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It's time to do something about our Money Obsession.

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Reply #45 on: March 05, 2018, 12:25:12 pm
I never thought I'd see the day that VC:MP will become the second most active server, but here it is. Both IVMP and VCMP have taken over SA:MP when it comes to activity. I've went back to SA:MP a few times to try and find out what happened to the server I once loved so much, and it quickly made sense to me when I saw the only online cop being kidnapped by Gvardia's.

It's not just about the money, it's about the playerbase. It's about the mentality of the new playerbase and their lack of understanding. It is no longer about making the roleplay enjoyable for everyone, it's about making the roleplay enjoyable for YOU and yourself only, maybe your group as well. No communication, no understanding of each other, no willing to make compromises. These are not the same players I had so much fun with back in 2012-2015.

It's not the scripts that most people love to blame all of the SAMP's issues on. It's that your playerbase saw a huge degradation in quality since the veteran players and roleplay groups that used to make the server enjoyable left, and their vacancy was half filled with an influx of new players that do not understand the concept of what made Argonath fun - mutual satisfaction.

So in a nuttshell, stop blaming the HQ and stop blaming the scripts. It's your own fault, you chose your mentality to be this way. You chose that a Weedfield TDM is more fun than roleplay interaction, you chose that Mafia vs Mafia TDM is more fun than roleplay. Nobody chose it for you, especially not the HQ.

However, on the HQ's side, if they want to improve the situation, their very first step should be to remove the groups script. It makes no sense. What happened to building your "empire" solely out of your own resources that you put ROLEPLAY into achieving? Now when all you have to do is gather some members, do a few piss poor roleplays and you have yourself script support, no wonder nobody wants to Roleplay anymore when its not required to achieve something.

Lol this crazy little guy throws shit on a specifc group out of nowhere, you should really stick to vcmp or what the fuck you play and let people debate things over here properly.

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Reply #46 on: March 05, 2018, 12:58:16 pm
I love it how some tend to whine about properties, the same way people whined about it in RS4 (even though back then you could only have one of each) and because of that a reset was placed so that everyone could have a fresh start and was promised the ability to own as many properties as they wanted. Now here we are, the same whining and complaining again, because people can't have every property they want. That's how it works, some properties are more limited than the others and harder to come by; no matter how many changes you ask for regarding properties not all of you are going to be able to own an Ammu-Nation or a mansion in Richman.

Inactive players will eventually lose their properties sooner or later, whether it's not being able to pay tax or going broke because they're only wasting money on taxes and not earning anything. Even in RS4 Market Ammu-Nation managed to get sold due to inactivity.

And let's be serious for a moment, properties are nothing more than things to spend your money on aka money launder. Whether a guy who plays 8 hours a day or a guy who plays only a few hours of day owns a property, it's not going to matter. Some individuals can pretend they'd put some properties into use just because they're being selfish, but I guarantee you they're not going to make any of those properties a "main center of RP" as they try to show.

And generally speaking about the whole "money hungry" thing - it's nothing new, it has always been a problem. Why? Because the server rules itself as well as the script give people the privilege to be like that and that's that.



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Reply #47 on: March 05, 2018, 01:38:56 pm
No one gets script support for free. You've to post role-play pictures and have to wait at least 1 month. If you don't have role-play pictures included with you for days, the group will be delayed, like us, many months after our group got scripted because of RP delay. So, just for your info, no one gets free script support.

This is ridiculous  :lol:  You don't have to "post role-play pictures", hell we've been doing that long before half the active playerbase has even joined the server, yet we haven't gotten anything. You gotta be In Game and show the Roleplay there, get noticed by others, interact. If all you're "roleplaying" is growing weedfields, kidnapping people and selling drugs...You should go play Single Player or join some Free-roam community.

The problem with the community is not people being moneyhungry or owning properties, it's the overall mentality. The mentality of always having max armor on and carrying a M4 with a bunch of molotovs, driving a Sultan full of clones has to go. We have managed to make some changes the past year or so, but sadly the attitude is returning and coincidentally the playerbase dropped at the same time.

