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[Discussion] Law enforcement ordinance

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on: January 07, 2018, 03:42:59 pm
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Spoiler for Law Enforcement Ordinance 2018:
Law Enforcement Ordinance 2018


I, Justice Alexander Treblin, make the following Legal Ordinance.

Dated: 8 January 2018.

COURT REGISTRAR



Part 1 - Preliminary

Section 1: Name
This is the Law Enforcement Ordinance 2018.

Section 2: Commencement
This Ordinance comes into force upon the 2nd of February 2018.

Section 2A: Ordinance to bind Government
This Ordinance binds the Government in right of the State of Florida and, any other authority or Government in their other capacities.

Section 3: Authority
This Ordinance is made with the authority that the Court has to enact Legal Ordinances under section VI, ordinance IV of the Constitution.

Section 4: Purpose and Objects of Ordinance
The purpose of this ordinance is to codify and set out the internal structures, powers and other provisions relating to the conduct, duties and performance of law enforcement officials.

Section 5: Interpretation
In this Ordinance:

Command staff means the Chief of Police, any Deputy Chiefs of Police and senior law enforcement officials under section 7 who hold a position that is specified by the Chief of Police to be taken as command staff.

Commissioner means the Commissioner or Commissioners of the Argonath RPG Police Department under section 7.

Competent Court means
   (a) the Argonath Federal Court, or
   (b) the Argonath Federal Supreme Court.

Complaints handler see section 28A.

Law enforcement official has the same meaning as law enforcement under the Interim Constitution.

Permanent law enforcement official means a law enforcement official who has been employed on a permanent basis under section 15.

Police officer see section 7A.

President means the President of the United States of Argonath as established by the Interim Constitution.

Prime Minister means the Prime Minister of the United States of Argonath as established by the Interim Constitution.

Roadblock means a barrier or obstruction that would either stop or limit the normal flow of traffic on any road.


Part 2 - The Vice City Police Department

Section 6: Establishment of the Vice City Police Department
There is to be a statutory body corporate known as the the Vice City Police Department.

Section 6A: Constituent Department
To remove doubt, the Vice City Police Department is a constituent department of the Argonath RPG Police Department.

Section 7: Composition of the Vice City Police Department
The Vice City Police Department is to be comprised of:
   (a) the Commissioner or Commissioners of the Argonath RPG Police Department, and
   (b) a Chief of Police, and
   (c) any Deputy Chiefs of Police, and
   (d) senior law enforcement officials designated by the Commissioner, Chief or Deputy Chief or this ordinance, and
   (e) law enforcement officials who have been employed on a permanent basis and,
   (f) law enforcement officials who have been employed on a casual basis.

Section 7A: Members to be Police Officers
To remove doubt, any person holding a position mentioned in Section 7 shall be a police officer for the purposes of this ordinance.

Section 8: The Mission, Objects and Purpose of the Vice City Police Department
The Vice City Police Department is to
   (a) provide police services for Vice City by:
      (1) exercising the powers assigned to them in law to prevent, respond and prosecute the commission of criminal offences, and
      (2) protect the community, individuals, business and other organisations from damage whether criminal in nature or not, and
      (3) act as an emergency service by responding to any emergency incident quickly and as safely as possible, and
   (4) any other service required by them in law.
   (b) uphold the rule of law in Vice City, and
   (c) seek to improve the ordinary lives of citizens and business in Vice City by being socially active in the community, and
   (d) exercise its powers, authority and status as an statutory government agency appropriately, responsibly and with integrity, and
   (e) carry out its functions free from political, media and public pressure in the pursuit of being an independent statutory authority.


Part 3 - Ranks of the Vice City Police Department

Section 9: The Commissioner of the Argonath RPG Police Department 
There is to be a Commissioner or Commissioners of the Argonath RPG Police Department appointed by the President or Prime Minister of the United States of Argonath.

