[Denied] Witch's banned by Rat

[ahmedXD]

Your in-game name: Witch

Your account name: Cups
Ban reason as was stated in-game: Modifed handling
Admin who banned you: Rat
When you were banned: 7th jun

Reason why you did it: Just wanted to respond on your comment.

First off for everyone reading here, I joined with 0$ after being unbanned, started as a new player and worked for houses fireman/medic I managed to buy a cheap house 30k, made enough money to buy rs for full price 152k

Didnt get any help, didnt own any business.

When ramis got banned, as being the business manager i was talking to about10panda and told him that the businesses can still be runned by me, then you guys banned me and called me greedy blindly.

If I have been greedy I would like the evidence, chatlog to be present.
I waited for months and months to play, believe me im very patient.

Now lets get back to facts and present me with the proof.

Also I read all rules again and even wiki rules, I cant find any rules stating that once you own a business and start making money you will be marked as greedy and be banned.

Since when did this rule occur, ?why isnt joey_lucchese not banned for owning grotti, autoerotica and makes tons of cash, hell he owns all the server houses and marked them for  very high rent prices.

Making matters worse he got profits from loans, even recently car rents.
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Addtionally, 2 of our businesses is non-profit
1-Gas station
2-Electronic shop


Waiting for your kind responce, and fair evidence showing my greed.
Regards,

Addtionally:
-you opened up rs2.0 and allowed people to own infinite number of businesses , started banning people like me , ramis
My case from modifed handling to greedy(not a rulebreak,lets assume i am)

-To lucchese who own all houses marked them for rent, got bank loan system with profits, and they actually earn more than our businesss do, you didnt question them because they are your staff.

Eventually : there are server rules that I follow and respect, I never heard of Dino's personal rule or Senate's personal rule.

If you hate people for owning business and making money, remove the economic system rather than falsifiying and banning them..


Still bare with me I want the proof again of being greedy.

This ban is invalid and im 100% certain many people are questionaing the integreity put into banning me.

Prove me wrong and show the evidence here.
Regards.

[superh2o]

As you are throwing shit at Lucchese direction let me be clear.

19 Players united money time and a whole lot of effort, we built up from 0 over 2+ year time, then Joey joined our ranks, you can say all but Joey has a true business man mind set. We all invested all we had into the weed biz, we all farmed and made a network of farmers who worked with us/ for us. 18 players united gave money and weed to Joey at start for much lower prices till he gained upper rep ranks and gained better prices access, then we threw all we had into weed as we had seen the return rate of invested money. Joey now has what he has, but its not just him over pricing or something.
Its the 18 ppl who helped him make his part of the invested money and the rest who worked with or for us.

Joey entered RS2 with 8mil Lucchese money, he bought business after business and with the rest of members we made the empire we have now, our loans are what they are, we don't force players to take them who wants them he takes them, we make a offer they accept or refuse it, we supply where there is demand.

If managers think that 19 people working together is a bad thing so be it.
We are a group of friends, all 19 of us, what the 6 started 19 finished we are proud of what we did.
Being staff is no bonus of what sorts, some days i cant even drive from dpd to mgs from reports and /ask, let alone /ad Lucchese company.

[ahmedXD]

Nice history put to cover tracks of what my ban is about.
Its about just as you guys did . You cam in with some money and started owning businesses.

I get banned and its not the same for you.

Im greedy and you guys get a pass.

Id like the focus not to be towards your lucchese members..
Plz remove your flood from the topic.
Regards.

[superh2o]

This has nothing with your ban you are accusing us of something that we are not.

I had to write our story down so that none gets fooled by your claims.

If we talk about income per player you blew Joey out of the water as you too entered RS2 with millions.

We had 19 players and 10-15 workers, you were even one who did work with us.

We were a 10+ members plus the farmers group.

Im just saying this is not and never was a solo thing, its a large group.

Good luck with your unban.

[ahmedXD]

Remove your floods kindly, your abusing your rights which should be about handling ban, unban and started talking about your family members history.

[superh2o]

Sorry to rock your boat but admins have all right to reply in unban section.

[ahmedXD]

There are 2 sides of a coin mane.

Believe me no one will question what you guys are doing, either your greedy or not.

But the fact that im banned for owning businesses mainly.

During temp unban I showed my lack of interest in these businesses , literally if I stayed away for 30 days the responce will be revoked ban no interest.

