Really sad to see this server dying

[Bruce.]

Lmao at people who want RS4. fuck RS4. Sure I appreciate people who scripted it but we do not need RS4.
Like I have said in the past we need basic roleplay rules and standarts. Metagaming Powergaming Out Of Character and In Character. If we do not have those we are hardly even called a "light" roleplay server.
Another thing is people hate and toxicity towards each other. M That killed the server. Get rid of Play To Win mentality and we can make half of a step towards something promising.

[Khm]

Gta san andreas is pretty old. That's whatsup. People will eventually move to newer games

another reason is SAMP being an old platform and samp it's self is dying thus argonath SAMP as well and most other platforms too. unless this community advances into newer brands of the game it will eventually die sooner or later preferably gta v (since gta iv is really buggy IVMP wise) and I doubt this will happen.

It's not the client nor the script, people are just not encouraged to stick around. Argonath offers barely any unique aspects that might keep the new players or get the vets to return.

90/1000 just means that the playerbase is waaaaaay too low, most of the servers that have 1000/1000 are just full of bots not players.

[IgliBerberi]

Server isnt dying because peoples are growing up, this server has no age, which means, if it is really funny and entertain me, I won't stop playing, doesnt matter my age, I always will find the time to play.

Honestly, as I have seen around the reason is by trollers, dm'ers.

There is a new player which login and want to play to the server, there is a troller on public chat who troll with this new player, what do you think he is going to do? He still will play? No, he won't.

I been present sometimes when a newbie needed help, I did /helpers, there was many online, none gave a fuck ( won't metion names for a better community ) , so how the new player will think? He'll say none helps, this server sucks et cetera words.

About old players which leaved the server are many reasons, many of them are because new games released and samp is now useless, lets take an example, have seen a lot of Argonath players playing IV:MP or Fortnite, which means, is exchanging the current, because these games are better, but hey, what if we try to make samp better and try to do some incredible things and updates to the server?

Another thing is, have been present when a newbie has been dm'ed, I was like wtf, honestly sorry, but online admin didnt gave a fuck, instead of helping this newbie they dm him, which makes this newbie to leave the server.

About deathmatch, when I was new I been dm'ed daily by many groups ( No need to mention names ) , and for like two times I was about to quit the server, but once though, I can do it, and yeah, I did it, made some changes and they did good. But what about other players? They be dm'ed daily and will quit. The only way to fix this is punishment, everyone should be punished, doesnt matter, old or new, if he is breaking the rules, he should be punished, because rules are for everyone same, not for the oldest different.

Thats all I think though, my opinion, maybe it isnt real, but in my eyes it is.

[Bennzy]

Server isnt dying because peoples are growing up, this server has no age, which means, if it is really funny and entertain me, I won't stop playing, doesnt matter my age, I always will find the time to play.

Honestly, as I have seen around the reason is by trollers, dm'ers.

There is a new player which login and want to play to the server, there is a troller on public chat who troll with this new player, what do you think he is going to do? He still will play? No, he won't.

I been present sometimes when a newbie needed help, I did /helpers, there was many online, none gave a fuck ( won't metion names for a better community ) , so how the new player will think? He'll say none helps, this server sucks et cetera words.

About old players which leaved the server are many reasons, many of them are because new games released and samp is now useless, lets take an example, have seen a lot of Argonath players playing IV:MP or Fortnite, which means, is exchanging the current, because these games are better, but hey, what if we try to make samp better and try to do some incredible things and updates to the server?

Another thing is, have been present when a newbie has been dm'ed, I was like wtf, honestly sorry, but online admin didnt gave a fuck, instead of helping this newbie they dm him, which makes this newbie to leave the server.

About deathmatch, when I was new I been dm'ed daily by many groups ( No need to mention names ) , and for like two times I was about to quit the server, but once though, I can do it, and yeah, I did it, made some changes and they did good. But what about other players? They be dm'ed daily and will quit. The only way to fix this is punishment, everyone should be punished, doesnt matter, old or new, if he is breaking the rules, he should be punished, because rules are for everyone same, not for the oldest different.

Thats all I think though, my opinion, maybe it isnt real, but in my eyes it is.

Don't you know there is a punishment called "Verbal warning"? People got scared from it, they don't break rules then they always play with the rules, LOL, nothing gonna happen, just wait for gandalf to show up and do something :P

[IgliBerberi]

Server isnt dying because peoples are growing up, this server has no age, which means, if it is really funny and entertain me, I won't stop playing, doesnt matter my age, I always will find the time to play.

Honestly, as I have seen around the reason is by trollers, dm'ers.

There is a new player which login and want to play to the server, there is a troller on public chat who troll with this new player, what do you think he is going to do? He still will play? No, he won't.

I been present sometimes when a newbie needed help, I did /helpers, there was many online, none gave a fuck ( won't metion names for a better community ) , so how the new player will think? He'll say none helps, this server sucks et cetera words.

