Allow VCPD Command to deal with ARPD Officers

[Huntsman]

Hello there,

This has been discussed several times between me, Sevrin and the server leader, but they were very strict about not providing the VCPD Command with the ability to copban officers as "it is an administrative punishment and will stay that way", despite it being granted to other ARPD departments, somehow.

The reason why I am posting this is because I think that civilian/criminal side will agree that VCPD needs to be given a way to deal with misbehaving ARPD officers, seeing how contacting administration is not always effective and takes prolonged response, which usually extends the time period during which the players expierience is ruined.

VCPD needs to have a way to deal with rule-breaking freecops. It does not neccessarily have to be a cop-ban command. Me and Sevrin have been suggesting the idea that /suspend command is implemented, where the officer is able to get on duty, but does not have Access to weapons and vehicles.

Sure, we do have /discharge, but it usually turns us into a laughing stock rather than being any real punishment. We discharge the officer, suspect him to prevent him from just getting on duty again, he either dies or suicides and then gets on duty again and we end up spamming the /discharge command with the arpd officer in question taunting us.

Please discuss - would you support VCPD getting more effective measures of dealing with misbehaving ARPD Officers?

[Kowalski.]

Supported. I have seen this in person and this would be effective for the VCPD.

[Kessu]

ARPD officers are not under VCPD command, unlike in other servers.

VCPD officers will never get copban, unlike in other servers.

Our admins are active enough to handle 90% of the rulebreaks in the server and those random situations when none of us is capable of coming in-game after you call us is just something that can't be helped.

/discharge, /sus and insta-killing the suspect would work in the case of deathmatching and they would then need to run all the way back to a PD just for the previous situation to repeat itself.

Also do remember that you have /uncrime, so you can uncrime civilians who defended themselves / others from a DMing cop while an admin was not online (which, again, is a rather rare situation when none of us are available over discord).

Remember; best way to make a DMer leave is to show him he has no skills.

[Klaus]

Well said Kessu. This will not be implemented.

[James Conway]

ARPD officers are not under VCPD command, unlike in other servers.

VCPD officers will never get copban, unlike in other servers.

Sorry for the intrusion in the VCMP section, but IVMP does not have copban for officers either and LCPD officers are also not responsible for freecops/ARPD officers. So I guess only SAMP has it?

[Tyrone.]

Sorry for the intrusion in the VCMP section, but IVMP does not have copban for officers either and LCPD officers are also not responsible for freecops/ARPD officers. So I guess only SAMP has it?

SAMP Copban as fuck .Doesnt matter ARPD Officer or SAPD lol

[William Carter]

If a freecop committed a law break, why involve admins if it was done rply 

[Kessu]

Sorry for the intrusion in the VCMP section, but IVMP does not have copban for officers either and LCPD officers are also not responsible for freecops/ARPD officers. So I guess only SAMP has it?

I stand corrected, thanks

If a freecop committed a law break, why involve admins if it was done rply 

This feature isn't asked for doing crimes, but outright deathmatching with given duty weapons which is an administrative issue.

[William Carter]

This feature isn't asked for doing crimes, but outright deathmatching with given duty weapons which is an administrative issue.

Dmers should be punished by administrators, they should not get cop banned for dming. /copban is used for rp i suppose. Why not give the /copban for VCPD high ranked members? only for Role play reason they can copban  same as samp.

[Tyrone.]

Dmers should be punished by administrators, they should not get cop banned for dming. /copban is used for rp i suppose. Why not give the /copban for VCPD high ranked members? only for Role play reason they can copban  same as samp.

You think they are taking  badges while copbanning? No. Sometimes they are sometimes they are copbanning on the field without RP interaction.

[Kessu]

Copban is an administrative punishment, not a roleplay one. Atleast in our server.

It is given to players who refuse to play within the rules as a cop, but that does not mean that the cops will get copbanned instead of tempbanned if a civilian were to receive a tempban.

[SkyNet_10]

A copban is done to temporarily suspend a LEO from duty for a period of time as for a punishment to him, example is corruption, why would it be handled by admins?

[William Carter]

You think they are taking  badges while copbanning? No. Sometimes they are sometimes they are copbanning on the field without RP interaction.

That's a lie. SAPD do not copban officers without a rp reason, unless that officer abuses his powers.
 

A copban is done to temporarily suspend a LEO from duty for a period of time as for a punishment to him, example is corruption, why would it be handled by admins?

   

[Huntsman]

Well,

VCPD does have /discharge, which kicks the Officer out of cop duty on the spot, but yet, he's allowed to just go to the police station and get back in. What we do to prevent it is /discharge the cop and suspect him for corruption to prevent him going on duty. Though, not having /copban is a huge problem not much  as for dealing with rulebreaking cops, but as it strips VCPD away of the opportunity to issue roleplayed suspensions for VCPD members.

[James Conway]

ARPD officers are not under VCPD command, unlike in other servers.

If the ranked officers have no power over arpd officers/freecops, then a copban for them isn't necessary? Because a ranked officer can be kicked out the department for corruption, in other words demotion/fired. That would be an example of being kicked in a roleplay manner for corruption. In IVMP a copban is publicly announced in big red letters just as an ajail, tempban and a warning. That sounds more like a administrative punishment, because a cop is abusing his duty rights to break the server rules. Corruption should be dealt with in a roleplay manner then, like /su'ing them (if ranked officers can suspect freecops) or sueing them in court or kicking a ranked officer out of the department.