Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.

[Miki.]

Let's be honest on this. No one cares anymore. No one really gives a flying crap about what the server had became or what it's going to be. As long as we are just going to blame each other and just pretend that "WE" must fix it or "THEY" must fix it, then the server could be declared to it's own grave from now. I'm not going to lie. I used to have hope until today. I personally no longer believe that the server's situation will change, especially since almost two months have passed and no one really gives a crap about it.

Plenty give a crap, just not the ones who should and not the ones who can do something with their will.

[Younes]

Let's be honest on this. No one cares anymore. No one really gives a flying crap about what the server had became or what it's going to be. As long as we are just going to blame each other and just pretend that "WE" must fix it or "THEY" must fix it, then the server could be declared to it's own grave from now. I'm not going to lie. I used to have hope until today. I personally no longer believe that the server's situation will change, especially since almost two months have passed and no one really gives a crap about it.

Plenty give a crap, just not the ones who should and not the ones who can do something with their will.

Giving a crap is not just writing endless posts in the forum. If I and you and the rest of the community members really gave a crap, we would be in game now roleplaying. It is true that no one likes to play alone or with barely 5 players in the server, especially when there are plenty of other servers you can play on.. but it's also true that If I and you and everyone else decided to play in game, it would work out. Though this all needs the upper hand to start swinging the rescue rope to rescue the server.

[Miki.]

Let's be honest on this. No one cares anymore. No one really gives a flying crap about what the server had became or what it's going to be. As long as we are just going to blame each other and just pretend that "WE" must fix it or "THEY" must fix it, then the server could be declared to it's own grave from now. I'm not going to lie. I used to have hope until today. I personally no longer believe that the server's situation will change, especially since almost two months have passed and no one really gives a crap about it.


Plenty give a crap, just not the ones who should and not the ones who can do something with their will.

Why would I play in a place that works against me? I game more then enough to try and always raise standards in this server and this community is something I grew on but the moment it started discriminating some people and it started working in a full chaos from it's core I won't be contributing won't be appearing I won't put my work into something that others will take advantage and destroy in-front of my own eyes, remember my words sooner or later shit always floats and trust me it will float big time and it will carry a massive impact more then current upper playing around did. if some one doesn't give a shit about the community he can fly away as simple as that.

Writing on forums only shows some people do care, I don't log in because of what I stated but I do care and I'm willing to put effort the moment upper view buckles up and actually lets the players do their own thing instead of being power hungry and do what ever the fuck they want because I won't be wasting any more time I put enough work for the past year only to find out for who I did it and now I feel like an idiot.

Giving a crap is not just writing endless posts in the forum. If I and you and the rest of the community members really gave a crap, we would be in game now roleplaying. It is true that no one likes to play alone or with barely 5 players in the server, especially when there are plenty of other servers you can play on.. but it's also true that If I and you and everyone else decided to play in game, it would work out. Though this all needs the upper hand to start swinging the rescue rope to rescue the server.

[Bogomil]

Younes, you know I respect you, but shitposting on forums for 2 months that no one gives a fuck and in the same time holding admin position without logging in at least once - I think that's not right, mate. You either start giving a fuck or stop posting crap on forums how no one cares about Argonath. And this is addressed to anyone that thinks Argonath is done. I am online now. I'll be online tomorrow - if you still care, join me. If you don't...

[Julio.]

I'm fairly positive the majority of the bullshit won't follow into FiveM from the players who actually log in to the server. We can all think why 

Who said the bullshit and problem has something to do with the players though, considering that the problems and bs will most likely move to fiveM.

Well, by definition anyone who visits the server is a player, so what are you referring to? If you mean members on the forum then that's a forum issue, not SA:MP. If the problems move to FiveM, it's the players. Admin team are players, mods are players, everyone is a player. 

[Younes]

Younes, you know I respect you, but shitposting on forums for 2 months that no one gives a fuck and in the same time holding admin position without logging in at least once - I think that's not right, mate. You either start giving a fuck or stop posting crap on forums how no one cares about Argonath. And this is addressed to anyone that thinks Argonath is done. I am online now. I'll be online tomorrow - if you still care, join me. If you don't...

