It's time to do something about our Money Obsession.

[Pete]

If they make more money when RPing rather then cooking meth they will prob try to RP ;d

[Miki.]

If they make more money when RPing rather then cooking meth they will prob try to RP ;d

Yeah but I feel like if that ever happens, they won't really put themselves into the roleplay and actually do it properly.
I mean you can't really buy some one to roleplay, people need to find the fun side in roleplay by themselves.

[Shorty.]

If they make more money when RPing rather then cooking meth they will prob try to RP ;d

It's a great idea right? let me give you a cool example players might need... Driving Schools, owners must be rich as fuck correct? how about giving their employees 50-100k per month as a salary? with a little push from the HQ they can reach 150k monthly. Same goes for Driver duty, Easytaxi for example got supported by HQ, employees got $50k monthly with bonuses i think they reached 75k-80k that's if they're normal not super active, some players got sport vehicles as a reward for being active.


Creating ROLEPLAYING companies and fund their employees might be the solution, it's part of roleplaying, creating a script like trucking is petty and boring, i mean you will truck alone? you won't roleplay with nearby players.

[Deka]

If they make more money when RPing rather then cooking meth they will prob try to RP ;d

Try to make a limit time for cooking and weeding. For example, there's a day that allowed only to either cooking or weeding but not both at the same time and there's a day that cannot do any illegal activity. Perhaps people would start making role play for that.

[Miki.]

It's a great idea right? let me give you a cool example players might need... Driving Schools, owners must be rich as fuck correct? how about giving their employees 50-100k per month as a salary? with a little push from the HQ they can reach 150k monthly. Same goes for Driver duty, Easytaxi for example got supported by HQ, employees got $50k monthly with bonuses i think they reached 75k-80k that's if they're normal not super active, some players got sport vehicles as a reward for being active.


Creating ROLEPLAYING companies and fund their employees might be the solution, it's part of roleplaying, creating a script like trucking is petty and boring, i mean you will truck alone? you won't roleplay with nearby players.

Yeah that's a great example actually why not spread and invest into groups and different fields of roleplay, I'm not talking in a manner of replacing scripted jobs but it can be a nice addition every group I had the chance to create that works on RP only concepts (none of them actually founded to make profit) is made out of people that are willing to interact no matter if money is involved or not.
but giving sponsoring support may actually attract the ones who are looking for good pay as well, it can reach the point where these different groups take new players under their wings to teach them and help them financially too on the same route.

[Shorty.]

Yeah that's a great example actually why not spread and invest into groups and different fields of roleplay, I'm not talking in a manner of replacing scripted jobs but it can be a nice addition every group I had the chance to create that works on RP only concepts (none of them actually founded to make profit) is made out of people that are willing to interact no matter if money is involved or not.
but giving sponsoring support may actually attract the ones who are looking for good pay as well, it can reach the point where these different groups take new players under their wings to teach them and help them financially too on the same route.

It's a light rp server after all, scripts also support unscripted jobs, Mayor script is an important one, yet we have no mayor to take care of HQ's work ICly, Mayor of a specific city can support group A/Business..etc and fund them to work harder.

Hell . . . want criminals to RP ? want to create lawsuits n shit? BUILD A FUCKING PRISON !! and make criminals jail time starts from 5 minutes to 24 hours, that would be cool, cops should show more interest to interact other than pulling the trigger, that will give criminals the motivation to /gu when they're surrounded or run if the have the chance.

easy solutions that needs a small motivation to change the mentality, but players don't want a change.

[Stivi]

I totally agree. I think payday should be removed or heavily restricted, but since that's an HQ thing, it's something for @Brian to consider. Perhaps /sponsor should go to a lottery fund instead of "payday". Damage is done indeed. The only way I think is an option to rectify the millions already in bank accounts is to add some sort of "sink" to balance the economy. This could possibly be in the form of a tax increase on purchases and perhaps maybe even a income tax for jobs.

Removed, yes. /sponsor can still be /sponsor, and once there's a pool large enough a manager can make a payday. But that's just players' money and not spawned in. Now I am aware that the money currently in the server is also from bugged money, hackers and whatnot. Please be understanding when I blame the HQ, I don't want to insult you or anyone for the matter, I like that you all are trying to make things better. A sink is fine, but really what's the point, only a few wealthy ones who can afford it will use it, and they will remain wealthy.