Section 9A: Powers of the Commissioner
The Commissioner or Commissioners shall have the right to:
   (a) oversee and manage the command staff, and
   (b) give and issue commands, directions and guidance to the command staff, and
   (c) handle and adjudicate complaints against the command staff, and
   (d) appoint a Chief of Police when there is a vacancy for the Chief of Police, and
   (e) appoint any senior law enforcement officials, and
   (f) remove and terminate any police officer from working for the Vice City Police Department because of:
      (1) incompetence or incapacity to perform duties assigned to them under this Ordinance, or
      (2) criminal conviction by a court, or
      (3) change in operational structure, thereby resulting in no need for that individual, or
      (4) actions that are deemed inappropriate.

Section 9B: Term of Appointment for Commissioner
The Commissioner or Commissioners holds office permanently unless they vacate office.

Section 9C: Removal of Commissioner
The President or Prime Minister may remove the Commissioner or Commissioners without input from any individual employed by the Argonath RPG Police Department or its constituent departments.

Section 9D: Vacancy in Commissioner’s Office
The office of Commissioner becomes vacant if the Commissioner:
   (a) dies, or
   (b) is removed from office under section 9C, or
   (c) resigns in writing

Section 10: The Chief of Police
There is to be a Chief of Police of the Vice City Police Department appointed by the President or  Prime Minister or a Commissioner.

Section 10A: Powers of the Chief of Police
The Chief of Police shall have the right to:
   (a) the same powers and rights as the Commissioner in sections 9A(a), (b), (c), (e) and (f), and
   (b) give and issue commands, directions and guidance to police officers in the Vice City Police Department, and
   (c) enter into contracts on behalf of the Vice City Police Department for the carrying out of works or the performance of services and supply of goods or materials in connection with the exercise of the functions of the Vice City Police Department, and
   (d) create regulations that impact the performance or exercise of police services by police officers, these regulations have the effect of law when a Court has approved such, and
   (e) appoint or remove any Deputy Chiefs of Police, and
   (f) change the rank or position of any police officer in the Vice City Police Department subject to Part 6 of this ordinance, and
   (g) create ranks, positions, medals and honours in the Vice City Police Department, and
   (h) give or revoke medals and honours of police officers in the Vice City Police Department.

Section 10B: Term of Appointment for Chief of Police
The Chief of Police holds office permanently unless they vacate office.

Section 10C: Removal of Chief of Police
The President, Prime Minister or a Commissioner may remove the Chief of Police on grounds of proven misbehaviour, corruption, criminal conviction, incompetence or incapacity.

Section 10D: Vacancy in Chief of Police’s Office
The office of Chief of Police becomes vacant if the Chief of Police:
   (a) dies, or
   (b) is removed from office under section 10C, or
   (c) resigns in writing

Section 10E: Acting Chief of Police
A Deputy Chief of Police under section 11 becomes Acting Chief of Police if there is a vacancy for the office of Chief of Police, until a person is appointed to the office of Chief of Police, the Deputy Chief of Police is able to exercise the powers and rights of the Chief of Police under section 10A and any other applicable law or ordinance.

Section 10EA: No Deputy Chief
If there is no Deputy Chief of Police, then a vacancy in the office of Chief of Police continues to exist until the appointment of a Chief of Police or Deputy Chief of Police.

Section 11: Deputy Chief of Police
There can be a Deputy Chief of Police who is to be appointed by the Chief of Police or Commissioner.

Section 11A: Powers of Deputy Chief of Police
The Chief of Police may delegate any powers and rights assigned to them under section 10A to the Deputy Chief of Police.

Section 11B: Removal of Deputy Chief of Police
The Chief of Police may remove the Deputy Chief of Police on grounds of proven misbehaviour, corruption, criminal conviction, incompetence or incapacity.


Part 4 - Structure of Vice City Police Department

Section 12: Rank Structure of Vice City Police Department
The ranks of police officers within the Vice City Police Department are (in descending order) as follows:
   (a) Commissioner.
   (b) Chief of Police.
   (c) Deputy Chief of Police.
   (d) Senior law enforcement officials.
   (e) Law enforcement officials who have been employed on a permanent basis.
   (f) Law enforcement officials who have been employed on a casual basis.

Section 13: Positions and Senior Law Enforcement Officials
The Chief of Police may create, change or abolish positions and their hierarchy of senior law enforcement officials in the Vice City Police Department.

