Roleplay direction of the server

[Bogomil]

I'm down as long as we keep ARUN out. The current structure and way it works does nothing but actually damage groups and the community. Otherwise, you know I'm right behind ya Mob.

Let's see if ARUN is going to change this time. Perhaps they need someone to tell them what needs to be done

[Marcel]

Instead of complaining how bad ARUN is, why not suggest things that can improve it instead?

[Bogomil]

Instead of complaining how bad ARUN is, why not suggest things that can improve it instead?

We already suggested everything to be transparent and people to focus more on suggesting roleplay ideas rather than requesting scripts for their groups. I personally made tons of suggestions, which were neglected by the one-sided leadership of Sforza in ARUN (that's the truth, don't take it personally). However I'm still here to discuss everything and if ARUN thinks they're ready to listen everyone, I'll be glad to present for tenth time my ideas.

[Darxez]

My PM is always open.

[Khm]

Instead of complaining how bad ARUN is, why not suggest things that can improve it instead?

We already suggested everything to be transparent and people to focus more on suggesting roleplay ideas rather than requesting scripts for their groups. I personally made tons of suggestions, which were neglected by the one-sided leadership of Sforza in ARUN (that's the truth, don't take it personally). However I'm still here to discuss everything and if ARUN thinks they're ready to listen everyone, I'll be glad to present for tenth time my ideas.

Quit the bs, I'm the only person in councils+ from Sforza.
Don't push me to disclose everything you and your pals wrote on ARUN to the public.

[Marcel]

Instead of complaining how bad ARUN is, why not suggest things that can improve it instead?

We already suggested everything to be transparent and people to focus more on suggesting roleplay ideas rather than requesting scripts for their groups. I personally made tons of suggestions, which were neglected by the one-sided leadership of Sforza in ARUN (that's the truth, don't take it personally). However I'm still here to discuss everything and if ARUN thinks they're ready to listen everyone, I'll be glad to present for tenth time my ideas.

The fact you already suggested things to improve ARUN does not mean you can then go around the forums claiming it's all bad. If you really want the community to improve, start by improving your own attitude towards other people and their opinions.

[Bogomil]

The fact you already suggested things to improve ARUN does not mean you can then go around the forums claiming it's all bad. If you really want the community to improve, start by improving your own attitude towards other people and their opinions.

Well everything I say is based on things I witnessed. I don't want to force my opinion, I only want to see the start of the change or at least the start of discussion. Mobius is a great example of what I'm trying to provoke in everyone.
And please don't worry about my attitude.

Quit the bs, I'm the only person in councils+ from Sforza.
Don't push me to disclose everything you and your pals wrote on ARUN to the public.

If we're going to disclose anything you're definitely not in a good position here. However I suggest if you want to continue the discussion to continue it in a proper manner.
I agree that it needs time for all the planned things to get implemented, but if the server clearly wants a change I think the group support side of ARUN should pause for a while and focus on more important things such as:

• settle another long meeting to discuss every single rule in Argonath so rules can be up to date in understandable for every player way
• give tasks to the helpers and strictly follow their work and activity, because they're pretty much in charge of the new players
• find a way to popularize the server

Let's start with appointing another meeting, shall we?

[JackDockz]

From the point of a normal player, Arun did nothing much to alter the quality of rp. It remained mostly the same except the fact that groups became much more supportive of roleplay among high ranking members.

If Arun wants to work for altering roleplay, it needs to involve normal players aswell.

[Clark_Kenton]

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[TheGreasyChopper]

Let's see if ARUN is going to change this time. Perhaps they need someone to tell them what needs to be done

I've told them, I've spend hours working on suggestions and posting them. Still haven't received feedback. Despite leaving ARUN and later closing AOD down, I still believe that I should receive some feedback from HQ.
ARUN's job is to "forward ideas toward HQ for review". I've discussed it with a few members of the mentioned "HQ" and none of the ideas were even brought up to them. My group were to be punished for something that happened outside of Argonath, but it took them ages to decide how to punish us.

When I speak against ARUN I do not do it just to throw shit around and slow down progress, quite the contrary. I'm just saying that it won't work through them because I've seen how it works. That's all.

Quit the bs, I'm the only person in councils+ from Sforza.
Don't push me to disclose everything you and your pals wrote on ARUN to the public.

Please do that, nothing that me or Bogo have said on ARUN meetings/Discord can be shared with the public, I will be glad to "disclose" the reasons I had behind any of the things I said. 



