplay, you agreed from both sides to roleplay jailing.. drag the suspect physically to jail at Alderney and unsuspect him or do admin-jail for 1 minute just for sake of it
  • Roleplay evading - i.e. Suspects asked for a getaway car and clearance of 5 km.. they get to a random location and leave suspect after which they send through the message where is the target and get unsuspected


2. You agree to direct shooting with "contract" that is connected to all who are on the scene. If  you kill all the officers you get /cs, if they win.. they get their prize and tap on the shoulder or whatever.

Thing is.. now again, instead of face-hugging the targets with shotguns and whatever, do try to shoot from a distance with different variety of weapons.. to make it at least interesting DM and not obvious one. The difference of this compared to option 1 roleplay shooting is that here you are actually shooting to kill rather than just shooting to have sounds haha



Any of this can end up with plain evading if you really want the chase.. but at least try to have fun before that lel



 


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