ArgonathRPG SA:MP with 2 players online? What happened?

[TheGreasyChopper]

2 AFK players left, the past situation was not as bad yeah there were 30 players but not open minded to interact some people were just so close that they make their RP plan before approaching interaction and if plans don't go their way they start crying leaving server for a few days and all of this kind of constant shit. The beauty of roleplay is improvising and going with the flow you can expect shit to go your way every scene that's why roleplay is not one sided but yeah if you can't take being over powered with man power or out roleplayed some  people should just keep posting screens of self roleplay which mostly is fake as well and avoid interacting with others.

But yeah script is not in any way the reason server dies I personally can't give a sh*t about the script I don't mean to disrespect developers scripters they are doing a great job but you can't go blaming on them all the time they did nothing wrong after all you shouldn't need scripts to roleplay by any mean that's just a bonus. we had worse times script wise with outstanding roleplay it's all about some literal cancer group of people that stick by each other running all the players over with punishments taken properties constant pathetic hunting. keep giving your close friends favors abusively look where it gets you this down road won't stop unless this changes. Some of you might not know about this some might but shit is way more complicated then what a certain group of people constantly posts on topic " RP is dead because of toxic people everything is biased" these exact people are the toxic ones who are hiding behind pathetic actions of abusive usage of power for friendships.
They scream biased based on nothing but assuming pure shit, but funny thing certain people don't actually go screaming that fact less.

You didn't seem so upset when it was your group pulling everyone's strings and having people in high places.
You keep talking about how you did this and that, how you influenced new players and how you had ideas, I keep seeing your walls of text on the problematic topics the last few weeks. Yet I haven't seen you do shit in-game.

Now when rules are starting to be re-worked, when people are doing something, everyone's jumping because they dislike the people who enforce the rules, while they asked for these rules themselves.

You seem to be very well aware of these 2-3 AFK players on the server, but my bet is you see them through the SA:MP client. You don't bother going IG. Well do so, get in game, call over a few friends - interact. Go out on a shooting range, go work at the quarry, organize some positive scenarios.

You people need to grow a fucking pair and stop seeing through your pink sunglasses. If there's a problem with a certain manager - call him out, if you got a problem with some specific group - call them out, talk with them. Tell them the problems you see and help them fix these problems so we can actually do something about it.

We can't do anything but die off, unless people get down and talk. Stop throwing accusations and subtly hinting that a certain group or manager fucked up. Most of us have discord - DM them, explain what you see wrong in their actions - suggest an alternative. Pointing fingers won't get you anywhere.

[Darty]

. If there's a problem with a certain manager - call him out, if you got a problem with some specific group - call them out, talk with them. Tell them the problems you see and help them fix these problems so we can actually do something about it.

Oh, you don't know how many times I've called a manager out. " But hey, why solve the problem in public and understand my mistakes, when I can act innocent in his discord? " Post deleted. Accept the truth. Management is doing nothing positive.

[TheGreasyChopper]

. If there's a problem with a certain manager - call him out, if you got a problem with some specific group - call them out, talk with them. Tell them the problems you see and help them fix these problems so we can actually do something about it.

Oh, you don't know how many times I've called a manager out. " But hey, why solve the problem in public and understand my mistakes, when I can act innocent in his discord? " Post deleted. Accept the truth. Management is doing nothing positive.

Have you spoken with them? Forum PMed them about what they are doing wrong? Suggest how they can fix it? Because I sincerely doubt it. All the shit you threw at a certain someone earlier today when we spoke, you still failed to provide an example of what he did wrong. In order to change someone you gotta show them their problem. Why make changes in HQ membership and risk changes taking months, when you can simply help the current HQ change their attitude and understanding?

If you got your post deleted, it's most likely because you structured it incorrectly, probably just threw shit at the manager in question.
See, if you wanna criticize follow a structure:
State who the person in question is.
State what he did wrong.
State why you think he did it wrong.
State how it personally affected you or your group.
Suggest how he can fix the problem.
Provide an alternative and suggest what you would have done.

Don't throw shit, don't talk shit, don't call people names and point fingers unless you can do their job better than them.

[Miki.]

You didn't seem so upset when it was your group pulling everyone's strings and having people in high places.
You keep talking about how you did this and that, how you influenced new players and how you had ideas, I keep seeing your walls of text on the problematic topics the last few weeks. Yet I haven't seen you do shit in-game.

Now when rules are starting to be re-worked, when people are doing something, everyone's jumping because they dislike the people who enforce the rules, while they asked for these rules themselves.

You seem to be very well aware of these 2-3 AFK players on the server, but my bet is you see them through the SA:MP client. You don't bother going IG. Well do so, get in game, call over a few friends - interact. Go out on a shooting range, go work at the quarry, organize some positive scenarios.

You people need to grow a fucking pair and stop seeing through your pink sunglasses. If there's a problem with a certain manager - call him out, if you got a problem with some specific group - call them out, talk with them. Tell them the problems you see and help them fix these problems so we can actually do something about it.

