IV:MP Rise and fall

[Mark]

Well, if you want to roleplay nowdays the server is just too empty. A roleplay is really fun if many participate, not a 1v1 cop vs criminal roleplay, which usually most of the time indeed ends up in fighting like you elaborated above.

I would love to roleplay but with the current playerbase it is just too boring, we need more players.

That cop is me. I enjoy doing cringy stuff nowdays.

 

*confused you with Serifis, lmao. sorry* (edited)

I'm always down to have roleplay but if people can't accept the fact that they can't win all the time or that there is more than just cop vs criminal situations, nothing will change, until that day, ripperoni.

[Serifis]

Excuses for nothing...

[Surena]

I'm always down to have roleplay but if people can't accept the fact that they can't win all the time or that there is more than just cop vs criminal situations, nothing will change, until that day, ripperoni.

Mind to knock the shit off about people not willing to accept themselves losing in a roleplay? I am questioning about where the player have gone.
Yes, sometimes players don't like to roleplay but that's not 24/7 or forever, in fact, I have been willing to participate in a big roleplay for a long time but the server is just not up to the task with the current player base.

If the issue really is the roleplaying part on the server then can you please tell me a solution for this issue that does not mention anything about cop vs criminal situations?
It seems for you only cops and criminals matter and the rest of the server may as well just be gone for good.

Don't get me wrong, this is not personally firing at you, but you don't seem to participate in the goal of this topic but only keep adding fuel.

This topic is meant to establish a view on who what where why how and then talk together towards a solution. This topic is NOT made to keep blaming eachother like crybabies. We got enough reasons for the server to be dead, now let's roll the solutions and create an open debate for a possible solution that shall bring win/win scenarios for all. The more input we can get, the better the outcome may be.

[Mark]

Mind to knock the shit off about people not willing to accept themselves losing in a roleplay? I am questioning about where the player have gone.
Yes, sometimes players don't like to roleplay but that's not 24/7 or forever, in fact, I have been willing to participate in a big roleplay for a long time but the server is just not up to the task with the current player base.

If the issue really is the roleplaying part on the server then can you please tell me a solution for this issue that does not mention anything about cop vs criminal situations?

Don't get me wrong, this is not personally firing at you, but you don't seem to participate in the goal of this topic but only keep adding fuel.

This topic is meant to establish a view on who what where why how and then talk together towards a solution. This topic is NOT made to keep blaming eachother like crybabies. We got enough reasons for the server to be dead, now let's roll the solutions and create an open debate for a possible solution that shall bring win/win scenarios for all. The more input we can get, the better the outcome may be.

I only gave you my thoughts on why the server is really dead. There are people who would not roleplay at all when you approach them, it doesn't matter if it's a cop vs criminal situation. With The Lost MC we used to get tagged by some family who then would stop roleplaying with us as soon we'd start to interact back. Some other groups actually roleplayed but they're gone now, so yeah, all there is left is people who want to grind money IMHO.

A solution would be an economy reset,  .
I'd focus on sponsoring roleplay events so that people can win cash while trying to learn something new. Treasure events, why not? Honig used to do those, they were fun. You had a few clues and you'd have to dig out more info by reaching some points on the map which were REAL people actually interacting with the treasure hunter. I don't know if someone ever took videos of that but there are alot screenshots of that type of roleplay event in the IVMP Screenshots topic.

People need to stop complaining whenever you approach them and try to do something they don't like. Whining for silly reasons ruins scenarios, if Player A approaches Player B and tries to steal Player B wallet, Player A will probably pull a m4/shotgun out of his ass just because he is a criminal. There is no "civilian" roleplay, it never really existed except for a few cases, so there aren't examples of that i can give to you. Most of the situations are criminals vs criminals, cops vs criminals and that's it.

Everyone is tired of that but if you try to do more chilly stuff you're not considered at all, Taxi drivers used to be a thing in the past, Janek the Priest used to pop in the server from time to time and do silly roleplay, that was fun.
Honig used to attract alot of people at his hotdog stand, they all would chill until eventually some random newcomer would carkill all of us but that's another story.

[Surena]

I'm always down to have roleplay.

There is no "civilian" roleplay, it never really existed, so there aren't examples of that i can give to you. Most of the situations are criminals vs criminals, cops vs criminals and that's it.

Feel free to join right now, there is a construction roleplay on-going at MGS. This is also a sentence that proves you wrong. 

[Mark]

I'm always down to have roleplay.