About old players which leaved the server are many reasons, many of them are because new games released and samp is now useless, lets take an example, have seen a lot of Argonath players playing IV:MP or Fortnite, which means, is exchanging the current, because these games are better, but hey, what if we try to make samp better and try to do some incredible things and updates to the server?

Another thing is, have been present when a newbie has been dm'ed, I was like wtf, honestly sorry, but online admin didnt gave a fuck, instead of helping this newbie they dm him, which makes this newbie to leave the server.

About deathmatch, when I was new I been dm'ed daily by many groups ( No need to mention names ) , and for like two times I was about to quit the server, but once though, I can do it, and yeah, I did it, made some changes and they did good. But what about other players? They be dm'ed daily and will quit. The only way to fix this is punishment, everyone should be punished, doesnt matter, old or new, if he is breaking the rules, he should be punished, because rules are for everyone same, not for the oldest different.

Thats all I think though, my opinion, maybe it isnt real, but in my eyes it is.

Don't you know there is a punishment called "Verbal warning"? People got scared from it, they don't break rules then they always play with the rules, LOL, nothing gonna happen, just wait for gandalf to show up and do something :P

No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login.  Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.

[Younes]

No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login.  Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.

Easier said than done 

[Bruce.]

No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login.  Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.

No. Ban 1 trollers and all his friends will never login. Ban 1 dmer and all his group will never login. Its is not simple at all. If we were gonna go for instantly ban people then we would have anyone left in the server. We try to make people understand their wrongdoings. If someone wants to be stubborn as hell, then we can go with a more harsher punishment.
Since people love to cry about "Verbal Warnings". Yes we do give allot of verbal warnings. I myself give a shit tone of verbal warnings. But If I see the same shit happening again from the same people No more verbal warnings. If you want us to be strict, sure we can be. But dont start bitching or crying for being too harsh.

[Miki.]

No. Ban 1 trollers and all his friends will never login. Ban 1 dmer and all his group will never login. Its is not simple at all. If we were gonna go for instantly ban people then we would have anyone left in the server. We try to make people understand their wrongdoings. If someone wants to be stubborn as hell, then we can go with a more harsher punishment.
Since people love to cry about "Verbal Warnings". Yes we do give allot of verbal warnings. I myself give a shit tone of verbal warnings. But If I see the same shit happening again from the same people No more verbal warnings. If you want us to be strict, sure we can be. But dont start bitching or crying for being too harsh.

I respect you work as a staff member and it's not directed to you by any mean.
But current punishing is broken I see no reason for a veteran that DMed to be verbally warned unless it's a tricky situation and he really didn't acknowledge the fact he is DMing. but I see countless times when Veterans are getting away with the most basic rule breaking and this is f**ked up. When a new player logs in he is looking at the veteran behavior and every new player I try to help out PMes me a few days later that a group hunts him won't mention which groups but mostly it goes around the same pattern and when such groups of veterans are going around destroying first impression for new players you won't see the playerbase growing. instead of focusing on bringing old veterans back create new ones. leaving this community is hard enough for old veterans due to amount of friends and connections you create here if they left they had a good reason.

Igli is right on that - I don't care the troller will take his friends with him and leave player base is dead any way at least have the left overs quality ones and let the people who are loyal to the community enjoy their staying instead of slowly but surely making them leave ( quality ones) with the fact the ones who are ruining keep being protected.

I'm not saying go harsh and straight ban people but at least /warn for veterans that clearly knew what they've done.

@TheGreasyChopper These servers are full of DMers they simply camp the known places and murder everyone and admins can barely properly handle situations due to amounts of people and as Khm mentioned ALOT of servers are filled with bots and NPCS.   

over all in my opinion the problems are in punishing this will fix the behavior of veterans and might even push off the ones who aren't here to play by the rules and this will carry an immediate impact on new player's first impression and new player's standards and over all RP standards.

Don't protect the ones who clearly aren't willing to put an effort for this community, this way you won't push off the ones who are willing.

EDIT: I do understand that killing a new player isn't necessarily a rulebreak but new players constantly used to PM me they get hunted more then once and it's mostly not roleplayed properly and when new players gets killed with minimum roleplay that's what he'll return later since that's what he learns. There are different ways to show your 'power' as a group to a newplayer you don't need to kill him alot of times that's the absurd reason I hear - He is new in town so lets get our men grouped and kill him to show him we are strong and who rules.

when I used to RPly approach new players that are already introduced around it was during the 24/7 roleplay plan I had I couldn't really PM them so I simply stopped the car next to them spoke to them and left my phone over for dirty works. that was my kind of approach and god damn we got some unique and creative people around here that can make up so many awesome roleplays use it on roleplay ffs not on how to be a douche.

[Hevar.]

Gta san andreas is pretty old. That's whatsup. People will eventually move to newer games

another reason is SAMP being an old platform and samp it's self is dying thus argonath SAMP as well and most other platforms too. unless this community advances into newer brands of the game it will eventually die sooner or later preferably gta v (since gta iv is really buggy IVMP wise) and I doubt this will happen.

