Roleplay direction of the server

[Bogomil]

Is this a light rp server? Is it a cops n robbers or a deathmatch one? I really can't see the difference. And before anyone start quoting me how I whine about everything, I want to state that the purpose of this topic is really to answer one simple question - are you here to fuck around with people's nerves or let your imagination generate something you could be proud of ? I'm really, really tired of the difference between the roleplay standards. Because of that reason, in the past 3 months I decided to leave Argonath like 10 times... what kept me in? My loyalty to the community. After spending six years here, I seriously can't imagine going to another server, even if it's some heavy rp stuff. But how infinite is my patience? How many more people should leave Argonath, because their patience wasn't infinite?

I'm talking about the superhero invincible criminal style of roleplay. Didn't that bore you already? I'll give the most recent example: I opened a restaurant, tried to create something close to real life restaurant, I found people to help me, but there came that problem... suddenly, like once or twice per day a group of "invincible warheads" come in the restaurant and rob me because for example the total cost of their food was like $100... or another example - I roleplay as a cop and someone decides top kidnap me or rob me because I gave him a $100 ticket for reckless driving, or when you were being pulled over for driving 1 km/h over the limit and you decide to evade, call all your friends, the pope, the us army and attack the cop who tried to pull over your splendor, the king of all criminals and meth parvenus. This is ridiculous. And it's not only about criminals, everyone does that.

Probably all my 'unfounded' criticism towards the HQ comes from this simple reason. No one ever gave a proper answer. What kind of server is this? Seriously, just because 3 people of 40 decided to roleplay doesn't mean it's a roleplay one. You guys need to define the minimum of roleplay and accordingly write reasonable rules for those who break this standard. And the fault is not only in the HQ, everyone who leads a group is responsible for his own members. Because if one person individually doesn't have roleplay standards, that's not that bad, but if entire group doesn't have these standards, then we're talking about damaging the reputation of the server, we're talking about crumbling the luster of the server with ignominiously low criterias.

I want to know the answer of the following questions: What should I(we, the 5-10(at most) people who are still trying to create something among the ashes of the server) expect? Do you care about those people or you think if Argonath loses its key players, the mass will be ruled easier? Are we going to have transparency? Are we going to roleplay or we can just leave ?

[Justin39]

Yes

[Bogomil]

Yes

That's one detailed and very meaningful response.

[psyron]

come ivmp t4 and experience ragdolls

[TheGreasyChopper]

 There is no direction - just promises. People have no clue where they want to go, they're fine with the status quo of > grind meth > "welcome back" players on /p > gather with group > drive in Sultans to weed field > Plant > collect > do kidnap/rob > repeat. The majority find this pretty fine, which is where the problem started. They were allowed to turn this into the everyday of the server.

 Current HQ has no goals. Groups are constantly being asked what their goals are, how they achieved them, what their plans are...Yet they(HQ/ARUN/Management) do not have ones of their own. The lack of interest from the higher-ups is obvious, they seem to lack any attitude toward the server. There used to be a time when proper roleplay sourced from a few groups which then went server-wide. HQ Supported these groups(And I'm not talking about "status" and similar scripts, as someone who's been there - there is literally no difference between being a regular group, recognized one or official. You gain nothing but money and properties) and popularized roleplay among newcomers and veterans.

 Argonath SA:MP is dead. They let it die, some even took part in killing it. Now, "exams", "real life", "SA:MP dying as a client"...I've heard these excuses. People had real life and exams in the past, yet the server was peaking. As for client dying...

Spoiler for Hiden:

Needless to say this does not include servers already on 0.3 and the ones not listed in the "Hosted" tab.

What I've kept asking for, what I kept suggesting - bring a basic rule set of the levels of RP. Set the RP levels and enforce rules regarding roleplay. Implement rules about metagaming and powergaming. Kill the "play2win" and screen the playerbase. I'd rather have 2-3 people who have been community banned for OOC offences, yet provide quality roleplay, than have 25 people who go around in their _FamilyName tag, full armor and guns in their Sultans who do nothing but provide sub-par roleplay scenarios(What they call Roleplay I would not consider such).