I only respond like this because it's the truth. I'm not the asslick type that's going to sit back and praise the HQ and the players while we all know things are fucked up.
If you're not going to play, why would you care about my playtime? I'm not the type of people that play alone in a server when there are plenty of other offers and also my life to take care of.
We have been given endless promises but never seen anything besides hate spreading around the forum and continuous argument between staff and players or staff and developers or the community versus developers in general.

I only respond here because I want things to be fixed and rather return to my normal activity because Argonath is the community I always liked and always kept above everything, and leaving it in this state would just mean I have literally done nothing for it and would mean I personally failed my duties towards the community.

This division does not need asslicking and sitting back and watching. It needs actions. If my posts about how people are just continuously and uselessly arguing in the forum instead of doing things, this refers to both HQ players; Then I'm stopping here. This will be my final post.

As for my response, it's not as an admin; It's as a player. I'am afterall a player of the Argonath RPG SAMP division, and as much as you care about it I also do.

As for my activity, if you're going to continuously argue about it when we literally hit zero players in game or just five who are literally trolling around and no one gives a crap about roleplaying, then you're wrong. I got better things to do than waste time. Neither players or HQ can expect someone to be active when the whole server is inactive because that'd rather be unfair.

Instead of attacking each other, let's take a step forward to improvement or let us just lay down ourselves and move on instead of keeping up the hope.

EDIT:
Oh and for your information I returned from a reported inactivity on the 29th of June. Ever since then I found the server completely dead and unplayable even though I have been so badly waiting for the moment I finish my exams and get to play again.

[Miki.]

I'm fairly positive the majority of the bullshit won't follow into FiveM from the players who actually log in to the server. We can all think why 

Who said the bullshit and problem has something to do with the players though, considering that the problems and bs will most likely move to fiveM.

Well by that definition yeah the problem is players, players with all the power.

Well, by definition anyone who visits the server is a player, so what are you referring to? If you mean members on the forum then that's a forum issue, not SA:MP. If the problems move to FiveM, it's the players. Admin team are players, mods are players, everyone is a player. 

[Reckless]

The more time goes on, the more I start to believe that SA:MP is no longer the way forwards.

I don't get much chance to play games these days at all, but the way I see it is that ultimately players are going to play on whatever platform they enjoy the most. They can be tempted away by nifty scripts and being online with 200+ players, but if that's not being offered, then they're 100% going to gravitate to a more modern, sophisticated platform.

Argonath in SA:MP originates from around 2007, San Andreas was released in 2004. It was only 3 years old! Now we're looking at an 11 year old game which is miles behind modern equivalents. Even GTA v is 5 years old, but if FiveM is looking like a credible project with less sync issues and better support than IV:MP then it's a no-brainer to all involved to push towards the more modern game.

I don't know a single person under 20 in my country attracted to newly introducing themselves to San Andreas as would've been the case in 2007. Sure, like VC based platforms we can keep them running as legacy, but in order for Argonath to remain relevant and viable I'd personally like to see a push to FiveM.

GTASA/SA:MP being old is not the reason Argonath's SA:MP server is dead. Try again.

According to SACNR Monitor there over 42,000 people playing on SA:MP servers at this moment. Only two of those 42,000 are on Argonath's server.



And for anyone interested who those two people are:



Citation: http://monitor.sacnr.com/server-1805118.html

[Julio.]

I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

[Younes]

I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

[Reckless]

currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

This is what began the downfall.

Focusing on new players ostracised regular and veteran players.

RS5 reset everyone's money to give new players a fair shot.

Having fun is not pressing a button 1000 times to see your worthless virtual money grow.

That "worthless virtual money" was worthful to me and a majority of other regular and veteran player on the server.

When people lose faith in the leadership they opt for other communities. Why should anyone stay loyal to a community that labels their core values as worthless?

[AK47]

sup with forumbanning khm?

[Manoni]

sup with forumbanning khm?

He decided to handle things in the most immature way possible and started spreading false stories, he couldn't expect any different outcome.

[TedHamilton]

I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.

[Miki.]

sup with forumbanning khm?

He decided to handle things in the most immature way possible and started spreading false stories, he couldn't expect any different outcome.

Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums 
he is immature, right...