If we want change we gotta start working on it, not planning it, not "reviewing ideas" or whatever. Get in game, roleplay - set an example. You don't need scripts, you don't need groups - there's enough people to do it with. The only thing we need is regulations and rules on Roleplay(such as AOD's main idea which was not reviewed by ARUN).

[Miki.]

 

[Khm]

The last meeting that was held had the sole purpose of asking people how groups should operate in the new version of the game mode and what scripts/features are needed to improve the environment of roleplay for these types of groups, the main suggestion that you gave with your group/friends is creating a system of application to initiate fights/wars against other groups. When most people didn't like it, you went on bashing Sforza although only Hubert, Chester and Darxez (before he became a council) responded to you. The whole meeting is still on forums, those who have diplomats can still see it here. http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=123868.msg1934251#msg1934251

From the point of a normal player, Arun did nothing much to alter the quality of rp. It remained mostly the same except the fact that groups became much more supportive of roleplay among high ranking members.

If Arun wants to work for altering roleplay, it needs to involve normal players aswell.

There was a system being worked on for "normal" players that are noticed on the server by being a good contributor to the roleplay with a real intention of improvements but unfortunately this is the period of exams for me and there are few issues with the staff team these days that most likely will not be solved which I will share them at a later time when I see best.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Let's see if ARUN is going to change this time. Perhaps they need someone to tell them what needs to be done

I've told them, I've spend hours working on suggestions and posting them. Still haven't received feedback. Despite leaving ARUN and later closing AOD down, I still believe that I should receive some feedback from HQ.
ARUN's job is to "forward ideas toward HQ for review". I've discussed it with a few members of the mentioned "HQ" and none of the ideas were even brought up to them. My group were to be punished for something that happened outside of Argonath, but it took them ages to decide how to punish us.

When I speak against ARUN I do not do it just to throw shit around and slow down progress, quite the contrary. I'm just saying that it won't work through them because I've seen how it works. That's all.

Quit the bs, I'm the only person in councils+ from Sforza.
Don't push me to disclose everything you and your pals wrote on ARUN to the public.

Please do that, nothing that me or Bogo have said on ARUN meetings/Discord can be shared with the public, I will be glad to "disclose" the reasons I had behind any of the things I said. 



If we want change we gotta start working on it, not planning it, not "reviewing ideas" or whatever. Get in game, roleplay - set an example. You don't need scripts, you don't need groups - there's enough people to do it with. The only thing we need is regulations and rules on Roleplay(such as AOD's main idea which was not reviewed by ARUN).

Ask the ones who are active (mainly Brian and Bengt) and not those who showed up just few weeks ago, they obviously have a lot to catch up to with the 6 months+ inactivity period.
And Greasy, I will be adding the reason of your reason as well as the full story with some spices.

[Bogomil]

In the last meeting I attended, I represented AoD and TCL. I presented the idea that me and Alfred Corleone had, creating a video tutorial to show the players what they're allowed to do and what they aren't. My second idea was about the properties held by inactive people.

So, what has changed since April? No one even opens the discussion about reviewing the current rules of Argonath. People still come online once per two months to pay their taxes and then go offline, holding very attractive properties.

to summarize:

Meanwhile, in February, I suggested randomizing foreclosure or any type of script to put an end of that greed for properties
I suggested reform in the government system
I suggested reviewing the rules, because some of them are out of date, especially those for gang wars and PG
I suggested helpers to teach the new players how to roleplay, instead of only answering questions
I suggested creating a tutorial for the new players
and more, and more... the list is very long

Many of my ideas had a positive vote. The question is what are you doing about this, Khm? Because great power comes with great responsibilities. I really believe you did/are doing something positive, but why nothing is transparent? I really would like to see the progress of ARUN, to see how our ideas are being developed.

There was a system being worked on for "normal" players that are noticed on the server by being a good contributor to the roleplay with a real intention of improvements but unfortunately this is the period of exams for me and there are few issues with the staff team these days that most likely will not be solved which I will share them at a later time when I see best.

I'll say it really simple - if one community isn't progressing there are possibly two factors that might be the reason of that - bureaucratic model of leadership or lack of interest...or both.

However, speaking of developing the roleplay in the server, I want to mention two people who in my opinion are very helpful and capable of leading that change - @Pete and @Miki. I've witnessed their dedication and I think their type of mindset is what we need as a change.
Every veteran needs to be an example to the new players and in the same time keep the atmosphere friendly.

[Khm]

Spoiler for Hiden:

In the last meeting I attended, I represented AoD and TCL. I presented the idea that me and Alfred Corleone had, creating a video tutorial to show the players what they're allowed to do and what they aren't. My second idea was about the properties held by inactive people.