Section 14: Senior Law Enforcement Official Powers and Rights
The Chief of Police may delegate any powers and rights assigned to them under section 10A with any specified limitations to a specific position that is meant to be occupied by a senior law enforcement official.

Section 14A: Chief and Deputy Chief are to be Senior Law Enforcement Officials
For the purposes of this ordinance, the Chief of Police and any Deputy Chiefs of Police are also senior law enforcement officials.

Section 15: Permanent Law Enforcement Officials
For the purposes of this ordinance, a law enforcement official is taken to be a law enforcement official who has been employed on a permanent basis if they have:
   (a) made an application in writing to the Vice City Police Department that they wish to become a permanent law enforcement official, and
   (b) a senior law enforcement official has approved that application, and
   (c) the law enforcement official has undertaken any training given to them by a senior law enforcement official or a permanent law enforcement official who has been delegated the power to give training on behalf of the Vice City Police Department.

Section 15A: Court may also take into account other factors
A competent Court, if required to determine whether or not a law enforcement official is a permanent law enforcement official may also use the following factors:
   (a) whether a senior law enforcement official has changed the rank of that law enforcement official to that one of a permanent law enforcement official after successfully passing training given to them under section 15(c), and
   (b) whether the law enforcement official received remuneration, a salary, a wage, a commission any other payment for the exercise of police services from a senior law enforcement official, and
   (c) whether or not permanent law enforcement officials considered the law enforcement official at the time in question, to be a permanent law enforcement official.

Section 16: Other ranks to be permanent law enforcement officials
For the purposes of this ordinance, the Commissioner, the Chief of Police, the Deputy Chiefs of Police and all senior law enforcement officials are also permanent law enforcement officials.


Part 5 - Powers of Police Officers

Section 17: Powers of arrest without warrant
A police officer shall have the power to arrest any person without warrant if
   (a) the police officer suspects on reasonable grounds that the person has committed or is about to commit an offence, and
   (b) the police officer is satisfied that the arrest is necessary because of the following factors:
      (1) to stop the person from fleeing from the police officer and the location from which the criminal offence may have been committed at,
      (2) to stop the person from committing further criminal offences,
      (3) to preserve evidence of a criminal offence or to prevent the fabrication of evidence,
      (4) to protect the safety and nature of any other person (including the person being arrested),
      (5) to be able to effectuate any other power that the police officer is attempting to effectuate whereby the person being arrested is or can prevent the police officer from effectuating that power.

Section 17A: No citizen’s arrest
To remove doubt, a person other than a police officer cannot arrest a person without warrant.

Section 17B: Police must directly state arrest
A police officer when exercising the power of arrest without warrant under section 17 must tell the person being arrested that they are being arrested.

Section 17C: Police may discontinue arrest
A police officer may discontinue an arrest at any time.

Section 18: Power to demand identity
A police officer shall have the power to require a person who is unknown to the police officer, to disclose their identity if the police officer:
   (a) suspects the person has committed a criminal offence on reasonable grounds,
   (b) believes on reasonable grounds that a person may be important to the investigation of a criminal offence,
   (c) has instigated a traffic stop on the basis that the person has committed a traffic offence under section III, act III of the Interim Constitution,
   (d) has instigated a traffic stop and the identity of a passenger of a motor vehicle would be required for investigatory purposes.

Section 18A: What constitutes identity
For the purposes of section 18, identity consists of the person’s full name.

Section 19: Power to enter premises
A police officer shall have the power to enter premises without warrant, if the police officer believes on reasonable grounds that:
   (a) a breach of the peace is or is about to occur and in order to stop or prevent that breach of the peace it is necessary to enter the premises, or
   (b) a person is about to or has suffered significant physical injury and it is thus necessary to enter the premises to come to the aid of the person who has or is about to suffer harm, or
   (c) a person is evading arrest for the commission of a criminal offence.

Section 19A: No power to search premises when using section 19 power
To remove doubt, a police officer does not have the power to search premises when they have entered them under the power to enter premises under section 19.