We can't do anything but die off, unless people get down and talk. Stop throwing accusations and subtly hinting that a certain group or manager fucked up. Most of us have discord - DM them, explain what you see wrong in their actions - suggest an alternative. Pointing fingers won't get you anywhere.

First of all if you want to continue shitting about my group and our "strings" bring facts I can't respect you less for shitting constantly on something you don't have an idea about you want me to clear our name? come in discord I'll give you all the proves you need to understand we didn't pull a single string and we didn't cause anything. I won't be discussing it here any longer because I'm kind of tired of you and your "I will leave the server" and coming after two days " oh I'm back" but yeah these two days were enough to pull your own strings and cause shit around you're now going full charge on me not logging in and making a change but you're the one leaving 4 times a month out of rage or what ever I left for good now and that's because I have solid proofs unlike you throwing shit at a person who gave his free time entirely to map develop and re write rules it's easy to assume things when you get fucked instead of actually taking a good look and view over the actions and try to understand shit but yeah be free to just PM me  on discord "show me " and I'll get you the clearing of the 'strings' that we never pulled and actually the person you constantly shit about and throw blames was very very very  supportive on your side untill it came to a certain mistake the same person you claimed biased constantly was the one to scare our members the most of being punished we didn't get punished and fuck up because he constantly told us " If I see something happening you should start praying I won't reach to you before another admin because if he warns you I'll fucking ban you myself" I hate people who throw shit with out facts ruining people's names.

Thing is I'm not logging in any more not because I'm lazy to make a change, when I was active I gave my all to new players and future generation I helped them and taught them not out of a position or responsibility, but out of respect to the community that I grew up with and I care about and I left now because I have enough information to understand there is no reason any more to log on and I ain't leaving for two days I'm leaving untill this shit is fixed which won't likely happen because the whole problem is from the core of the core.

[Pete]

Topic is about the 2 players online, not about which group pull the stings.

And while you think HQ doesn't answer - they do, I've had so much stuff brought up to them and they've answered (might have took some time but they aren't 24/7 ON so yeah)

[Miki.]

Topic is about the 2 players online, not about which group pull the stings.

And while you think HQ doesn't answer - they do, I've had so much stuff brought up to them and they've answered (might have took some time but they aren't 24/7 ON so yeah)

Their answers don't mean much. we went private with strings discussion either way.

[Zlatan]

I don't mean to cause any hassle - however what is quoted here is true:

Back in a few years, I suggested that the old RS3 car system comes back, and I've been accused by some of the staff for being "money hungry" and disrespecting CBFasi's great contributions to the community, even though I had millions in my account, interesting properties including a mansion and a business in Pershing Square, not to mention the cars. And guess what, that system is back. Yes, cars are available at dealers, but people are selling their own cars now as they did back in old times.

Whenever I suggested or gave the IDEA that RS5 is going to fail, mainly because the old players are leaving due to Argonath's MAJOR unnecessary script changes - I got a "banana" or a kick, once I even got banned because I said RS5 is unnecessary - where is the freedom of speech? I never disrespected the scripters or the community members however I did get banned for that reason...

Why can't the "Argonath's most influential super assertive - administrative big boys" just take the blame? You ruined the server whether you like it or not. Argonath (atleast in SA:MP) has lost the original idea of light, fun roleplay, which made it so unique and lovable... Even the Argonath TEAMSPEAK server is empty most of the times, if not, at best, there is atleast 2-3 AFK guys... just like in SA:MP...

[Miki.]

I don't mean to cause any hassle - however what is quoted here is true:

Back in a few years, I suggested that the old RS3 car system comes back, and I've been accused by some of the staff for being "money hungry" and disrespecting CBFasi's great contributions to the community, even though I had millions in my account, interesting properties including a mansion and a business in Pershing Square, not to mention the cars. And guess what, that system is back. Yes, cars are available at dealers, but people are selling their own cars now as they did back in old times.

Whenever I suggested or gave the IDEA that RS5 is going to fail, mainly because the old players are leaving due to Argonath's MAJOR unnecessary script changes - I got a "banana" or a kick, once I even got banned because I said RS5 is unnecessary - where is the freedom of speech? I never disrespected the scripters or the community members however I did get banned for that reason...

Why can't the "Argonath's most influential super assertive - administrative big boys" just take the blame? You ruined the server whether you like it or not. Argonath (atleast in SA:MP) has lost the original idea of light, fun roleplay, which made it so unique and lovable... Even the Argonath TEAMSPEAK server is empty most of the times, if not, at best, there is atleast 2-3 AFK guys... just like in SA:MP...

True scripts were never the ones who create roleplay, and you can't blame it on players because it's the same type of players that always been in argonath and will always be, some even are veterans from it's early days the blame is way up there.

[Zlatan]

I suggest the big boys of Argonath start doing some work if they don't want to see Argonath failing completely in SA:MP...

Let's start by assigning work - especially to the developers.
Stop making Argonath what Argonath is not about, which is HARD CORE ROLEPLAY.
We don't want trucking jobs or automated jobs, we don't need countless scripts, mobile banks, wallets and such complications.
We don't need a desert eagle, being one of the cheapest weapons - PRICED AT $10,000...
We don't need hardcore scripts, we need the old players to teach the newcomers that scripts aren't necessary for roleplay - you can literally roleplay with only TEXT.

