Red Phosphorus ad clarification

[Khm]

That's my opinion too but it was always considered illegal so I can't do anything about it.

I was talking generally in most countries in real life.

I'm not the one who set the rule.

[djole]

That's my opinion too but it was always considered illegal so I can't do anything about it.

it was NEVER considered illegal


also idk how u all missed what was literally the second post in the topic

it's not classified as illegal in the constitution, so it's not illegal to advertise sale of it.

what's written in the constitution is the only thing that matters when discussing whether or not something is illegal... cos u know... that's where that stuff is very clearly outlined and defined. this is rly a pointless discussion, as there's nothing to discuss... it's all pretty clear lol

[Arslan]

You might want to get your facts straight. The ad clearly said it was intended to use the items for meth production. Who are you guys trying to fool?

Made this after getting a banana for saying it is legal. 

Stivi you made a valid point, guns are legal to sell but red phosphorus isn't. 

One more thing: Matchsticks aren't only made of red phosphorus (hi bogomil)

Exactly the point im making. I am selling an ingredient used to make many things which quite frankly, you are refusing you understand.

this is rly a pointless discussion, as there's nothing to discuss... it's all pretty clear lol

Tell that to officer Ikhm/Kyle.

[jovanca]

Lol you guys obviously dont understand how things work here. If admin says its illegal then it is illegal, regardless of rules, common sense and anything else.

I also have to mention that 'illegal' (aka against the law) and 'against the rules' are not the same thing. admins oftenly decide to handle both the same way tho

Also to those who compare /ad to irl advertising, for fucks sake this is a game. There isn't a person to observe and allow/deny ads so the only suitable solution is to have LE groups handle both illegal and 'fake' legal ads. Or just continue letting staff make up rules and handle roleplay matters with admin commands

[Stivi]

Stivi you made a valid point, guns are legal to sell but red phosphorus isn't. 

hi Arslan, that was ignored :|

[Julio.]

There isn't a person to observe and allow/deny ads so the only suitable solution is to have LE groups handle both illegal and 'fake' legal ads.

This'd work I think. No idea why historically this hasn't been the case.

[Matt Murdock]

Made this after getting a banana for saying it is legal. 

Neth is a very lazy way to try to hide the real purpose. Be more creative.

Exactly the point im making. I am selling an ingredient used to make many things which quite frankly, you are refusing you understand.
 Tell that to officer Ikhm/Kyle.

Since you mention my name. I was only someone delivering the message, it is not something that I grabbed out of thin air.

In fact, I was the one to tell you to create a topic about it so it can be brought up to the server management. And since you were too lazy to do it yourself :



It is not illegal because Khm, or I, or a third admin / helper / player deems it to be. It is illegal because it is deemed illegal by the script. Thus until that is cleared it is not allowed to make such advertisements on the server.

However, I totally support the idea of legalizing this in a proper way. By the way, even in IRL, you cannot just go and purchase some chemicals, labs need to show certification and only they can acquire it.

It is not only match sticks that red phosphorus can produce, but it has way more uses like producing smoke bombs. 

https://sciencing.com/red-phosphorus-for-5595849.html

[Matt Murdock]

EDIT:
Red Phosphorus can also be used to make Matchsticks, does that make Matchsticks illegal as well? C'mon, this argument is useless.

You grabbed it the wrong way. 

/recipes show you need matchsticks which you buy from a 24X7, to craft red phosphorus. You cannot make Matchsticks on Argonath. 

And yes, it is a rather illegal way to obtain a chemical. A lot like street children using adhesive and cough syrups to get high, and cough syrups are banned in multiple countries due to that, or require a prescription.

[Stivi]

Neth is a very lazy way to try to hide the real purpose. Be more creative.

So is math. But nobody says shit about it.

It is not illegal because Khm, or I, or a third admin / helper / player deems it to be. It is illegal because it is deemed illegal by the script. Thus until that is cleared it is not allowed to make such advertisements on the server.

You see that flawed logic you use? Or do I have to bold it out for you?

So here's why I think that was placed there: Red Phosphorus is something you get at the black market, you don't sell that a normal market. Otherwise, what's the point of a black market? Hmmm??

Oh, and to add, Teddy is the one who made Market (if he didn't he was in charge of the dev team anyway, no?) Now when he added RPGs, he made them illegal in the constitution, and he did that because any dev leader/HQ member has that power, and ultimately it has to be approved by Gandalf as the president, but the constitution has, since the release of meth, been updated multiple times, by Marcel too, so if those were illegal he would have added them, no? Enough with this script made it illegal bullshit. If it's otherwise stated in the constitution, it is legal.

[Arslan]

Neth is a very lazy way to try to hide the real purpose. Be more creative.
Since you mention my name. I was only someone delivering the message, it is not something that I grabbed out of thin air.

In fact, I was the one to tell you to create a topic about it so it can be brought up to the server management. And since you were too lazy to do it yourself :



It is not illegal because Khm, or I, or a third admin / helper / player deems it to be. It is illegal because it is deemed illegal by the script. Thus until that is cleared it is not allowed to make such advertisements on the server.

However, I totally support the idea of legalizing this in a proper way. By the way, even in IRL, you cannot just go and purchase some chemicals, labs need to show certification and only they can acquire it.

It is not only match sticks that red phosphorus can produce, but it has way more uses like producing smoke bombs. 

https://sciencing.com/red-phosphorus-for-5595849.html

Neth was used to demonstrate the stupidity of the rule that it is illegal and not to show creativity. I mean its accepted when I more obviously advertise it to be used for meth rather than it being sold alone as a chemical. Who cares what it is or isn't by script, it is wrong for it to be illegal.

I don't think HQ needs to create a think tank to deal with this issue, its pretty simple. A simple sentence saying it should be legal will end the argument.

It is not only match sticks that red phosphorus can produce, but it has way more uses like producing smoke bombs. 

So are a 100 other things, what's your point?

[Matt Murdock]

So are a 100 other things, what's your point?

I even provided a picture tutorial along with description yet you failed to get the point.

Now I would gladly go and curate a Udemy tutorial for you, but fortunately it is not my job.

[Julio.]

Sometimes I think people lose sight of what does or doesn't matter  For the sake of ending an argument though, it'd be good if either:
A) A judge amends the constitution to confirm the item is illegal
or
B) A scripter makes the multiple changes to the script to reflect it being legal...

[Stivi]

A) A judge amends the constitution to confirm the item is illegal
B) A scripter makes the multiple changes to the script to reflect it being legal...

Sure, we do have those options, but we previously had the option of a scripter also making the changes to the constitution, and they didn't. Also, as it is, Arslan got punished for something false, as the item is LEGAL. As a dev yourself, would you easier create a list of things you can't and display their message, or create multiple list for various messages? While, the message itself can be changed to "You can't sell that here." would be better ;P

[Khm]

Arslan got punished for something false, as the item is LEGAL.

That's bullshit he wasn't punished for the ad he was simply told to not ad for it, he got a banana for his provocative attitude towards a community member.

[Stivi]

That's bullshit he wasn't punished for the ad he was simply told to not ad for it

Sure, not very aware of what happened... but being told not ad for it is wrong too.