Section 19B: What constitutes premises
For the purposes of section 19, premises consist of a house, apartment, business, building, fenced off land and any other private property that a person or body corporate may own to which a competent Court draws the usual assumption that police officers cannot enter to effectuate any power of search and seizing illegal material.

Section 20: Power with relation to vehicles
A police officer has the following powers with relation to motor vehicles:
   (a) the power to stop a motor vehicle if the police officer believes on reasonable grounds:
      (1) that the driver of or a passenger in or on, of that motor vehicle has committed a criminal offence or a traffic offence, or
      (2) that the driver of or a passenger in or on, of that motor vehicle can give evidence or assist an investigation with regards to a criminal offence or traffic offence, or
      (3) there is an imminent need to stop that motor vehicle to protect the driver of and/or the passengers in or on, of that motor vehicle, or there would be a significant risk to public safety if the motor vehicle was to continue on its ordinary course of travel.
   (b) the power to erect roadblocks on direction if the police officer believes on reasonable grounds:
      (1) that a driver of, or passenger in or on, of that motor vehicle that may be heading towards the police officer has committed or is committing a criminal offence, or
      (2) that without the usage of a roadblock there would be a serious risk to public safety.
   (c) the power to search the motor vehicle if the police officer believes on reasonable grounds:
      (1) the motor vehicle is being, was or may have been, used in connection with the commission of a criminal offence, and
      (2) that usage of said power may provide evidence of the commission of a criminal offence.
   (d) the power to direct a motor vehicle if the police officer believes on reasonable grounds:
      (1) that usage of said power may contribute to the safety of the public or an individual or,
      (2) that usage of said power would enable police officers to carry out their powers assigned to them under this ordinance or law, without hindrance by vehicles.

Section 20A: No warrant needed for section 20 powers
To remove doubt, a police officer does not require a warrant to exercise the powers assigned to them under section 20.

Section 21: Power with relation to vessels and aircraft
A police officer has the following powers with relation to vessels and aircraft:
   (a) the power to stop, direct and search vessels and aircraft if the police officer believes on reasonable grounds:
      (1) that the vessel or aircraft, or a person in such craft has in their possession anything unlawful to possess under law, or
      (2) that the vessel or aircraft is being or was used, or contains anything that is used or intended to be used, in the commission of a criminal offence, or
      (3) that the vessel or aircraft may constitute a danger to public safety due to operator of such craft or anything contained onboard such craft.
   (b) the power to seize any such unlawful item or anything that may constitute a danger to public safety on any vessels or aircraft.
   (c) the power to board without warrant, any vessel or aircraft if the police officer believes on reasonable grounds:
      (1) that boarding such craft would enable the police officer to exercise other powers in order to prevent or stop the commission of a criminal offence, or
      (2) that boarding such craft would allow the police officer to recover evidence of a commission of a criminal offence or prevent fabrication of a criminal offence, or
      (3) that boarding such craft would allow the police officer to come to the aid of the person who has or is about to suffer significant physical harm.

Section 22: Use of Force
A police officer may use such force as reasonably necessary in order to carry out any powers under this ordinance or other law with relation to individuals and things.

Section 23: Officer not Required to Disclose Reasons for Use of Powers
Unless the contrary appears, a police officer is not required by law to immediately disclose their reasons for the exercise of any powers listed in Part 5 of this ordinance when executing those powers at the time unless:
   (a) the person who would be directly impacted by the use of such powers has asked for such reasons after a short period of time from the initial use of such powers.

   Note: The requirement to disclose that a person is being arrested under section 17B is still required and is unaffected by this section.

Section 24: Offence for Inhibiting Exercise of Powers
For the purposes of section III, act VIII of the Interim Constitution, it is a criminal offence to assault, resist or hinder a police officer in the execution of their duties, of which shall include the execution of their powers.

Minimum Penalty per Count: $8,000 ARD and/or 5 years imprisonment.

Section 24A: Power to Issue Investigation Summons
For the purposes of section III, ordinance IV of the Interim Constitution, if a citizen requests an investigation of their crime and legal representation, to which there is a lack thereof of the latter, the police officer has the power to issue an investigations summons which requires the citizen to attend a police station with their legal representation on a specified date, with that date to not exceed one week from the date of the summons.