As sad as it is - Argonath SA:MP is dead. Roleplayers were either kicked out or left on their own. Sadly there is nothing that will fix this. Teddy's idea of having a "Light RP" SA:MP server and a "Heavy RP" one might have worked out actually and I'm sure that one of the servers would have died out while the other prospered.

Argonath SA:MP is basically two-three groups with a number of members who keep repeating the same things, with the eventual pop-up of a quality roleplay group every now and then, which is then pushed out by the majority and the status quo.

SA:MP Argo used to be a roleplaying game server(RPG). Sadly, Roleplay is no longer part of the rules and concepts.

Kudos to those of us who tried changing something.

[youoo]

I think you are wasting your valuable time on writing punch of lines and paragraphs on floor

[TheGreasyChopper]

I think you are wasting your valuable time on writing punch of lines and paragraphs on floor

Just went through the last few pages of your posts...Was looking to see who you are, but all I found is "good luck"s and "nice screens"...Didn't see something that would stand you out, failed to see any contribution of any sort. Yeah, there were these screens of a weedfield and flexing with guns...Why waste your time in doing the same things over and over again?

Lets not lead this into an ad hominem fight, it's a problem that concerns everyone around SA:MP Argonath. I don't think I'm wasting my valuable time - I wrote that in less than 10 minutes after I got back from work. If you don't agree with a point, say it - give an argument. If you're to criticize, bring some constructive criticism. Be a good influence. I'm writing all these "punch of lines" and "paragraphs", because I spent my valuable time trying to change things for the good of everyone and sadly I failed. I'm hoping to see if I was wrong in my way or if there's a chance to change anything.

Sorry for the off-topic, feel free to delete this post if deemed necessary.

[youoo]

I am not critizing anyone or against your point Duke but I am just want to say you wrote alot and failed because nothing is going to change unless the wake up from their dreams and see deteruration we are facing that what I mean by my sentance

[Djinn]

Sometimes it's just not the person who's going to roleplay but also the person you're interacting. You can check some of my posts and see I do some kind of different stuff, and also if you remember The Latin Kings, you'll remember we brought different stuff months ago.
But what I want to say, the last few weeks I've been trying to interact with different people and actually I DO NOT PLAN on killing them, but here's the thing, they either run, shoot or tell me " I'm not in the mood for roleplay " and let me emphasize what they like to say the most " fk off ".
Like today, I was with a small group, and we went to interact with this person that we did not plan to kill and it ended up on him dead because he shot at us.
What I'm trying to say here is, believe it or not there's more people trying to roleplay than we probably think, but, there's no collaboration from opposites hence why things end in shootouts and shit.
Not saying players never mean to have a shootout lol

[Mehmet]

Sometimes it's just not the person who's going to roleplay but also the person you're interacting. You can check some of my posts and see I do some kind of different stuff, and also if you remember The Latin Kings, you'll remember we brought different stuff months ago.
But what I want to say, the last few weeks I've been trying to interact with different people and actually I DO NOT PLAN on killing them, but here's the thing, they either run, shoot or tell me " I'm not in the mood for roleplay " and let me emphasize what they like to say the most " fk off ".
Like today, I was with a small group, and we went to interact with this person that we did not plan to kill and it ended up on him dead because he shot at us.
What I'm trying to say here is, believe it or not there's more people trying to roleplay than we probably think, but, there's no collaboration from opposites hence why things end in shootouts and shit.
Not saying players never mean to have a shootout lol

I know what you talking about. 
You could spare his life if you want to. Since you're with a group of people and his's alone.
You should do better RP by cuffing his arm so that he couldn't do something against what you hv plant to do next (either negotiate or something else) but clearly your not. Plus, what's your expectation from people reaction, if you told him to kiss your shoe. In my thought, there're only 2 possibilities either (he obeys your order / he saves his pride).