Now I might get a backlash, but what about making some things purchasable by bank only, and make dirty cash a bit harder to clean, as originally intended I suppose. You got to give more ways for the police to bust money, so you give criminals something to be afraid of. Civilians, well they're civilians.

Bringing back territory script is something I would like to see, but not the coloured map, just the script functioning properly.

Your premise on this point is exactly the same as mine. Property taxes are there to make sure properties are owned by active players, and "active players" presumes that the said players are playing to keep what they have. I don't see where the contradiction is here.

Sure, but there are certain individuals who have millions and they don't necessarily need to play to make money. Eventually, though, they will run out of cash, so the system works fine, in theory.

I wasn't talking about players who suddenly have to go inactive only for a month or couple of months, then come back. I was talking about people who haven't been active at all for a really long time and only login just to pay taxes and avoid foreclosure. They reap benefits that should only go to active players, without putting in any effort to actually play, which is completely unfair to active players.

A couple of months is fine, but a couple of months can mean a couple of years too. Care to mention some of these players you speak of? You might even use my PM and I'll give you a reason why it happens. It's not unfair to active players, people lose interest, it's perfectly normal, but they aren't leaving the community, which is both good and bad, but they didn't hack/cheat their way into getting hold of those properties.

As long as there are people playing here who want things to improve, it is never too late. Unless we all magically lost our balls, then we can go beyond complaining and start participating.

Been here, hoping for the better, before RS5 was even on beta stage. Was also part of the beta testers. Then RS5.2 came, was also QA member then, even a helper for RS5.2. Can go as far as saying that I know more than the current helpers, and I'm a problematic player too, but that didn't change anything. I once called a certain developer power-hungry, three developers immediately RESIGNED even though I apologized to all of those I didn't mean to offend in private too. I once was trash-talking another developer, who is basically a meme now, which the current HQ also makes fun of, and got kicked from the staff team. Now I'm not the only one who wants to help, fuck even Cena wanted to help, until we all fucked it up and pushed those, who loudly asked for change, away. And no, that wasn't the players' fault. I would name, but that'd result in a topic lock and I don't want that.
 

And yes, while players are also at fault, responsibility is also on the HQ. But with current staff who are pushing for improvement (such as @Chase asking for input to fix the economy), our opportunity to solve things as a community has also improved. Let's make use of it.

The players are always at fault, but since there are no punished players for breaking the rules, then the fault relies on HQ and solely them. NOT THE CURRENT HQ, IM TALKING IN GENERAL.

I never thought I'd see the day that VC:MP will become the second most active server, but here it is. Both IVMP and VCMP have taken over SA:MP when it comes to activity. I've went back to SA:MP a few times to try and find out what happened to the server I once loved so much, and it quickly made sense to me when I saw the only online cop being kidnapped by Gvardia's.

And that to you is TDM? Kidnapping the only cop online, to have a shootout with who exactly? Sit down and learn how to have a conversation around, because as far as you should be concerned, Scotto, Ancelotti and Gvardia brought back the activity to RS5.

So in a nuttshell, stop blaming the HQ and stop blaming the scripts. It's your own fault, you chose your mentality to be this way. You chose that a Weedfield TDM is more fun than roleplay interaction, you chose that Mafia vs Mafia TDM is more fun than roleplay. Nobody chose it for you, especially not the HQ.

However, on the HQ's side, if they want to improve the situation, their very first step should be to remove the groups script. It makes no sense. What happened to building your "empire" solely out of your own resources that you put ROLEPLAY into achieving? Now when all you have to do is gather some members, do a few piss poor roleplays and you have yourself script support, no wonder nobody wants to Roleplay anymore when its not required to achieve something.

No and no. The HQ took decisions and players adapted to them. The HQ is the players themselves. It's their fault, because they took shit from players when they initially said they wouldn't, or whatever they said. Weedfield TDM is your made up name, because the police force couldn't handle a lot of criminals in one place. Welcome to the real life.

Are you actually serious coming here blaming the HQ for a group script? And moreover, script-support? HOW THE FUCK does one builds his empire if he can't spawn at his own HQ. Please, spare me the arguments and go learn how the scripts actually work. You have to buy the HQ anyway, it's just that it gets set as an HQ so members can spawn there. Oh and the cars? You buy them. Later.