Section 24B: Failure to Appear is an Offence
It is a criminal offence for failing to appear as required by the summons.

Minimum Penalty per Count: $16,000 ARD and/or 10 years imprisonment.


Part 6 - Misconduct and Relating Provisions

Section 25: Classification of Law Enforcement Misconduct
For the purposes of this ordinance, law enforcement misconduct is classified as any of the following:
   (a) using police powers without valid reason, or
   (b) using police powers for criminal purposes, or
   (c) malicious deprivation of individual’s rights, or
   (d) committing criminal offences whilst being a police officer, or
   (e) excessive use of force, or
   (f) any other common law claims of law enforcement abuse or police misconduct, or
   (g) failing to exercise their powers when the circumstances necessitate such usage, or
   (h) failing to uphold their duty.

Section 25A: Law Enforcement Misconduct to be Basis of Civil Claim
Law enforcement misconduct under section 25 is an actionable civil claim which a competent Court has original jurisdiction over.

Section 26: Qualification of Jurisdiction of Courts
A competent Court may only exercise its jurisdiction over a law enforcement misconduct claim if a complaint in writing against a police officer is made to the Vice City Police Department and a determination of that complaint has been made, subject to this ordinance.

Section 27: Form of Complaint
The Vice City Police Department has absolute discretion in terms of determining what format a complaint in writing must be and if a complaint does meet that format.

Section 28: Process of Complaints Handling
Upon receiving the complaint, a senior law enforcement official or a law enforcement official who is designated by the Chief of Police to hear the complaint must notify the complainant that the complaint has been received and call upon the police officer who is being complained to respond.

Section 28A: Complaints Handler Definition
For the purposes of this ordinance, a complaints handler is a a senior law enforcement official or a law enforcement official who is designated by the Chief of Police to hear the complaint.

Section 29: Due Process Requirement
A complainant and a respondent police officer must be entitled to make submissions to the complaint at least two times and adduce evidence or call witnesses to support their submissions.

Section 30: Complaints Handler may Restrict Further Submissions
The complaints handler may limit or not take into consideration any submissions which do not full under the due process protections under section 29.

Section 31: Complaints Handler must make Determination
The complaints handler must make a determination about whether the respondent police officer did commit law enforcement misconduct.

Section 32: Complaints Procedure to be Questions of Fact
The complaints handler must not make a determination which attempts to interpret the law.

Section 33: Complaints Procedure to be determined on Balance of Probabilities
The complaint is to be determined on the balance of probabilities.

Section 34: Complaints Handler must be One Rank Higher
The complaints handler must be always one rank or position in hierarchy, higher than the respondent police officer.

Section 35: Complaints against Chief of Police or Deputy Chief of Police
A law enforcement misconduct claim against the Chief of Police or Deputy Chief of Police may bypass the complaints procedure set out in this ordinance.

Section 36: Finding of Law Enforcement Misconduct
If a finding against a respondent police officer of law enforcement misconduct is found by a complaints handler in their determination, the complaints handler may recommend:
   (a) a verbal warning be issued against the respondent police officer, or
   (b) a suspension of the police officer from the Vice City Police Department, or
   (c) a reduction of the police officer’s rank or position within the Vice City Police Department, or
   (d) removal of the police officer from the Vice City Police Department.

Section 37: How Recommendations are dealt with
The Commissioner, Chief of Police, Deputy Chief of Police or a senior law enforcement official who is designated by the Chief of Police may act on the recommendations by:
   (a) agreeing with the recommendation and carrying out the recommendation, or
   (b) varying the recommendation and carrying out a varied alternative, or
   (c) disagreeing with the recommendation and do nothing,
and make an order to that effect.

Section 38: Court Cases
A competent Court may:
   (a) hear an application to reverse the order by the respondent police officer, or
   (b) hear a civil claim of law enforcement misconduct if the determination finds law enforcement misconduct and make the following orders:
      (1) awarding actual and punitive monetary damages, or
      (2) removal of the respondent police officer from the Vice City Police Department or if the respondent police officer is a law enforcement official employed on a casual basis, suspend them, or
      (3) requiring the respondent police officer to make an apology in writing or in person, or
      (4) none of the above.

