Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.

[Miki.]

Yo guys calm down

Love you all <3 hehe

<3

[Bogomil]

>writes a 300 pages long post how the entire universe is against him
>accuses others for going low

Spoiler for Hiden:

get a life

[Miki.]

>writes a 300 pages long post how the entire universe is against him
>accuses others for going low

Spoiler for Hiden:

get a life

I didn't say any one is against me, I brought facts out
You are in fact going low, I'm surprised you didn't start provocations yet it's just a matter of time.

The fact you got friends and high ranks due to kissing ass doesn't make you a big shot.
You're claiming your accusations on Khm are all valid yet all the accusations I threw on this 300 page long post were covered with facts I can dig up, what else can I dig out? all your provocations and hate towards Khm the person you mentioned you hate the most on argonath.

[Bogomil]

Believe it or not, I realized talking to sforzas is waste of time. They understand nothing, don't want to listen to you and throw random shit at people they don't like

[Kessu]

That's the core problem that the server has. How can it be enjoyable for new players, admin, or even some regulars if there's constant toxicity and outright hatred towards other people's ethnicity. This is where players are at fault.

Point proven.

[Miki.]

Believe it or not, I realized talking to sforzas is waste of time. They understand nothing, don't want to listen to you and throw random shit at people they don't like

I rest my case.

[TedHamilton]

I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.

Cry me a river.

I did exactly what I said I was going to do. Now you come back and start more shit over your perceived injustice? Proves only how valid your ban is.

It is injustice, and the ban is invalid. Even admins and moderators have messaged me denouncing what you did and how you were able to panelban people who had a different opinion than yours on forums. You're one of the reasons Argonath has 0 players now, because even before I was banned, people in-game were scared the shit out of you with some of them standing idle while others left temporarily while you being in-game because they were afraid that they would get kicked or banned for a 'speeding ticket'. You sowed terror in the community with your powerhungry attitude and abuse of powers as a scripter. The fact that you cannot see what you did wrong is already shameful and you're still insisting that you did what you had to do. Maybe you are the one to check his attitude, not me or Bennzy.

[Sweeper]

 Sforza is the problem, Argonath should get rid of the men in charge of this group.

[William Carter]

Sforza is the problem, Argonath should get rid of the men in charge of this group.

No one should get rid of anything. What needs to be changed is have a meeting in game solve the problem together from the start add new rules , no more hate and the problem will be solved just like what kessu said.

[Sweeper]

Sforza is the problem, Argonath should get rid of the men in charge of this group.

No one should get rid of anything. What needs to be changed is have a meeting in game solve the problem together from the start add new rules , no more hate and the problem will be solved just like what kessu said.

A virtual meeting to solve a deep seated problem between teenagers who have nothing valuable to lose. Keep dreaming son.

[jovanca]

cba to read all the bs u guys wrote but i see miki and staff arguing about ikhm. i don't see how ikhm is to be blamed for anything. it's the HQ who shouldn't have promoted an incapable player to a high position. considering he was once moderator and got community (or just server/forum banned) and was banned from joining staff team again, but you decided to ignore that, you had all this coming HQ!

[Legolas]

Emotion lvl passed to far. I'm afraid that we will not solve this problem in way we see.  Eather both sides agree for compromise or   you can forget on fun play between all of you.

[Jeremy.]

Lol why don't you all quit being so dramatic and stop crying like some children from kindergarten?

And the jokes of all when Jeremy got banned, the guy got banned for leading a dm scene as he TOLD and led 15 players to shoot everyone on sight while admins where on an active duty right in the middle and shot the admins buuuuut Andeey of course would come crying again insulting and he is like always trying to excuse Jeremy's actions and accusing khm of making "veterans" leave and then on the unban request, he says that khm should have banned everyone http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=122226.msg1914543#msg1914543, if that actually happened khm would have been banned from the server aswell

You're just mad that one of your bosses got what he deserved, a bit late but thats fine I guess. How is this topic related to me? You're mumbling about irrelevant stuff which have nothing to do with the point of this topic. Stop pointing fingers, take a deep breath. We all know how you've been trying to infiltrate into the staff team just to hunt your enemies asses down. Seems like you got caught, just give up already. People get what they deserve sooner or later anyway. There's something called karma. Now if you don't have anything constructive to say regarding the main issue of this topic, take a run to your corner and continue crying there.