There is no "civilian" roleplay, it never really existed, so there aren't examples of that i can give to you. Most of the situations are criminals vs criminals, cops vs criminals and that's it.

Feel free to join right now, there is a construction roleplay on-going at MGS. This is also a sentence that proves you wrong. 

Surena, you are doing a roleplay that i used to do 5-6 years ago with Loon, Honigsenf and DeeJay. I've done ton of stuff like that, it ends up pretty quick. I'm not your enemy here, i'm giving you the reasons why I THINK (shall i bold it? It's just my opinion, it doesn't have to be others opinion) the server is dead. I usually have dinner at this time but i'll pop in later if you wish it so much.

I've done ton of stuff in IV:MP before i called myself out, and there are precise reasons why i have done that. You can't help it. If you don't want to accept the fact that majority of the playerbase didn't give a crap about that kind of roleplay now (and also back when i used to do it with my friends) i do not see how else i can convince you.

Ask to those who played in 2013/2014/2015 how it was to roleplay with people like Honigsenf, Kerbe, hAWK, Batta, John_Doe. I could name you ten more that were exceptional
Edit: APT group was the top we ever reached on non criminal roleplay IMHO. Nobody has done better after them.

You guys are doing a great thing in making topics like this but half of the players already left a long time ago.

[Surena]

It was just an example which was surprisingly going on right now, with Bert aka Loon involved, showing there was a civilian roleplay on-going, not only criminal/cops roleplay.
Also the wedding roleplay was a different kind than cops/criminal roleplay, it was sweet and fun not to mention also relatively special.

I know half of the veterans are gone or banned, but look ahead, look at the other half plus the regulars and newcomers. We are still here so if we want it then we can strive to it.
We should not be dependent on the lost veterans but we should put input ourselves to see results.

[Serifis]

Mark you can`t give examples of good activity when we had or we gonna have events...its light roleplay not light event play.
It may brings people but is not the point of the game that we are playing.
As for the avoid to be robbed or killed or something that will make you "lose" again its about the theme of the server...light roleplay.
Always tho you can find ways to not lose or win and still gonna be happy with the result.

I've done ton of stuff in IV:MP before i called myself out,

Emm why we are talking with you then?

Com on stay with your memories and let us dream our future.

[Mark]

Mark you can`t give examples of good activity when we had or we gonna have events...its light roleplay not light event play.
It may brings people but is not the point of the game that we are playing.
As for the avoid to be robbed or killed or something that will make you "lose" again its about the theme of the server...light roleplay.
Always tho you can find ways to not lose or win and still gonna be happy with the result.

I've done ton of stuff in IV:MP before i called myself out,

Emm why we are talking with you then?

Com on stay with your memories and let us dream our future.

Because i'm here from 2013 and i know more than you about having respect.
You've not been kind in the past to anyone who has roleplayed with you so why don't you start reading more? This is not about light roleplay. This is about the community.

[Ramis]

Well, there are many reasons, partly the mismanagement, partly the friendliness or lackthereof of the community itself towards newbies, third might be the fact it uses an unique client, as well as lack of reach of ads , as mentioned before, but in general, one should not expect that people will keep coming to a game, which is 11 years old already. People interested in GTA IV is getting lower by the day, it's becoming an ancient game. The people who were playing back in the day, grew up and are no longer interested in spending 14 hours a day playing videogames, especially when we have to study, or work to pay the bills, creating families, playing silly games is least of the concern. While the new generation of gamers, you shouldnt expect them to play ancient old games, while the choice of new ones is as big as it used to be. Many of us were not interested in 1995 games when we were discovering GTA 4 , did we.  What comes up must go down. You cannot expect it to last a hundred years. It lasted long enough as it did already.

[JackDockz]

Technically Ramis is right. GTA4 is small and has less features than Gta 5. There's no doubt in that.

People with better pcs hence will prefer Gta 5 over Gta 4. I think that's why it sold like some million copies.

And people with lower pcs play Samp or vcmp since it gives better fps and a wider community with many types of servers.

I'm not supposed to give my own opinion BUT ivmp was great till t3. T4 did make is better but at the cost of its activity. Which slowly affected it beyond repair

[Surena]

If the reason for lack of players is GTA IV being ancient then how come SAMP has much more players active even till this day?

[Serifis]

Because i'm here from 2013 and i know more than you about having respect.
You've not been kind in the past to anyone who has roleplayed with you so why don't you start reading more? This is not about light roleplay. This is about the community.