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Reply #48 on: March 05, 2018, 01:45:54 pm
Lol this crazy little guy throws shit on a specifc group out of nowhere, you should really stick to vcmp or what the fuck you play and let people debate things over here properly.

For one, I played SAMP for over six years, I am entitled to my opinion on why I no longer enjoy it. And for two, this is precisely why the community went to shit, because the majority of those who remain share your attitude towards things.

I have told you what I specifically saw with my own eyes. And yes, don't worry, I will stick with VCMP, because the server I loved is now infested with cancerous pests like yourself who ruin it for everyone else. Don't take the fact that your group were pretty much forced out of VCMP for exactly that kind of shit out on me. ;)

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Reply #49 on: March 05, 2018, 02:12:28 pm
Welcome back JDC, this is how Argonath roll now days, bunch of useless groups with shit loads of vehicles and properties which they are not even using, players growing weed 24/7, growing money like it's a big matter, no one roleplays, either getting shot in the roleplay or no roleplay.


You might be able to fix few of the shitty situations going on now days, but you won't fix them all, since it depends only on the player.

I never thought I'd see the day that VC:MP will become the second most active server, but here it is. Both IVMP and VCMP have taken over SA:MP when it comes to activity. I've went back to SA:MP a few times to try and find out what happened to the server I once loved so much, and it quickly made sense to me when I saw the only online cop being kidnapped by Gvardia's.



Weird, i've been in Gvardia for almost 2 years and WE never kidnapped a single cop  :uhm:  you might have mixed Gvardia with the wrong group.



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Reply #50 on: March 05, 2018, 02:27:30 pm

WE never kidnapped a single cop   you might have mixed Gvardia with the wrong group.




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Reply #51 on: March 05, 2018, 02:32:59 pm
Weird, i've been in Gvardia for almost 2 years and WE never kidnapped a single cop  :uhm:  you might have mixed Gvardia with the wrong group.

Sorry sir, but my eyesight is in mint condition.
 But that isn't even the point. Replace "Gvardia" with pretty much any other mafia in the game - the point still stands. It's an example used to convey a far bigger issue that plagues the server. And it annoys me, because it prevents me from finding any joy in it anymore.

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Reply #52 on: March 05, 2018, 02:46:04 pm
Sorry sir, but my eyesight is in mint condition.
 But that isn't even the point. Replace "Gvardia" with pretty much any other mafia in the game - the point still stands. It's an example used to convey a far bigger issue that plagues the server. And it annoys me, because it prevents me from finding any joy in it anymore.
Well, you could simply have made an example to show your point without mentioning any, you mentioning Gvardia means  you are against Gvardia/hate them. Your point is kinda correct, but there's plenty of useless ACTIVE groups that must be removed instead of letting them ally with older and stronger ones to reach their goals, Why am i mentioning groups ? because more interesting groups this community have more players you'll see, plenty of players who are capable of starting magnificent roleplays left why ? because they either rp with the same players daily, or they get shot when they rp with strangers, why ? because everyone is almost fully armed on this server, like it's a WW3.

Can't blame ya to mention Gvardia, but read the first topic of Gvardia family topic, elaborate the sentences to yourself, and then you'll understand that it's a mafia, and their members RP like ones, hence why most of Gvardias are armed :)



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Reply #53 on: March 05, 2018, 02:48:41 pm
Why are we acting like VC:MP has any higher roleplay standards or less moneyhungry people? :lol:



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Reply #54 on: March 05, 2018, 02:49:12 pm

Nice man you caught me!  :lol: i suggest you read the text logs perhaps you'll understand that Leonardo did help GROUP A to reach one of Gvardia members or helped them to. And let's say Gvardia kidnapped a cop, did he die ? Na  :lol: we keep it real mate.



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Reply #55 on: March 05, 2018, 02:50:43 pm
Can we discus about bringing a solution to the problem @JDC pointed out ?


