Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.

[stormeus]

If you focus more on RP instead of gathering stuff that you dont need it anyway is pointles. Rat race... you know what that means?

But by this logic, removing virtually all the scripts would be a viable option for encouraging roleplay, which isn't true. The plain fact is that most players won't play without a structured gamemode and some goal to work toward, even if that goal is just to acquire more wealth to show off.

[beLTa]

sup with forumbanning khm?

He decided to handle things in the most immature way possible and started spreading false stories, he couldn't expect any different outcome.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Here another comes saving his ass behind others

[Legolas]

If you focus more on RP instead of gathering stuff that you dont need it anyway is pointles. Rat race... you know what that means?

But by this logic, removing virtually all the scripts would be a viable option for encouraging roleplay, which isn't true. CThe plain fact is that most players won't play without a structured gamemode and some goal to work toward, even if that goal is just to acquire more wealth to show off.

Its up to you... HQ and administration voting. Carbon ask for idea, so here it is. As far i remember, that model worked in past. Now is just a theory that will not.
 
I am wondering, since i see  here VC:MP representative... how much scripts VC:MP have, if you compare it to SA:MP?

Edit:
VC older game than SA. What keep players still  active ?

[William Carter]

VC older game than SA. What keep players still  active ?

the most active server in VCMP in general is just one dm server and one argonath's rp server that have around 30 players other servers are low to 5 6 players max

[stormeus]

I am wondering, since i see  here VC:MP representative... how much scripts VC:MP have, if you compare it to SA:MP?

Just over 32,000 lines' worth, but we have the luxury of being able to use a scripting language that isn't Pawn so there's probably a lot less overhead. Looking at the wiki I'd say there's a bit less complexity than RS4, but if we could have a firefighting script and ATMs they'd probably be about on par I think.

VC older game than SA. What keep players still  active ?

If I had to hazard a guess for Argonath's VC:MP server, we have a small but loyal community that's easier to manage, but if I recall correctly we also had a few SA:MP players join around the launch of RS5 checking out the server, which probably gave us a small boost. I mostly work on developing the VC:MP client itself rather than scripting the server so Kessu or Klaus would probably be able to offer more insight.

[Thom]

Don't even bother pointing fingers, if you wanted the server up again, it would already be.

It's simple as I said: Do something about the problem or do not stick your nose to complain,post crap and blame.

edit:
It's okay for the server to not be in its prime as long as we can find some common free time to return to play again. SA:MP is decaying afterall. Instead of the server consuming your thoughts and spreading out fighting, it should be a place where we can spend some time we can having fun. Most old players don't have the unlimited free time of teenage years, new people ain't joining sa:mp, period.

[Matt Murdock]

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.

Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script

I don't think that real life mafia rolls on one 1987 Mercedes with its head driving, three members inside and all the rest on top. I also don't think that they would all live in one studio or even one mansion. You may be right concerning businesses though.

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.

Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script 

Why not just freeze all assets and remove weapons for a month as a test. 

Everything then must go through roleplay, only the strong ones survive. Weaker ones align themselves with proper roleplayers and get to learn.

[Manoni]

Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script

We have spoken alot but to be honest, I do not really think this is a good idea, nor a solution.

1.- What we could do is to set a certain limit to the properties/businesses an actual player can own and add a sort of ownership system for groups, limiting that aswell of course, but only for properties, I do not see a reason why we should limit vehicles but we do need a certain tax system or maybe an insurance system.

2.- The payday it is a good option but do not base it all on a certain hour but in the time you have spent actively playing/working in game, there is no point in just having idle people waiting for paychecks, make them interact, make them use the scripted jobs.

3.- No. Even tho I see alot of people having drug farming as priority this is the foundation of most the criminal groups in order to obtain an income and even profits (excluding their legal businesses).
The idea of a removal of the drugs script would give us the same issue we are having right now. The drug nerf was done to balance the economy in general but it only caused an unbalance in the criminal economy, which pretty much ends up in the same problem. Was it good the way it was? Of course not. Reverting it is actually a solution? Not really, but it is the best alternative to start again. By calculating the prices according to the amount of players and the drugs they produce, we could set a certain range of price in order to make it profitable but without being too op.

