[UNBANNED]Zig banned by Kenji Probably

[Zig]

Your in-game name:
Zig

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Mass DM / N/A

Admin who banned you:
Kenji Probably

When you were banned:
N/A

Additional notes:
What's there to say? I got bored and decided I wanted to kill a bunch of low-tier roleplayers in front of city hall. Kenji told me to stop and I didn't. Insulted an admin and people laughed. Got banned.

I regret it, but at the time the state of the server was deteriorating quickly- I figured it'd be dead soon anyways. That wasn't my excuse or anything, just furthering why I did it. I haven't been here in a while, so I don't know if the server is still getting hacked every week or management is a little funky. Regardless, there seems to be a movement stirring and if the server is about roleplay again- I'd like to be a part of it.

[MrTrane]

It seems that you tend to mess with other people when things don't go your way or while being frustrated about something, you were banned in the past for the same reason and it kinda had the same scenario behind it.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117573.msg1848681#msg1848681

There is some progress indeed but the question is how exactly would you be able to contribute and assist with it? Because obviously there will be something that you might be against or make you frustrated again, how are you going to handle that and will you lose all interest and motivation instead of focusing on whatever goals you might have planned?

[Zig]

It seems that you tend to mess with other people when things don't go your way or while being frustrated about something, you were banned in the past for the same reason and it kinda had the same scenario behind it.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117573.msg1848681#msg1848681

There is some progress indeed but the question is how exactly would you be able to contribute and assist with it? Because obviously there will be something that you might be against or make you frustrated again, how are you going to handle that and will you lose all interest and motivation instead of focusing on whatever goals you might have planned?

Well- that's a hard reply to make. It's under the assumption/generalization that I do these things when things don't go /my/ way, or "frustrated". I feel like the way you put it was too personalized- like I did it because something was directly being pressed onto me. First off- let me start by saying that I didn't kill a bunch of people in the server (this time around) because I was directly angry at them. I came on the server without the initial intent to kill everyone, but at the time there was a good collection of (not to be elitist) low quality roleplayers and people who didn't really speak English that well. "Fair enough, okay, so how does that justify your actions?" Officially, there isn't any rule-related justification but I did get some kind of personal justification from it.

At that point in time, the server was in a pretty dead-end spot. The Cena guys and the majority of management was a lost cause, and truly, I was heavily disappointed with the potential ending of the server I had dumped many hours into. I came onto the server after months of inactivity to see if things had picked up at all. Unsurprisingly, nothing had, and I was already quite disappointed. The roleplay quality on the server was deteriorating and it seemed like nobody had a clue what the server was supposed to be. Economy ran the world, and finding a group of people to have what the server advertised was slim to none.

To get to the actual point, when I had come on the server it was relatively late at night. Don't recall the exact time, but like I had said there was a good amount of middle eastern people gathering around. Don't quote me on this-- but the way I remember it is that it started when a low-tier quality roleplayer (who was a Balla), came up to my car and threatened me. I proceeded to take out an M4 and domed his shit in. I remember the cops getting involved and I just shot them too. Naturally, when stuff like this happens, it's often the case where other people will just make a mosh pit. There might have been a few medics, couple other people, I don't really remember it all. I just remember that I kept killing cops because they were coming back or something. I don't know. Kenji told me to stop shortly after and I didn't- which he then jailed me and banned me because I confessed that after seeing all of that, I didn't want to play on the server anymore and that I didn't care if I was banned (I think).

There is some progress indeed but the question is how exactly would you be able to contribute and assist with it?

Good question. Truthfully- I'm not sure yet. Is the server ready to actually accept contribution and assistance? Are people ready to finally set out what was at one time "dreamed" about since the roleplay quality on the server had fallen so low? It's embarrassing to be so hypocritical on myself with having killed many cops and swooped to their level, but I like to pretend that I did it so they'd leave the server. Nobody was going to teach them how to roleplay, and nobody was going to teach them how to speak proper English.

I have no administrative rank-- so I cannot help manage this community, and I don't believe I'm the best candidate for it either. If I'm making an unban appeal- it already means that I'm returning with the pretense of slightly understanding that some individuals here actually enjoy roleplay. If that's the case, then I'll be contributing by facilitating it. I don't want to waste my time with what was a previously money controlled cesspool, and I was pretty wealthy in the server.