It's not the client nor the script, people are just not encouraged to stick around. Argonath offers barely any unique aspects that might keep the new players or get the vets to return.

Holy shit those server at top got like 555 players online, i bet they do updates every week or something haha

[Khm]

Gta san andreas is pretty old. That's whatsup. People will eventually move to newer games

another reason is SAMP being an old platform and samp it's self is dying thus argonath SAMP as well and most other platforms too. unless this community advances into newer brands of the game it will eventually die sooner or later preferably gta v (since gta iv is really buggy IVMP wise) and I doubt this will happen.

It's not the client nor the script, people are just not encouraged to stick around. Argonath offers barely any unique aspects that might keep the new players or get the vets to return.

Holy shit those server at top got like 555 players online, i bet they do updates every week or something haha

Read... Most of them are just bots, I personally visited servers like that and hackers were everywhere.

[Hevar.]

Time for Argonath to focus on V:MP and i bet everyone can run GTA V these days

[Matteo.]

Server isnt dying because peoples are growing up, this server has no age, which means, if it is really funny and entertain me, I won't stop playing, doesnt matter my age, I always will find the time to play.

Honestly, as I have seen around the reason is by trollers, dm'ers.

There is a new player which login and want to play to the server, there is a troller on public chat who troll with this new player, what do you think he is going to do? He still will play? No, he won't.

I been present sometimes when a newbie needed help, I did /helpers, there was many online, none gave a fuck ( won't metion names for a better community ) , so how the new player will think? He'll say none helps, this server sucks et cetera words.

About old players which leaved the server are many reasons, many of them are because new games released and samp is now useless, lets take an example, have seen a lot of Argonath players playing IV:MP or Fortnite, which means, is exchanging the current, because these games are better, but hey, what if we try to make samp better and try to do some incredible things and updates to the server?

Another thing is, have been present when a newbie has been dm'ed, I was like wtf, honestly sorry, but online admin didnt gave a fuck, instead of helping this newbie they dm him, which makes this newbie to leave the server.

About deathmatch, when I was new I been dm'ed daily by many groups ( No need to mention names ) , and for like two times I was about to quit the server, but once though, I can do it, and yeah, I did it, made some changes and they did good. But what about other players? They be dm'ed daily and will quit. The only way to fix this is punishment, everyone should be punished, doesnt matter, old or new, if he is breaking the rules, he should be punished, because rules are for everyone same, not for the oldest different.

Thats all I think though, my opinion, maybe it isnt real, but in my eyes it is.

Don't you know there is a punishment called "Verbal warning"? People got scared from it, they don't break rules then they always play with the rules, LOL, nothing gonna happen, just wait for gandalf to show up and do something :P

No, it can be fixed, no verbal warning, just ban. ban 1 troller = 5 players will login.  Ban 1 dm er = 10 player will login, simple.

How can you be sure for that? we should have to improve ourselves and how we pattern first, and I'm sure new players or other things will come on this server and also ban someone will not change anything.

[Jairo.]

RS4 had alot of bugs and was way easier to earn money, what i think is that argonath should be harder to earn money or in some way making people focus on roleplay instead of earning money, i know it's a light rp server and that's why that's one of the reasons new players that are interested on roleplay don't stick around

[Darty]

a light rp server

Get rid of this fucking mentality. Force people to roleplay if they come in - game.

[Bruce.]

I respect you work as a staff member and it's not directed to you by any mean.
But current punishing is broken I see no reason for a veteran that DMed to be verbally warned unless it's a tricky situation and he really didn't acknowledge the fact he is DMing. but I see countless times when Veterans are getting away with the most basic rule breaking and this is f**ked up. When a new player logs in he is looking at the veteran behavior and every new player I try to help out PMes me a few days later that a group hunts him won't mention which groups but mostly it goes around the same pattern and when such groups of veterans are going around destroying first impression for new players you won't see the playerbase growing. instead of focusing on bringing old veterans back create new ones. leaving this community is hard enough for old veterans due to amount of friends and connections you create here if they left they had a good reason.

Well I rather investigate a report even for days if necesaary and at the end explain everything to both parties and then punish people then gping for straight bans and shit like that.
I personaly am not the kind of staff member that instantly warns or bans people without a good reasoning behind it. I understand that Veterans do also break rules but if there is nothing serious on their wrongdoings i chose to leave a verbal warning behind it. But if its done again then I go harsher.
Now about thr new players. I do respect the idea to bring new players in the server. BUT lets both me and you place ourselves in the place of a new player. Do you see the server being a roleplay server or a freeroam/dm server. I personally wouldnt see it as a roleplay server. Not with main chat and blips in it. Like I mentioned on a post above. We need roleplay rules and standarts to make Argonath a better place for new players. And for the hope to return the old veterans.