[Andeey]

Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.

Spoiler for Hiden:

The server issue is not scripts, It isn't bad ruling(Rules could do with some clarification/renewing though), To some extent it is Lack of roleplay..

The fucking issue in this server at this current time is the amount of spoilt little fuckwits running around the server, Main ones being certain leaders of Criminal groups running their mouths to all new faces in the community spreading lies and turning people against other people.

Alot of the posts in all of these shitposting topics is done by two people individually Khm and KyleSforza, They will act like almighty gods with no flaws but the blatant disrespect they had shown when in the staff team was appalling, Once they would receive a disciplinary action against them they would run their mouths to their group and then it would spread from there, Now this may not seem serious at all to those who haven't been around but.. Players who get told lies by trusted people in this community believe everything to the full extent of the lie.

Another form of this hatred certain people spread around the community, Main one being "andeey is with Gvardia he hates every other group"
A certain report came in about Deathmatch on the SA:MP server, An admin handled the situation, A player starts a rumour that i told them and ordered them to leave Gvardia alone when i wasn't even ingame. I then get insulted and flamed by a fucking 12 year old kid and his group for siding with their "enemies"

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

People need to stop typing and defending themselves on these topics but rather do something about the issues, If you have an issue with the ruling of the server for example, You could write a word document with all the current rules and add changes, Add explanations to the rulings and send it in to a HQ member, Get it reviewed and actually make a change.

If you think the scripts are bad and need improving how about you write up a descriptive suggestion to the development team on the forums rather than bitch about scripts being broken or scripts not being added.

If you can't play with others because of personal issues how about you grab a mirror, Look deeply into it and realise what a fucking loser you are. Or Look into that mirror and realise that you're playing a game and that grudges that prevent you from even looking at someones name without grinding your teeth is absolutely pathetic and that you should grow up. 

Another note: If HQ treated this SA:MP community like regular humans instead of chidlren there would be a 3 page unban section, So you're lucky they go easy on most of you and give you a fair chance.

These are my honest opinions from being a manager, Nothing personally against anyone mentioned, It's just a game afterall. Add me on discord if you want to chat about anything. #stoptheshitpostingandgetingameandmakeadifference

[Marcel]

I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.

Cry me a river.

I did exactly what I said I was going to do. Now you come back and start more shit over your perceived injustice? Proves only how valid your ban is.

[Ellz121]

Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.

Spoiler for Hiden:

The server issue is not scripts, It isn't bad ruling(Rules could do with some clarification/renewing though), To some extent it is Lack of roleplay..

The fucking issue in this server at this current time is the amount of spoilt little fuckwits running around the server, Main ones being certain leaders of Criminal groups running their mouths to all new faces in the community spreading lies and turning people against other people.

Alot of the posts in all of these shitposting topics is done by two people individually Khm and KyleSforza, They will act like almighty gods with no flaws but the blatant disrespect they had shown when in the staff team was appalling, Once they would receive a disciplinary action against them they would run their mouths to their group and then it would spread from there, Now this may not seem serious at all to those who haven't been around but.. Players who get told lies by trusted people in this community believe everything to the full extent of the lie.

Another form of this hatred certain people spread around the community, Main one being "andeey is with Gvardia he hates every other group"
A certain report came in about Deathmatch on the SA:MP server, An admin handled the situation, A player starts a rumour that i told them and ordered them to leave Gvardia alone when i wasn't even ingame. I then get insulted and flamed by a fucking 12 year old kid and his group for siding with their "enemies"

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

People need to stop typing and defending themselves on these topics but rather do something about the issues, If you have an issue with the ruling of the server for example, You could write a word document with all the current rules and add changes, Add explanations to the rulings and send it in to a HQ member, Get it reviewed and actually make a change.

If you think the scripts are bad and need improving how about you write up a descriptive suggestion to the development team on the forums rather than bitch about scripts being broken or scripts not being added.