If i kept playing no matter what it will be revoked.

So if its not what I believe it is, Im asking for an evidence that shows I didnt comply with what I was told.

Its not like ive been banned for 5th time, its my 2nd ban and im seeing evolving issues from handling mods to accussation of being greedy.
Lucchese is another similar example , so why there isnt a simple fair to the coin side, why you guys arent questioned for having loads of businesses and incomes. And people like me maybe even ramis and which infact he had 2 state businesses to the community with non profit.

And they call me greedy with no proof.

I'd like you to show me the proof to show why I was banned.

[ahmedXD]

As you are throwing shit at Lucchese direction let me be clear.

19 Players united money time and a whole lot of effort, we built up from 0 over 2+ year time, then Joey joined our ranks, you can say all but Joey has a true business man mind set. We all invested all we had into the weed biz, we all farmed and made a network of farmers who worked with us/ for us. 18 players united gave money and weed to Joey at start for much lower prices till he gained upper rep ranks and gained better prices access, then we threw all we had into weed as we had seen the return rate of invested money. Joey now has what he has, but its not just him over pricing or something.
Its the 18 ppl who helped him make his part of the invested money and the rest who worked with or for us.

Joey entered RS2 with 8mil Lucchese money, he bought business after business and with the rest of members we made the empire we have now, our loans are what they are, we don't force players to take them who wants them he takes them, we make a offer they accept or refuse it, we supply where there is demand.

If managers think that 19 people working together is a bad thing so be it.
We are a group of friends, all 19 of us, what the 6 started 19 finished we are proud of what we did.
Being staff is no bonus of what sorts, some days i cant even drive from dpd to mgs from reports and /ask, let alone /ad Lucchese company.

Still you didnt explain how greedness is an issue and showcased it in the rules.

Its the same act, you had millions and bought businesses and made money, I get a ban and you guys get a pass.
Its easy to knock one down than an entire 18. You got a good point.

Still its out of order and rules, im accussed for non rulebreak but rather an issue of rs2.0 itself.

You luccheses owned businesses and in the other hand me or ramis owned businesses. So different peoples on your side to own businesses. Here its 1 person or 2 so easier to target

[ahmedXD]

I follow these rules

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=62244.0
and
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?title=IV:MP_Server_Rules


Show me which rule I violated with evidence.

I follow server rules, not senate rules.

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[superh2o]

As i said this has nothing to do with your ban,i'm not familiar with terms of your ban, you will have to wait for a manager to reply.

I was just explaining how and why of  Lucchese.

[ahmedXD]

As i said this has nothing to do with your ban,i'm not familiar with terms of your ban, you will have to wait for a manager to reply.

I was just explaining how and why of  Lucchese.

Ok mane if you're not familiar with my ban, its better not to reply.
Regards.

[ahmedXD]

I follow these rules

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=62244.0
and
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?title=IV:MP_Server_Rules


Show me which rule I violated with evidence.

I follow server rules, not senate rules.

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[Bert]

Cups,Wake up, Do you really think we would ban you for owning busnisess etc, Don't be so stupid and stop blaming others, You had a chance to improve yourself, You didn't now you will have to deal with the consequences, See you in 3 months.

[ahmedXD]

Now after you returned me to the server, I started from 0, like a new player playing fireman/medic like everyone else.

You want me to be like a brick doing nothing, what do you expect.

You made this server to have people sit doing nothing?

This is a goal in playing, I started again with nothing and had a goal in buying a vehicle and I bought it..
After countlessly playing and earning money. From scratch.


Still though I didnt violate any rules that leads to a ban.

What do you mean about improving?
What did I not improve in myself?

Bert I want you to define what is your defination to improve yourself?

What is the checklist to imrpove yourself ?

You want me to be a brick player doing nothing but doing your staff jobs in helping players, what is the criteria to this requirement ?

And if bert you had a response to my improvement , where are the points that should have been given to me

On what bases are you questioning my improvement based on what ?

[ahmedXD]

Topic has gotten out of control, from admins gotten to irrelevant responces to what im aiming for.

I'd like any of the HQ members
Dino,Senate,Tand, Armelin and james_conway

To show me the rule I violated from


http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=62244.0
and
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?title=IV:MP_Server_Rules

And provide the evidence
From may 20- to jun 7th

Straight up show me the rule I violated and the evidence, dont go around in circles.