Section 39: State relieved of Liability
The Vice City Police Department and the United States of Argonath or any other State government is relieved of all liability with respect to law enforcement misconduct claims.

Section 40: False Complaint to be Criminal Offence
It is a criminal offence to make a false complaint using fabricated or substantially altered evidence and to which it can be demonstrated there is a high likelihood of a burdened or strained relationship between the complainant and the respondent police officer.

Minimum Penalty per Count: $24,000 ARD and/or 10 years imprisonment.

Section 41: False Evidence to be Criminal Offence
It is a criminal offence to give misleading or false information to a complaints handler or a competent Court with respect to a complaint and a law enforcement misconduct civil claim respectively.

Minimum Penalty per Count: $24,000 ARD and/or 10 years imprisonment.


Part 7 - Savings

Section 42: Impounds to be Legal
To remove doubt, a police officer has the power to impound a vehicle without warrant if it is parked in such a manner that breaches section III, act III of the Interim Constitution


Amendment Notes
8 January 2018 - Enacted.
8 January 2018 - Deleted the word "contains" from section 21(a)(3).
9 January 2018 - Added sections 25(g)-(h)
11 January 2018 - Added sections 24A and 24B.
29 January 2018 - All offences now have minimum sentences.


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Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 06:28:11 pm
My question is

What the hell does this mean in shorter version since i am struggling to understand this long post



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Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 06:34:56 pm
My question is

What the hell does this mean in shorter version since i am struggling to understand this long post

Essentially:

Part 2 establishes the VCPD and its makeup.

Part 3 sets out important positions in the VCPD and their powers.

Part 4 sets out the basic rank hierarchy of the VCPD and a distinction between "freecops" and actual VCPD officers.

Part 5 sets out the powers of all law enforcement that is to: arrest, enter properties when needed, demand identity and other powers with relation to vehicles, boats and aircraft.

Part 6 sets out the complaints procedure against all law enforcement.

tl;dr nothing has changed, this Ordinance attempts to keep everything the same as it was before the enactment. Only big difference is that it's now more clear to everyone about how law enforcement should operate rather than the thousands of assumptions people operate on.


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Reply #3 on: January 09, 2018, 11:33:26 am
Nicely done, Pulse!

However, I think that an additional point should be added about how investigations are handled.
It should be pointed out that every suspect who stops and surrenders immediately after suspection is entitled to an investigation. However, if they attempt to resist arrest (i.e.: evade, leave the area of suspection) at any point in any way or are wanted for murder, their right to an investigation is revoked. and that their crime, whatever it originally was, becomes instantly valid.

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Reply #4 on: January 09, 2018, 03:06:49 pm
It should be pointed out that every suspect who stops and surrenders immediately after suspection is entitled to an investigation. However, if they attempt to resist arrest (i.e.: evade, leave the area of suspection) at any point in any way or are wanted for murder, their right to an investigation is revoked.
That doesn't seem very fair to me. In some cases, the Police treat civilians without care and I've witnessed numerous cases where a civilian has resisted arrest unintentionally due to being afraid and thinking their life is in danger. This should be taken into account.


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Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 03:10:39 pm
That doesn't seem very fair to me. In some cases, the Police treat civilians without care and I've witnessed numerous cases where a civilian has resisted arrest unintentionally due to being afraid and thinking their life is in danger. This should be taken into account.

If a civilian is breaking the law to protect themselves it can be classed as self-defense or defense of personal property. If a police unit is corrupt (I.E. a suspect thinks their life is in danger due to the incorrect handling of a law enforcement officer) their general right for investigation would most likely be voided by that officer anyhow, as they're corrupt.

And if said officer would be reported to high ranked units with the vice city police department or federal bureau of investigations, their query would be investigated, hence they'd have their right of an investigation.

Therefore I do believe myself the statement is fair, if a suspects goal is clearly not to comply with the law enforcement, then why would they be offered the right to an investigation, if they comply, then the law will give them a chance to explain themselves or the situation and investigate it.