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

Which "developers" are you talking about? The ones which spend more time in-game as beeing freecops and spamming the public chat telling people about eating their own poop or some other disgusting shit? As far as I remember there was some kind of "possible release" of RS5.3 update somewhere in April. We're in July and all we have is broken stuff. We don't have scripts to encourage people RP as medics, firefighters, taxi drivers, we don't have a proper vehicle script, we can't store anything in houses/vehicles.


My suggestion for @Grimbeorn is:
- RULES: have a deep look into each part/section/word of the current rules and slowly make changes which you and your players want, consult with them, create topics, make pools, hear people's opinions. You don't have to hurry with that, find common things which you and your own players want, no need for 'drastical' changes out of nowhere. Also make the rules public in order to avoid people fighting with eachother and especially with admins or even HQ. If they will be hidden there will be constant fights regarding rules. You clearly need to know all the rules in order to play in a pleasant and quiet way. We're really sick of hearing new rules when an admin is confronting us about 'breaking' them, without even being aware.
- STAFF team: recruit new people and train them properly while/after modifying the rules. Make them go through a trial system for a few weeks and make sure to assign one or more persons from HQ to have a deep look on their doings. Someone which could also help them out while they're in trouble of making decisions (MrTrane for example). You may recruit more staff members once the playerbase is increasing. Pay attention on whoever you decide to accept since they will take care of the server's peace daily and it will depend on them the way people will feel whilst playing. That's why rules are imporant to be made publicly and some sort of stricter, like "In a situation which X player is refusing to roleplay with Y player you should be doing this: 1) 2) 3) 4)" etc. This could be some kind of guideline to admins and instead of letting them handle themselves the issue by their emotions or feelings, it would be way better.
- SCRIPTS: If you read all those posts from this topic you could see that lack of scripts are being a major problem right now. Make a new topic where people could post their suggestions and discuss them. Listening to their voice is very very important. Even if one of their suggestion doesn't fit with expectations of HQ, give it a shot. Try their ideas for a short time, a week, maybe two. If it doesn't go well you just pull it back. You have nothing to lose right now. Your goal is to make them happy and offer them stuff which they could spend their time with it. Implement new jobs which could give opportunities for them to roleplay in different ways, without getting bored. Select developers which could work their asses off, especially in this crucial time to finish whatever they have to. Make sure they finish their tasks on a certain time which you both set it up. You can't just use "I had IRL issues" every single time people hit you right into your face, while we all see you playing SA:MP, GTA V or other games. You always need to try new stuff, attractive, which will make people stay, keep them motivated. Give them a reason to play, give them reasons to interact with eachother rather than talking about shit on the mainchat.
And also don't just sit there and wait for people to suggest things. Most of them are avoiding to make suggestions because they're sick of being refused. We all know how many years we needed to make all blips white and so on. If you want to see people coming up with suggestions, you should start with yourself. You, the HQ, come out with suggestions and post threads where you talk about something new. Some new job or some new vehicle script which you thought about, you will see people adding more stuff to your ideas and you will encourage them to post their own ideas. You also need to have a talk with the old man and his 20 years old vision. The moment when you reach 0 players you got nothing to lose, thats why you need to come with new stuff.

I could write more and I will do it if I see things changing. We all grew up playing Argonath, seeing it sinking like that is not cool.

[Miki.]

cba to read all the bs u guys wrote but i see miki and staff arguing about ikhm. i don't see how ikhm is to be blamed for anything. it's the HQ who shouldn't have promoted an incapable player to a high position. considering he was once moderator and got community (or just server/forum banned) and was banned from joining staff team again, but you decided to ignore that, you had all this coming HQ!

Overall that's a valid point - his previous ban was removed with in a day and teddy apologized to him but regardless of that instead of demoting with out an actual reason don't let people you think are incapable climb there in the first place and then blame then for your own problems.

@Jeremy.  If you don't understand how it's related to what I wrote I won't bother explaining alright you managed to kill Kyle great for you really, be proud I ain't crying about it people die in the virtual game and respawn roleplay scenes are contained from scene winners and losers everytime I've been on both sides congratulations the point there isn't the fact you led people to slay with out a reason.

my point was that favoritism exists and as long as it exists there won't be fair play and won't be fun, if it was not there I'd be the first one IG now to push players to log in and roleplay the moment you tell me it will stop I'll log in and roleplay right away. till then I'll stay out.

[Thom]

I guess it's impossible for people to read the main topic, before reading last reply and getting triggered. I stated that this topic is no place for blaming and shit-posting and it has become another cancerous topic. I please ask an administrator, If another post in this topic is ironic or negative and not an idea/suggestions/kind opinion on suggestion to close this topic down. I don't know if I can ask something like that but I created the topic.

You are people start acting like it.