Because obviously there will be something that you might be against or make you frustrated again, how are you going to handle that and will you lose all interest and motivation instead of focusing on whatever goals you might have planned?

Of course there will be things I won't agree with. People love to have opinions. How am I going to handle that? That depends. Are people ready to talk? What I did was in a specific scenario- and under specific circumstances. I wanted my voice to be heard- and I didn't mind being a martyr to have it be heard. Hearing someone be banned from a pretty administrative-lead group is rare. I was sick and tired of the server and some people have coaxed me to come back.

What does my interest and motivation have to do with my ban? If I lose interest and motivation I stop playing. I've done it before. I've left for half a year before, simply because of the state of the server. I focus on what I think is worth my time, and for the moment- I'd like to play on the server again. Will I dedicate my life and swear my sole to Argonath? Of course not. This community hasn't proven to be steady yet, I hope that opinion changes with time.

[Bengt]

In times like this, we need veterans to be the proper role models to new players who are still learning how role-playing works. If new players come to the server and all our veterans do is kill them, what do you expect them to become, good role-players? No. They will be deathmatchers like the veterans who lead the way for them. Argonath does need a change from the HQ side and it will get a change, but none of that matters if our players don't change. The change comes from the veterans who's intentions are pure and good, veterans who contribute enough to show others how to play and act within the community. It's a common misunderstanding in the community, that scripts/rules will be the only thing that needs to be changed. No, we also need the players to change as I said. If you're willing to be the veteran to lead the way and not get frustrated by little things or by expecting something you're in charge of to change without contributing anything, I'll be willing to unban you. What do you say?

[Zig]

In times like this, we need veterans to be the proper role models to new players who are still learning how role-playing works. If new players come to the server and all our veterans do is kill them, what do you expect them to become, good role-players? No. They will be deathmatchers like the veterans who lead the way for them. Argonath does need a change from the HQ side and it will get a change, but none of that matters if our players don't change. The change comes from the veterans who's intentions are pure and good, veterans who contribute enough to show others how to play and act within the community. It's a common misunderstanding in the community, that scripts/rules will be the only thing that needs to be changed. No, we also need the players to change as I said. If you're willing to be the veteran to lead the way and not get frustrated by little things or by expecting something you're in charge of to change without contributing anything, I'll be willing to unban you. What do you say?

In times like this, we need veterans to be the proper role models to new players who are still learning how role-playing works. If new players come to the server and all our veterans do is kill them, what do you expect them to become, good role-players?

I agree with your point but it wasn't what I was digging at. I was trying to say there was a lack of "veterans" to begin with who even had the interest of being role models. The truth of the matter is, the playerbase works like a flock of sheep and if there aren't enough sheep dogs to manage the whole flock, the dogs stop bothering. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm telling you that's how I saw it. I don't have a problem with trying to help people learn how to roleplay, I've done it before.

Argonath does need a change from the HQ side and it will get a change, but none of that matters if our players don't change.

HQ needs to understand that player's actions are determined by the formalities of HQ itself-- and that the both are conjoined and responsible for each other's quality. There's no one sided ratio to it, both the players and the HQ need to get their acts together.

It's a common misunderstanding in the community, that scripts/rules will be the only thing that needs to be changed.  No, we also need the players to change as I said.

Of course it is. People don't want to put the blame onto their own parties (aka the playerbase), they figure it's a management issue instead. If this is a community, then all parties are responsible for the believed deterioration of the server.

If you're willing to be the veteran to lead the way and not get frustrated by little things or by expecting something you're in charge of to change without contributing anything, I'll be willing to unban you. What do you say?

The server's quality is a big deal. I said that it was under a specific set of circumstances that I decided to just kill people. Input equaling output is a very basic concept to understand, and I comprehend it well. I don't mind having initiative with the playerbase to have good experiences, but I believe everyone should carry the same mindset besides the "veterans".

[Andeey]

We are willing to give you another chance, Though if you decide Argonath is not worth your time and decide to break the server rules again, Do not expect to be given another chance.

Unbanned.