Fuck is that supposed to mean? He wasn't the only cop online, was he? Because I was asking the money from the police force? In that scenario he engaged a lot of suspects alone, so we took a hostage. How is that wrong? Fuck you probably didn't even play the server back then. Don't start shit.

While some of us think that RPing is fun, some people prefer to farm money so they can buy stuff, that's FUN for them. And we can't change that, doesn't matter what scripts we add or what we remove. It all depends on the people.
Don't get me wrong, I am not happy with how things are and I'd be amazed if somehow things begin to change.
I can't think of anything that can change the money farming mentality, but I have an idea on how we can connect the RP and money making.
Now you know how in stunt servers you get money for doing stunts, the more crazy the stunt is the more money you get.
Well same thing can be done with the RP, the better the RP scenario and lines, the more money you get.
Now this is now a thing to be scripted, it has to be supervised, by HQ for example, while it's a busy thing and kinda insane to do, it's probably the only way we can get more RP with the playerbase we have.

Yeah, and if the HQ made some clear regulations, then things would be so much better. Tell you what, back when meth got released "the recipe" was leaked everywhere the second day. The fuck is that? Metagaming. Right, so everyone got into meth, and as a mobster and not someone who would sit in a Journey and make meth on a remote location, I decided I would kill off the competition, or have them work for me. Good business right? Cops would never come at the set location, and if they did, hopefully, they would be gunned down. Now the problem is people don't like to work for you, so they die, lose their meth batch and equipment, and then they start cooking RIGHT AFTER. You tell me that's fine? Yeah I'm not exactly a DMer, but I would DM the fuck out of that guy for two days in a row. If I went back? He would report me. If I reported him? Nothing, allowed by the rules. Need I go on?

but players don't want a change.

And the HQ listens to us. So, the HQ gotta up their game.

[Huntsman]

The majority of the "causes" you guys are mentioning did not seem to be a problem two years ago. Once again, it is the players, and only the players, that have gotten the server to the point it is now.

As for Antonio, for the sakes of not derailing the topic any further, I will not answer that question. I'd be more than happy to continue that discussion in PM, however.

[Darty]

Fuck you probably didn't even play the server back then. Don't start shit.

If you haven't noticed you're always the one who tries to start shit. Going off topic in here, starting topics when getting punished, and last but not least in game. Yes, I was playing at the time get your facts straight.

[superh2o]

I quit playing SAMP for few reasons, some of them are people don't give a fuck what you are rping, they have there goal to jail/kill you and no rp will save you or delay that, you can complain to higher ranked people of those groups you get a reply get rekt son you accepted rp,don't whine now.

Ok cool, so i kinda rolled with same group of people when they are online, when they are not there.
Every interaction with rival group lead to jail or death, one instance is my first interaction with a rival group high ranked member when requesting a meeting, he told me to meet at a location, i came there called him im on the spot, then got stormed by tiped off FBI that im farming drugs, tho the drop off spot of the drugs was 10m away I had no idea what it was, and tiped off FBI had no time/interst for my story. You are here you are guilty, asked for investigation, same dude who suspected me investigated me, so its like the executor, judge and jury is the same man, naturally i was found guilty and escorted to jail.
On scale of well played i can say nothing i was duped hard had a good laugh how i was set up, the agent tho kinda mesed up my general impressions.

When ppl don't care, others who are new stop caring, and here you are sampers dying off, due to your own actions.

I feel sorry for all those who put effort into rp, but they are so few compared to ppl who just don't care, he came online to shoot, chase, kill.
And 80% of players come online for those reasons, RP is done in strict in house conditions,  so god forbid you lose in a rp or get out smarted.
And to have some cool rp pics for your topic, i only few times seen screens of positive interaction between any groups.
Most i seen had only one goal and that was to taunt rivals.

Other rp is done when you have a sweet ratio 3:1 in favor of your side, that's when you come and surround your rivals, while you wait for anything at all to use as excuse to squeeze the trigger.
This is allowed as its within the rules that with some rp you can start a TDM, rules are made flimsy and you expect people not to bend rules so they win against rivals.
Shame on you for thinking that loose rules will lead to more quality RP.

Make rules harsh for low quality rp and things might change till then nothing will change.