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Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 04:00:54 pm
So if I am getting shot at by a police officer, and I evade to survive and then later on surrender, I cannot ask for an investigation into why I was suspected initially?


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Reply #7 on: January 09, 2018, 04:35:37 pm
Nicely done, Pulse!

However, I think that an additional point should be added about how investigations are handled.
It should be pointed out that every suspect who stops and surrenders immediately after suspection is entitled to an investigation. However, if they attempt to resist arrest (i.e.: evade, leave the area of suspection) at any point in any way or are wanted for murder, their right to an investigation is revoked. and that their crime, whatever it originally was, becomes instantly valid.

Right to investigation can't be deprived under section III, ordinance IV of the Interim Constitution.


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Reply #8 on: January 09, 2018, 04:52:47 pm
Since the right for an investigation cannot be revoked (unless the cop is corrupt, but then it is not lawful arrest anyway) then the argument above is indeed unnecessary.

If you feel like a cop arrested you in violation to the constitution, send a complaint to the VCPD Complaint section. If there is a case of corruption the complaint will fall under FBI jurisdiction (aka me as of right now) and will be handled properly.



Are miranda rights included as a necessity when arresting a criminal?

What happens if a criminal asks for a lawyer, but none is present ingame?


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Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 04:58:45 pm
Are miranda rights included as a necessity when arresting a criminal?

What happens if a criminal asks for a lawyer, but none is present ingame?
In the Escotta case I made Miranda rights a necessity when conducting an investigation, especially if it leads to a Court case. In arrest it is not required but does add more "rp value" so it's up to police officer.

If there is no lawyer, then the police should schedule a new date for investigation or hearing, or wait for lawyer to come. If the suspect fails to show up in the future they can be charged with perversion of the course of justice or obstructing justice. Police should record name so they can prosecute him in court.

I will add a power into the ordinance to demand attendance from a suspect if they want a lawyer at their investigation.


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Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 08:31:08 pm
Fair enough.

Gonna need to get a copy of Mirada rights or get fuzzie to make a command for it :D


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Reply #11 on: January 10, 2018, 04:42:36 pm
So if I am getting shot at by a police officer, and I evade to survive and then later on surrender, I cannot ask for an investigation into why I was suspected initially?

This is nit the point. People often lead a pursuit and then when cornered request investigation. Resisting arrest is a crime on its own and those who comitted it will not be investigated.

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Reply #12 on: January 10, 2018, 06:50:26 pm
If there is no lawyer, then the police should schedule a new date for investigation or hearing, or wait for lawyer to come. If the suspect fails to show up in the future they can be charged with perversion of the course of justice or obstructing justice. Police should record name so they can prosecute him in court.

I will add a power into the ordinance to demand attendance from a suspect if they want a lawyer at their investigation.

Just a note to this, if a police officer does exercise his power to issue summons, they will need to unsuspect the suspect as jailing would be a deprivation of the right to investigation.


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Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 09:42:10 am
Right to investigation can't be deprived under section III, ordinance IV of the Interim Constitution.

This makes no sense.
A guy kills someone, leads on a police pursuit for over thirty minutes, and once cornered surrenders and demands investigation.
There is no way in hell we're giving him one. He has proven himself guilty of a crime by resisting arrest and evading police. I will not have my officers investigate anyone who does not stop and surrender immediately after being suspected for a crime (unless circumstances don't allow it, such as some corrupt freecop shooting at them and such).

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Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 11:47:04 am
This makes no sense.
A guy kills someone, leads on a police pursuit for over thirty minutes, and once cornered surrenders and demands investigation.
There is no way in hell we're giving him one. He has proven himself guilty of a crime by resisting arrest and evading police. I will not have my officers investigate anyone who does not stop and surrender immediately after being suspected for a crime (unless circumstances don't allow it, such as some corrupt freecop shooting at them and such).

The proper way to go about these situations is to give a suspect an investigation but then to state simply at the start of the investigation: "you have evaded police and resisted arrest, for these reasons you are guilty of resisting arrest/obstructing justice." The suspect in such matters should have the right to say a few words but after such time you are to jail them.


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