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Reply #56 on: March 05, 2018, 02:53:19 pm
Nice man you caught me!  :lol: i suggest you read the text logs perhaps you'll understand that Leonardo did help GROUP A to reach one of Gvardia member or helped them to. And let's say Gvardia kidnapped a cop, did he die ? Na  :lol: we keep it real mate.
I didn't quote this to get you caught or anything. We all know that the server isn't at it's best right now, and you can't just act innocent out of this. If we want things to change we should start from ourselves.
Can we discus about bringing a solution to the problem @JDC pointed out ?
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Reply #57 on: March 05, 2018, 02:59:26 pm
Can we please discus about bringing a solution to the problem @JDC pointed out ?
He brought many points out, and i did tell him the problem and it's solution, Moneyhungers? pfft in every SA:MP server there's moneyhungers, solution is related to players only, for example, he said ONE PLAYER own a whole complex, well i remember Brian setting up a complex at Commerce and Sforza bought 'em all lol. On the other hand @Huntsman < this dude mentioned Gvardia as it's THE group THAT ruins the server.

Back on RS4 we had no such " stop or die " rule, and yet 50 out of 120 DAILY active players did roleplay and will to improve from the server, now the playerbase is like how much 50 maximum ? 40 players doing weed 5 cops online and 5 chatting on /p it's as easy as that. Nothing is interesting nowdays, i hope the new update will gain players interest to come back and actually do something.

I didn't quote this to get you caught or anything. We all know that the server isn't at it's best right now, and you can't just act innocent out of this. If we want things to change we should start from ourselves. ^
You did quote it for a reason don't twist it up, i'm a kind of person who does the following  IF i can't change anything i won't run my mouth in everything. BUT i'm one of those few players who did try to change the server's mentality, but eventually i lost interest cuz simply, this server have the wrong players with the powers :)



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Reply #58 on: March 05, 2018, 03:01:36 pm
Imma stick to the topic, like ya'll should do!
So, as much as I want to change the CASH CASH mentality and turn it to 24/7 RP...I can't...the HQ can't. No matter what adjustments are made or how expensive things are some people would sit in their Journey and farm 24/7 so they can buy that..hell if it's more expensive they'll focus more on making money to buy it, that's their definition of fun.

While some of us think that RPing is fun, some people prefer to farm money so they can buy stuff, that's FUN for them. And we can't change that, doesn't matter what scripts we add or what we remove. It all depends on the people.
Don't get me wrong, I am not happy with how things are and I'd be amazed if somehow things begin to change.
I can't think of anything that can change the money farming mentality, but I have an idea on how we can connect the RP and money making.
Now you know how in stunt servers you get money for doing stunts, the more crazy the stunt is the more money you get.
Well same thing can be done with the RP, the better the RP scenario and lines, the more money you get.
Now this is now a thing to be scripted, it has to be supervised, by HQ for example, while it's a busy thing and kinda insane to do, it's probably the only way we can get more RP with the playerbase we have.

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Reply #59 on: March 05, 2018, 03:05:49 pm
Imma stick to the topic, like ya'll should do!
So, as much as I want to change the CASH CASH mentality and turn it to 24/7 RP...I can't...the HQ can't. No matter what adjustments are made or how expensive things are some people would sit in their Journey and farm 24/7 so they can buy that..hell if it's more expensive they'll focus more on making money to buy it, that's their definition of fun.

While some of us think that RPing is fun, some people prefer to farm money so they can buy stuff, that's FUN for them. And we can't change that, doesn't matter what scripts we add or what we remove. It all depends on the people.
Don't get me wrong, I am not happy with how things are and I'd be amazed if somehow things begin to change.
I can't think of anything that can change the money farming mentality, but I have an idea on how we can connect the RP and money making.
Now you know how in stunt servers you get money for doing stunts, the more crazy the stunt is the more money you get.
Well same thing can be done with the RP, the better the RP scenario and lines, the more money you get.
Now this is now a thing to be scripted, it has to be supervised, by HQ for example, while it's a busy thing and kinda insane to do, it's probably the only way we can get more RP with the playerbase we have.

You pretty much summed my thoughts up, no matter what the script is some players will chase money no matter how the script looks. It has been like that since ever and will always stay.

Regarding your idea I don't know I mean I still believe that the players that are currently on the hunt for cash more then roleplay will stay like that unless you make roleplay the only method to earn money.
I really can't suggest a solution to the over all public but I'm trying to start it all with my self and my own gameplay.



 


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