[Bogomil]

I spoke with so many people in the last month regarding this. They all acknowledge what I said above. People that really contributed to the community in so many ways, including current members of the staff team. Even they speak freely about it. There is something wrong in the system. It would be good if I get my answers as soon as possible.

[Mehmet]

I spoke with so many people in the last month regarding this. They all acknowledge what I said above. People that really contributed to the community in so many ways, including current members of the staff team. Even they speak freely about it. There is something wrong in the system. It would be good if I get my answers as soon as possible.

I try to answer your question.
For me Argonath RPG is user define RP level, it's so open that user could do whatever they want to.

In my opinion, the problems are :
1)Many jobs that don't require interaction among players. People IRL interact with others to share their joke, story,
   experience, feeling and asking for help.

2)Players lack of imagination and character.
    there are a lot of other things, players could do in the Argonath
    1) swimming with your fella.
    2) Do boxing training.
 
3) Only money-driven mindset.
    it's should be more target to achieve the highest level of your character rather than being the richest man in town.
    1) They could be the most respected person.
    2) The best businessman.
    3) The best worker (mechanic, driver).
    4) The best law enforcer.

     Well, the system should give a reward to them in any form either money or property as an encouragement
     (catalyst) for that. The reward could also be in form of token that people could convert it into something useful.
      Obviously, in practical term, people not doin' something for free. (but passion and voluntarism are other things)

------------------------ JUST MY OPINION & I TRY TO ANS YOUR QUESTION-----------------------------------------------

[Jairo.]

Fully agreed with all that bogomil said, i hope he gets his answers.

[Bruce.]

Like I have said multiple times around, the server lacks basic roleplay rules and standarts. And I am very well aware that the whole staff team is trying the best to make the server as more enjoyable as possible to everyone.
I do understand players frustration.
There are some people who are honestly trying to bring some decent quality at the server by teaching their groups to give their best.
On the other hand, we still have people who are in the server just to be a disgrace and ruin other peoples game. Sure we will deal with them by using the best ways to turn that player into being better for himself and for thr server.
There still are people who think they are always right and become stubborn as hell at what they are doing.
To be honest everyone is to be blamed. Developers and HQ gave the players something, players found bugs, thry complained. Some on the proper ways,  some by throwing all kind of shit on developers. Sure some things were broken indeed but there is always a fix for everything.
At the moment developers and HQ are working on RS5.3 and we are all waiting for it. I myself will do my best to insist that they involve staff into testing stuff to get something with less bugs and with more possibilities for players to enjoy.
Lets not start on suggestions that were made on another topic. And I honestly hope that Gandalf will consider turning the server on a better direction. Sure he has no time because he has a family to take care off. The less little thing he can do is to give some freedom to our developers and HQ to make Sa:mp a better place for everyone.

[TheGreasyChopper]

To be honest everyone is to be blamed. Developers and HQ gave the players something, players found bugs, thry complained. Some on the proper ways,  some by throwing all kind of shit on developers. Sure some things were broken indeed but there is always a fix for everything.
At the moment developers and HQ are working on RS5.3 and we are all waiting for it. I myself will do my best to insist that they involve staff into testing stuff to get something with less bugs and with more possibilities for players to enjoy.

You said it yourself, why change the subject? The problem with Argonath is not the scripts and bugs. They are good as they are already. At the direction we are headed right now, by the time RS5.3 is done, there will be only the developers and HQ left to "enjoy it".

Placing down some rules and guidelines on Roleplaying will take no longer than two days, if not less. This has been suggested before, many agreed, members of the development team as well. But that's just what they did - agreed.

It's all about "You're right", "good idea", "we'll do something about it" and that's the end of it. Promises and deadlines which keep being extended, without any sign of interest from the Management.

The question is "Why is nobody doing anything about it?". All we are given are promises and endless deadlines, seeing nothing. It appears that HQ/Management is broken and do not give a damn about their server and keeping it up and running.