I'm not saying get rid of the Argonath scripts, but just stop overcomplicating everything, even the deagle, how are cops supposed to have crimes when a criminal can't even get access to a weapon? Is that fair by any means?

[Matt Murdock]

I'm not saying get rid of the Argonath scripts, but just stop overcomplicating everything, even the deagle, how are cops supposed to have crimes when a criminal can't even get access to a weapon? Is that fair by any means?

That's the thing, Cop roleplay isn't supposed to be all about "Criminals". Nor how many criminals they shot down on a specific day. Same goes the other way.

Topic is about the 2 players online, not about which group pull the stings.

And while you think HQ doesn't answer - they do, I've had so much stuff brought up to them and they've answered (might have took some time but they aren't 24/7 ON so yeah)

Answers don't do anything. Actions do. 

There's a bug? New features? How about at least weekly updates instead of taking 6 months to do a simple thing.

Crafting, Farming, Cooking, Drugs market, Market mall. All these things and more have been broken in the server in recent times and some of them still haven't been fixed. It has probably been well over a year and half since crafting was "supposed to return with improvements", months since "Market mall will be the new center of roleplays" and instead died out even more. And all these when Argonath even has a development server where "improved" things can be scripted and developed without having even base script being taken out from the main server until the update is ready.

It is not about a group, it is not about a person. It is about "the community", the day everyone gets out of "me" "my group" mindset and thinks and works for the community that will be the day Argonath will see hope again.

Till then, even 70 percent or more of staff team will enjoy other servers/games which provide these basic necessities.

Do you want to RP with 2 people? been there done that, got bored, moved on. Good luck.

[Dangerous]

Actual roleplay with 2-3 people or roam around in a server with 30 players where 28 grind drugs or do trucking 85% of the time ?
 I'd pick the first option.

I'd love to see your roleplay with your 2-3 players.

[Marcel]

I can't judge at all bcz of my inactivity,... but since all players are leaving the server, shows openly the fact that they are bored of its current situation. There's no development team, showing real interest on developing the server scripts,... why should players show interest playing? Well, players can't wait 1 year for a minor change becouse they're lacking of developers... It's not their problem at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they moved to another server, would i? Can't talk for current staff's behaviour...

In case you haven't noticed, there is an active development team. We did indeed release some updates to 5.2 that the community asked for. In the mean time, we are making a lot of progress on 5.3.

Or you can just throw one update in 2 3 weeks. I am afraid at the time you will release 5.3 the server is gonna be worst then it currently is.

The main issue is that many of the features that the community wants require a lot of work under the hood. In some cases, they require a rewrite of large parts of core scripts.

The result is that the development team must make a hard choice between either 1) focusing on 5.2 and add small stuff, or 2) focusing on 5.3 and push for the larger, more important changes that will affect the script in the long run.

So far, we have done both and that hasn't worked out well. My preference is to focus on 5.3 and do things the right way.

[Darty]

Have you spoken with them? Forum PMed them about what they are doing wrong? Suggest how they can fix it? Because I sincerely doubt it. All the shit you threw at a certain someone earlier today when we spoke, you still failed to provide an example of what he did wrong. In order to change someone you gotta show them their problem. Why make changes in HQ membership and risk changes taking months, when you can simply help the current HQ change their attitude and understanding?

If you got your post deleted, it's most likely because you structured it incorrectly, probably just threw shit at the manager in question.
See, if you wanna criticize follow a structure:
State who the person in question is.
State what he did wrong.
State why you think he did it wrong.
State how it personally affected you or your group.
Suggest how he can fix the problem.
Provide an alternative and suggest what you would have done.

Don't throw shit, don't talk shit, don't call people names and point fingers unless you can do their job better than them.

I've done all of that so many times, and I'm fucking fed up with this. You can't act innocent. You wanted ARUN down? There you go. It's not even active now. ARUN was probably the last chance for this server to create a proper roleplay standart. You haven't done anything better.  Ya'll want the server to die? Keep doing what you're doing. I couldn't give less of a fuck, but I feel bad about this server. I didn't threw shit, you got the facts out there, every veteran is saying it. Look at the current state. I asked you before, do you feel like going ig with 3 pakis that are there driving their infernuses around? Well sorry, I don't. This management is doing nothing but making things worse. Don't get butthurt, it's my (and a lot of more people's) opinion.

About throwing shit, you went on to throw shit at VIS without even knowing the guys. They're absolutely great guys. Everyone makes mistakes, but you can't talk shit about someone you don't know. And I know the ones which i criticise. Everyone does. So please, open your eyes, don't let anyone make you blind, I alredy told you that.

[Kacper_Gorski]

ArgonathRPG SA:MP with 2 players online? What happened?

we all know what happened

[Ramis]

Some of the staff are living in a bubble. Not really seeing what's going on. This wont go very far. I mean having 2-3 players on evening hours (EST) or like up to five people on saturdays or sundays? It's really not 99% of the playerbase having exams , is it?