If you can't play with others because of personal issues how about you grab a mirror, Look deeply into it and realise what a fucking loser you are. Or Look into that mirror and realise that you're playing a game and that grudges that prevent you from even looking at someones name without grinding your teeth is absolutely pathetic and that you should grow up. 

Another note: If HQ treated this SA:MP community like regular humans instead of chidlren there would be a 3 page unban section, So you're lucky they go easy on most of you and give you a fair chance.

These are my honest opinions from being a manager, Nothing personally against anyone mentioned, It's just a game afterall. Add me on discord if you want to chat about anything. #stoptheshitpostingandgetingameandmakeadifference

When someone speaks the cold hard truth, best be readin. ^

[Kessu]

VC older game than SA. What keep players still  active ?

Players know what the server is supposed to be and they can also trust the development team to not commit script changes that have not been tested and/or discussed properly with the management.

Also me and Klaus are responsible for any idea that gets accepted/denied with input taken from all scripters and several admins who are involved with the development of the server, so people can play with ease of mind knowing we work for their best interest instead of our own.

After all, there is no server without players.


Essentially people (both players and management) want a stable playing ground. When that is established properly then things should roll forward almost on it's own.

Me and Klaus have had over a decade to establish this foundation for the server and atleast the people who play VC:MP regularly appreciate this fact.
They also appreciate the fact that administration's main job is to prevent the server's atmosphere from being fucked with, so if someone's intention is to clearly provoke/upset another, he/she will be removed immediately and he can explain his shit over a lengthy unban request process.

All of those facts give to the enjoyment of the regulars, which in return makes regulars also want more new players to join so they help them even if admins are not around, instead of trying to rob them and killing them to "show off" or whatever.


For the SA:MP issue that I have not taken part in discussing at all;

The fault is not only in the management, administration, development team or what have you, but it is also not solely in the players.

It takes two for tango, everyone's to be blamed for the server's current status. This problem is also not going to go away without major changes in how things work in and outside of the server. I've removed god awful amount of toxic people from these forums over the past 2 years where I've applied far stricter forum moderation after group board mods kept constantly asking if higher ups could intervene to get the toxicity out of the forums. ALL of these players played mainly SA:MP and refused to follow any sort of warnings based on me not being a SA:MP admin 

That's the core problem that the server has. How can it be enjoyable for new players, admin, or even some regulars if there's constant toxicity and outright hatred towards other people's ethnicity. This is where players are at fault.

Question is; why was this not handled by server's administration since I personally know for a fact it was not any different ingame? This is where administration came up short, with the fear of consequences from said toxic players. This should never be the case... NEVER.


I won't say anything about how the scripts work or anything since I don't play there and I don't know the scripts.

What I will however say, is that if one of my scripters called pakistan the greatest shithole to have ever existed, you're damn fucking right I would ban him/her from the forums and kick him/her straight out of the job he/she volunteered for. (Yes Marcel, this is for you, I'll be watching).

Administration, developers, leaders. We're all expected certain level of professionalism and if you break that professionalism you give the players the example what you want them to follow. Why should players act within the rules if the server's administrators and above do not? Rules apply to everyone. EVERYONE.


That's all I have for now.

[Bogomil]

Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.

you are my idol man, after gordon ramsay of course.

And Younes stop blaming the environment, if you're bored from the server don't try to fix it with topics and forum complaints, that annoys the people who actually put effort in fixing it. We understood server is empty, we acknowledge that many people went to Mudoo and many left forever. HQ did some mistakes, so did Gandalf, so did I, so did you. However the real power is when you realize your mistakes and try to fix them. You are SAPD chief, many people never reached that high. You are supposed to be one of the captains of Argonath, don't let the ship sink.

[Bogomil]

And I don't want to be understood wrong. It's not only Younes. Most of the staff team doesn't care at all. Few people log in nowadays. Who is supposed to keep it alive if it's not you? If you want to help - stop talking and start doing.

[Ellz121]

Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.

you are my idol man, after gordon ramsay of course.

Gordon Goat.