You are out-date player. You are saying with proud that "Im old player from 2013" and few minutes ago you said "I like to trolling these days" and after that you blame a newbie (me) for not accepting your stupid actions while coming to my scenes and forcing your silly thoughts which had nothing to do with the current scene. Do we need to continue this fight and make you seem more fail that you are already?
As well community its "in game", not only the forum that you may think.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Well, there are many reasons, partly the mismanagement, partly the friendliness or lackthereof of the community itself towards newbies, third might be the fact it uses an unique client, as well as lack of reach of ads , as mentioned before, but in general, one should not expect that people will keep coming to a game, which is 11 years old already. People interested in GTA IV is getting lower by the day, it's becoming an ancient game. The people who were playing back in the day, grew up and are no longer interested in spending 14 hours a day playing videogames, especially when we have to study, or work to pay the bills, creating families, playing silly games is least of the concern. While the new generation of gamers, you shouldnt expect them to play ancient old games, while the choice of new ones is as big as it used to be. Many of us were not interested in 1995 games when we were discovering GTA 4 , did we.  What comes up must go down. You cannot expect it to last a hundred years. It lasted long enough as it did already.

Ramis has a major right...what ever we may want to do or even do at the end each day that pass the game goes older and people will stay away from it.

[Mark]

It was just an example which was surprisingly going on right now, with Bert aka Loon involved, showing there was a civilian roleplay on-going, not only criminal/cops roleplay.
Also the wedding roleplay was a different kind than cops/criminal roleplay, it was sweet and fun not to mention also relatively special.

I know half of the veterans are gone or banned, but look ahead, look at the other half plus the regulars and newcomers. We are still here so if we want it then we can strive to it.
We should not be dependent on the lost veterans but we should put input ourselves to see results.

The gone veterans tried to teach how to deal with roleplay situations to the newcomers for years. Some learnt, some ignored and kept going on their way. Nowdays you got more people that ignored those tips than the ones who actually learned something. That's why, personally, i think it's a dead end, they can't attract old players back and new ones won't stick long as we did.
What Ramis said is also true, it's a fact that has been proven, the "no exams" period is just a period that also SAMP tried to use an excuse to why playerbase dropped. That's it for me, i've already put alot of effort in the past to even care anymore about playerbase issues, i'll come in a bit and have fun with you

Because i'm here from 2013 and i know more than you about having respect.
You've not been kind in the past to anyone who has roleplayed with you so why don't you start reading more? This is not about light roleplay. This is about the community.

You are out-date player. You are saying with proud that "Im old player from 2013" and few minutes ago you said "I like to trolling these days" and after that you blame a newbie (me) for not accepting your stupid actions while coming to my scenes and forcing your silly thoughts which had nothing to do with the current scene. Do we need to continue this fight and make you seem more fail that you are already?
As well community its "in game", not only the forum that you may think.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Well, there are many reasons, partly the mismanagement, partly the friendliness or lackthereof of the community itself towards newbies, third might be the fact it uses an unique client, as well as lack of reach of ads , as mentioned before, but in general, one should not expect that people will keep coming to a game, which is 11 years old already. People interested in GTA IV is getting lower by the day, it's becoming an ancient game. The people who were playing back in the day, grew up and are no longer interested in spending 14 hours a day playing videogames, especially when we have to study, or work to pay the bills, creating families, playing silly games is least of the concern. While the new generation of gamers, you shouldnt expect them to play ancient old games, while the choice of new ones is as big as it used to be. Many of us were not interested in 1995 games when we were discovering GTA 4 , did we.  What comes up must go down. You cannot expect it to last a hundred years. It lasted long enough as it did already.

Ramis has a major right...what ever we may want to do or even do at the end each day that pass the game goes older and people will stay away from it.

I said i'm playing from 2013 and i have learned what respect is. You're not a newbie nor a proper troller. Go shitpost on 4chan 

I have all the rights to express my opinion but if you try to insult my intelligence you're going so bad in the wrong way, boy. This is what i was talking about, you are salty for a stupid /poledance i did to your party. It's 2019, you're playing a character in the game and get offended like if i have insulted your whole family IRL. Damn bro, that must've hit bad to be so pissed for a silly reason.

[superh2o]

If the reason for lack of players is GTA IV being ancient then how come SAMP has much more players active even till this day?

If you are not aware SAMP overall activity is falling down, Argo samp is alive thanks to the dedicated veterans who play only samp.
They are in the same boat as IVMP, with a better reach to players who wanna try samp servers, then the T4 who isnt that famous and well known.