[Discussion] Law enforcement ordinance

[PulseEffect]

An issue in Klaus v Vercetti has opened up the question of whether or not VCPD and the Courts should be entitled to roleplay copban ARPD Officers, in this ordinance I had assumed that VCPD and Courts would be entitled to copban ARPD Officers and had made provisions to that effect.

If we do decide to allow ARPD Officers to face copban, should they also have the threat of a complaints procedure?, which may be resolved faster than a court case. Questions questions questions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

tl;dr

q1: should arpd officers be able to face complaints on arpd forums?

q2: should vcpd and court be allowed to issue suspensions aka copbans against arpd officers?

[Huntsman]

An issue in Klaus v Vercetti has opened up the question of whether or not VCPD and the Courts should be entitled to roleplay copban ARPD Officers, in this ordinance I had assumed that VCPD and Courts would be entitled to copban ARPD Officers and had made provisions to that effect.

If we do decide to allow ARPD Officers to face copban, should they also have the threat of a complaints procedure?, which may be resolved faster than a court case. Questions questions questions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

tl;dr

q1: should arpd officers be able to face complaints on arpd forums?

q2: should vcpd and court be allowed to issue suspensions aka copbans against arpd officers?

I have directed Klaus to the courts based on the fact that on several occasions when it was brought up, the Management has refused to issue the ability to copban to the VCPD, saying that it's an administrative command and will remain such, not to mention that the management refuses to grant VCPD authority over ARPD and that VCPD has completely no means to enforce such authority other than the "/discharge" command that has proven to be ineffective and simply would not work in this case. Per current system, VCPD does not deal with complaints on ARPD Officers as we are not given any command over them, therefore we usually direct these complaints to the administration. This is the first roleplay misconduct case by an ARPD Officer that I have faced since me becoming as a member of VCPD Command and therefore I am not quite sure myself where would the VCPD stand in this myself.

I am obviously in favour of granting the VCPD ability to issue copbans based on complaints. I am also in favor of surrendering the authority over ARPD to VCPD in the same manner as it's done in SAPD. I believe that by introducing some additional protocol for the VCPD Command, we are more than competent to handle such issues.

[Huntsman]

Little update on my opinion:

I think VCPD should simply become open for reports against ARPD Officers. These reports should be of roleplay nature (we obviously wouldn't handle the newbies with random rulebreaks, thats administrations job) and of general police misconduct. VCPD would investigate and then issue a punishment, that, if needed, would be carried out by administration on request.
I think this amount of VCPD's authority over ARPD should be enough
Courts should also be allowed to issue suspensions which would be carried out by the administration imo

[PulseEffect]

How I have written the ordinance is that:

ARPD Officers work for and are casually employed (freecop basically) by the Vice City Police Department -> section 7(f), section 7A & section 12(f).

It is my fundamental belief when I was writing this ordinance that ARPD Officers should come under the jurisdiction of VCPD Command Staff when doing serious police roleplay. I am unsure as to the difference between /discharge and /copban but where ARPD Officers who aren't new and reasonably know what they're doing is so severely wrong, they should be able to receive a suspension from duty for a period (maximum two weeks).

I believe that VCPD Command Staff will and should give leniency and/or teach new ARPD Officers who do wrong things as often the individuals who are going on to make mistakes in conducting police roleplay are often newcomers and they should be taught. Furthermore Court should NOT be an avenue for making court cases against newcomer ARPD Officers because one; the newcomer ARPD Officer may not even have a forum account or understand how to reply to significant court cases against them and two; they should not be expected to fully know the complicated ordinance (YES I admit this ordinance is complicated)

With regards to some individuals stating what Gandalf has stated being inapplicable to apply, it is appropriate to refer to what he decides in some circumstances as his response DOES provide reasonable and fairness to newcomers. Again compensation against newcomer ARPD Officers should not become a norm, regardless of the roleplay value.

Administration can retain powers over issuing copbans and raise their objections when it is necessary but VCPD should be given the power to order such copbans where it is appropriate.

Finally, the usage of a police report against ARPD Officers would speed up the judgement writing of this Court because; one summons against the defendant can be more easily issued, two I do not have to determine any questions of fact because VCPD Command Staff have done that already, three I merely have to determine what is appropriate in terms of remedies and punishments and four it gives VCPD Command Staff more work :3

Anyways that's my thoughts.

[Kessu]

It is my fundamental belief when I was writing this ordinance that ARPD Officers should come under the jurisdiction of VCPD Command Staff when doing serious police roleplay. I am unsure as to the difference between /discharge and /copban but where ARPD Officers who aren't new and reasonably know what they're doing is so severely wrong, they should be able to receive a suspension from duty for a period (maximum two weeks).

Maximum copban even for admins is 72 hours, if a copban was supposed to be longer we felt like the rulebreak would be strong enough to warrant a tempban instead.

This, however, will be discussed within the management. We can already agree on ARPD Officer complaints going through VCPD.

[PulseEffect]

Maximum copban even for admins is 72 hours, if a copban was supposed to be longer we felt like the rulebreak would be strong enough to warrant a tempban instead.

This, however, will be discussed within the management. We can already agree on ARPD Officer complaints going through VCPD.

The length of copban honestly isn't mine to determine because you guys as HQ will ultimately be carrying out the copbans them. Imo 2 weeks is a bit of a stretch even for me for an ARPD Officer so I'll accept 72 hours.

[Ibrahim13]

My question is how to get a court settlement? ._.

[Kessu]

My question is how to get a court settlement? ._.

You need to negotiate with the opposing party in a court case about settlement and then present it together to the judge to approve (or disapprove I guess).