Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.

[AK47]

sup with forumbanning khm?

He decided to handle things in the most immature way possible and started spreading false stories, he couldn't expect any different outcome.

Have you read the convo between them? The only "immature" thing he did was saying retard

[Julio.]

I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.

Who was this?

I've always maintained this is never acceptable, it seems to have become the norm since the days of Teddy though...

[TedHamilton]

I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.

Who was this?

I've always maintained this is never acceptable, it seems to have become the norm since the days of Teddy though...

Marcel

[Manoni]

Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums 
he is immature, right...

Truth or handling a few ss to make him look like the victim, right. And I never said he did through forums, the ban was a move from leadership in order to prevent him from doing it.

Have you read the convo between them? The only "immature" thing he did was saying retard

I'm not talking about the conversation itself, but his actions.

[Miki.]

Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums 
he is immature, right...

Truth or handling a few ss to make him look like the victim, right. And I never said he did through forums, the ban was a move from leadership in order to prevent him from doing it.

A few SS?  alright I guess keep this stand look where it got the community.

[Reckless]

sup with forumbanning khm?

As I have watched silently over the last decade, Khm will have to learn the hard way just as everyone, including me, formerly in a leadership position learned:

It's just your turn.

Over the years I've seen the same pattern repeat.

A person rises through the ranks all the way to the top, eliminates the competition, and then, gets banned as well. Rinse and repeat.

To anyone currently in a leadership position:

It's just your turn.

It's almost as if there is a 'red pill' a person takes once they reach the top and unplug from the Matrix, that's when the higher-ups step in and make them disappear.

[Miki.]

Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums 
he is immature, right...

Truth or handling a few ss to make him look like the victim, right. And I never said he did through forums, the ban was a move from leadership in order to prevent him from doing it.

not to mention evidence he brought cannot be faked or twisted and the ban is a simple prove leadership is intimidated and has stuff to hide but I'm sure the next staff reform will be entirely neutral 

[Carbon]

Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums 
he is immature, right...

Truth or handling a few ss to make him look like the victim, right. And I never said he did through forums, the ban was a move from leadership in order to prevent him from doing it.

not to mention evidence he brought cannot be faked or twisted and the ban is a simple prove leadership is intimidated and has stuff to hide but I'm sure the next staff reform will be entirely neutral 

Are you coming to say i have something to hide? No i dont, we just need to avoid bullshit and people who think they are above someone while acting disrespectful. We have to look in the mirror and start from yourself if you want to fix something. Yes, there is a blame on everyone (players, staff, HQ and including myself) and i never told im innocent and atleast i admit it (As i see all the other guys who are arguing here are role models). I figured out how to make the division way better and i started to reform the staff team. I hope everyone understand its a game and gaming is for fun. We have to be friendly with eachother and stop spreading shit. About past year ive seen the friendship in the community doenst cost anything and there is no trust inside the staff team and also between the players. We are the  community and we have to play here as friends, not as enemies - like where the hell comes the hate between the groups? x_mafia1 logs in and x_mafia2 runs to just DM with the other player without any proper roleplaying. So thats the point where we reached now. People are playing for "fun DM" and money. Ill let you know about the latest updates as soon we reach them.

If anyone have something against me or misunderstood something wrong then just let me know. Lets stop talking about someones back.

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.

[stormeus]

Argonath in SA:MP originates from around 2007, San Andreas was released in 2004. It was only 3 years old! Now we're looking at an 11 year old game which is miles behind modern equivalents.

Vice City and VC:MP are even older though, and the VC:MP server is currently more active than SA:MP's even when SA:MP has a larger playerbase overall, so this doesn't seem to explain much.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

I am very devastated to see what Argonath SAMP, is coming to. I have been gone for a while, and I surely don't understand 95% of the current situation, but my conclusion from reading this thread and it's replies, is that we, the players, and the staff, need to cooperate, motivate not just new players, but ourselves also, stop hating, stop complaining, constantly suggest new ideas, debate, give them a try, and most importantly, never to give up. This server, can not, and should not die, this fast. Such a sudden death, for a server with a rich and shiny history, it's just unacceptable.

Let's do it, together, for the veterans and new players, for the staff, for everyone. Let's postpone the funeral, Argonath must shine more.

[Legolas]

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.

Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script 

[Richard.]

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.

Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player?

I'm sure stripping old players off their vehicles and properties will fix the current issue, please add that!

[Legolas]

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.

Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player?

I'm sure stripping old players off their vehicles and properties will fix the current issue, please add that!

If you focus more on RP instead of gathering stuff that you dont need it anyway is pointles. Rat race... you know what that means?

[Richard.]

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.

Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player?

I'm sure stripping old players off their vehicles and properties will fix the current issue, please add that!

If you focus more on RP instead of gathering stuff that you dont need it anyway is pointles. Rat race... you know what that means?

Agreed, I dont think these scripts are necessary at all, we'd live happy with a /me command only. Rat Race? Sorry, what do you mean?

[TedHamilton]

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.

Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script

I don't think that real life mafia rolls on one 1987 Mercedes with its head driving, three members inside and all the rest on top. I also don't think that they would all live in one studio or even one mansion. You may be right concerning businesses though.