With high quality RP ppl won't care to put even more effort into farming money as it will be more fun to RP, then to grind, well to most players at least, in some cases there is just no help, players are individuals and no set of rules can make 100% follow and play by them.

For a change of pace and flavor of something new visit T4 ivmp many new things are planed.

Cheers

[JackDockz]

I dont wish to but if shit goes bad even further then ima roll back to ivmp

[Stivi]

With high quality RP ppl won't care to put even more effort into farming money as it will be more fun to RP, then to grind, well to most players at least, in some cases there is just no help, players are individuals and no set of rules can make 100% follow and play by them.

For a change of pace and flavor of something new visit T4 ivmp many new things are planed.

With high quality RP people think of some other RP server. They confuse strict with high quality and we instead have to resort to this. :/

Smooth.

If you haven't noticed you're always the one who tries to start shit. Going off topic in here, starting topics when getting punished, and last but not least in game. Yes, I was playing at the time get your facts straight.

Exactly my man, I was the one to mention Gvardia here, yep, definitely me and not Huntsman. Off topic? What about the rest of the reply, or is JDC the only one allowed to respond to it? Please spare me the time of explaining assumptions to you, you go to school for that.

[Huntsman]

And that to you is TDM? Kidnapping the only cop online, to have a shootout with who exactly? Sit down and learn how to have a conversation around, because as far as you should be concerned, Scotto, Ancelotti and Gvardia brought back the activity to RS5

You're trying to shift my words for your own convenience.
These were completely seperate examples. Kidnapping the only cop online is wrong, because as I mentioned, you're pretty much making the RP one sided. The cop has no chance of being rescued or to somehow get any satisfaction from it.

The TDM issue I mentioned more resolves about deathmatch fests over weedfields. Something like this was unheard of in RS4, and once again, not because of the scripts, nor because of the money, but because the player base was different and had an average IQ of above a single digit number. Someone who actually understood the meaning and the concept of the server.

Stop clinging to the Gvardia example I used. As mentioned already, you may replace it with pretty much any group in the server. Nobody but you yourselves are trying to portray yourselves as being attacked, when it was not my intention. That discussion could have ended two pages ago but you keep bringing it up. I simply used an example of a personal witness account.

Don't lecture me on how to have a conversation, especially considering the fact that your own behaviour here rarely portrays you capable of reasonable thought.

[Stivi]

The TDM issue I mentioned more resolves about deathmatch fests over weedfields. Something like this was unheard of in RS4, and once again, not because of the scripts, nor because of the money, but because the player base was different and had an average IQ of above a single digit number. Someone who actually understood the meaning and the concept of the server.

No, it is because of the scripts. Because in RS4, we had a single PLANT, for three minutes as a weedfield. We now have actual weed fields, you ever been to one IRL? If a single person is planting it, it's gonna take days for him to do it, and days after can he harvest it. So, we gather a group and go grow. Two hours is enough to go around the map for at least 5 times, so we need protection on the field, or we lose it. It's really the script, the players only learned how to adapt to it. Been a player of RS4, as many others, and we're still here playing, you even insulted yourself with the IQ argument you pulled off.

[Jeremy.]

You're trying to shift my words for your own convenience.
These were completely seperate examples. Kidnapping the only cop online is wrong, because as I mentioned, you're pretty much making the RP one sided. The cop has no chance of being rescued or to somehow get any satisfaction from it.

The TDM issue I mentioned more resolves about deathmatch fests over weedfields. Something like this was unheard of in RS4, and once again, not because of the scripts, nor because of the money, but because the player base was different and had an average IQ of above a single digit number. Someone who actually understood the meaning and the concept of the server.

Stop clinging to the Gvardia example I used. As mentioned already, you may replace it with pretty much any group in the server. Nobody but you yourselves are trying to portray yourselves as being attacked, when it was not my intention. That discussion could have ended two pages ago but you keep bringing it up. I simply used an example of a personal witness account.

Don't lecture me on how to have a conversation, especially considering the fact that your own behaviour here rarely portrays you capable of reasonable thought.

Yes you used Gvardia in your example which is wrong yes, you said that im a toxic player well let me remind you that you were the one who got banned both in game and on forums for toxicity.

Now please let people which actually play on the SAMP server, as this is SAMP not VCMP suggestion board debate their ideas. You're doing nothing more than spreading false accusations and once again being toxic overall. Thanks. Now lets resume the topic subject.