So, what has changed since April? No one even opens the discussion about reviewing the current rules of Argonath. People still come online once per two months to pay their taxes and then go offline, holding very attractive properties.

to summarize:

Meanwhile, in February, I suggested randomizing foreclosure or any type of script to put an end of that greed for properties
I suggested reform in the government system
I suggested reviewing the rules, because some of them are out of date, especially those for gang wars and PG
I suggested helpers to teach the new players how to roleplay, instead of only answering questions
I suggested creating a tutorial for the new players
and more, and more... the list is very long

Many of my ideas had a positive vote. The question is what are you doing about this, Khm? Because great power comes with great responsibilities. I really believe you did/are doing something positive, but why nothing is transparent? I really would like to see the progress of ARUN, to see how our ideas are being developed.

There was a system being worked on for "normal" players that are noticed on the server by being a good contributor to the roleplay with a real intention of improvements but unfortunately this is the period of exams for me and there are few issues with the staff team these days that most likely will not be solved which I will share them at a later time when I see best.

I'll say it really simple - if one community isn't progressing there are possibly two factors that might be the reason of that - bureaucratic model of leadership or lack of interest...or both.

However, speaking of developing the roleplay in the server, I want to mention two people who in my opinion are very helpful and capable of leading that change - @Pete and @Miki. I've witnessed their dedication and I think their type of mindset is what we need as a change.
Every veteran needs to be an example to the new players and in the same time keep the atmosphere friendly.

For the simple reason, I cannot tell you the progress of scripts until developers actually want to, there are a lot of things that are being worked on and we've all agreed to not show them until when it's the right time. You not seeing it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
About the rules, I was rewriting some that needed a review according to players and was going to put it under a discussion with HQ once done just like I did with the weapon prices and group cleaning but not anymore. I purposely deleted everything. You can blame whoever you want for that.

[Miki.]

I do believe that shit starts from veterans.
I've grown in this community bad times/good times I've always been here I'm here for 7 years now and I grew up learned alot including english different types of personals and alot of things carried together with it. But recently I've found out something that made me give up on this amazing place entirely and after I'd say a few good months of me focusing on only fixing the shit around in the way I think is the right way taking lots of new players under my wing together with a few close friends and simply trying to improve everything and bring it back to it's normal xondition I've found out recently something that made me give up. give up on everything that's why I'm not longer around unless my friends have urgent problems because after all this community is more then gameplay to me it's the place I grew up and made friends, friends that if I gain the possibility I'd like to meet in real life in future and not all of them are IC on my side something people should adapt.

I know alot of people point fingers at ARUN but after all, you guys suggest an idea that doesn't mean it will be done in the close range of time that's why it's a suggestion of an idea - suggestion as it's not surely gonna get created and accepted.
One idea didn't have anything close to the majority of votes and was stubbornly shouted out only because of personal agenda and after all you can't throw all your shit at Arun I'm not saying they did the job perfectly but you need to understand these people were here for no reason but improve things and bring order and every idea they take and actually create will bring two sides - these who agree with it and these who don't and this will make the playerbase split in opinions and might create shit, every decision they take they need to think it out.

The change shouldn't start from nor scripts or ideas - should start from you guys specially veterans - since I lost hope due to something I can't discuss I ask you guys all of you that care about this community as much as I do please start making an actual change instead of pointing fingers at people and throwing shit.
ARUN can't be responsible for shit because all the suggestions were things that never existed yet with out them existing we had amazing player bases in RS5 and a decent roleplay standards that were lost due to all of us lowering our standards roleplay wise.

Veterans start making a chain of standard upgrade and roleplay with each other, I was never helper and never applied to be one but the moment I saw a new player I took him to roleplay around I gave him the first tour of jobs to choose and getting him a phone and a CB, I even went through routes of trucking with him and I PMed him every week about how shit is going on for him. that's how I tryed to make a change and keep this community alive and keep some basic standard but if I had an impact over a few good newbies that I still see around I see no reason that every veteran here will swallow his saltiness towards others OOCly in the community and will actually take his two hands motivation and love towards the community and will start working on it will start helping new players ( helper or not) will start interacting with new players even if they lack understanding or english will interact with the ones he hates the most.

It's a roleplay server it's not a place to hate, it's a community.

Another note all ARUN did game wise is giving out statuses - players who were here to  roleplay can't throw shit at ARUN for not getting statuses or getting false ones, if you're here to roleplay you wouldn't care about statuses and wouldn't let it stop you.