IV:MP Rise and fall

[Surena]

I have got some input about the following scenarios that some players would like to see in the server to encourage roleplay:

- Road Administration Service/Agency
Providing responsibility for building and maintenance of the road network in Liberty City. Blocking roads that are being worked on and re-routing traffic to somewhere safe.

- Social Committee Project
For social related matters with different roleplay scenarios mainly focusing general social help and encouraging basic roleplay.
eg. helping people by providing them a job in roleplay, supporting companies/shops/markets, feedback sharing about government agencies and delivering them in a peaceful roleplay way and supporting people in parties/ceremonies or other special activities. Or just simply meeting with old friends at the bar drinking and having fun while some models are dancing on the podium.

- Hotdog Vendor
This is a classic one. During the early morning rush hour, the vendor would wheel his mobile hot dog stand to position it near crowded areas in town. The vendor would heat up hot dogs, put them on bread with sauce and extras' the customer would like and sell scores of them to the breakfast crowd every day. At lunchtime, the vendor would move his stand to a popular park where he would have lines of regulars. This could be done as a job or as support for I dont know, donation and good will purposes or just for fun!


Pretty sure there are many more unique ideas that we would like to participate in.

What kind of roleplay scenarios does the community want to see?

[Norrage]

- Triatlon / Marathon
- Plane crash
- Drifting show / training on grass
- Building construction (alderney or somewhere, laying foundations, preparing build)
- Highway maintenance
- Garbage collecting
- Starting a RP restaurant; pizza's, burgers w/e
- Granny's / Grandpa's terrorising the streets (Benidorm Bastards)
- Cruise ship to a far away island (where you can find alot of happiness?)
- Ship wreck due to sandbank or what ever
- Beach party with campfire and food
- Burrying someone
- Marrying someone
- TV auditions / casting
- Bigfoot is spotted in IV
- Dance party / disco / rocking the hell out of a building
- Apocalypse now / doomsday RP
- Zombie apocalypse
- Mad scientist (inventing something really odd and players getting the effect of it)
- Chinatown RP
- Something in Times Square
- Cleaning windows / maintaining sidewalks

And a whole lot more... The only limit is your imagination!

[Semirak]

What is killing IVMP? easy answers

Spoiler for Hiden:

What is killing IV is the lack of new players, the reach of T4 ads is limited, and the number of New players shows that.
Tho i agree HQ could done some things to get people interested in the server again.

Spoiler for Hiden:

on t3 atleast 10 to 20 new players used to /register per day !
now only 1 wala 2 max per week ..

Spoiler for Hiden:

T3 was popular and brought alot of players, the community was still united and it was more fun to play. T4 was a project that started with poor advertising

[skillz]

This is a problem we should be discussing it's been a on-going issue with the IV:MP Server has been declining ever since  T4 Client was released. The T4 Project was great and development was building and supportive for IV:MP and Argonath Server. I'm not here to point fingers or blame anyone for this change, but yes something has seriously happened to the server in the decrease of players... There could be a number of reasons.

• T3 still exists and it's not part of T4 as there both separated Client programs
• Many players may not be aware of T4 and Argonath
• Majority of other issues

When HQ decided to build V:MP, it's great that their in support of this project and I applaud for the sakes of their work and dedication to the support of both IV:MP and V:MP, most of all over the years you have really made IV:MP the place of home and always supported 100% over the years and months with the development and management for the Argonath Server it self.

Third V:MP staff. The current testing team (which is not all IV staff as you say but merely a small handful) is not hanging out on V all day, they are joining to test newly added features and scripts to verify they are ready for public use. As well as testing bugs and bug fixes. I have also monitored the V:MP staff and have observed activity both on V:MP and IV:MP in equal amounts.

Senate-

The management has been great over the past, but since I've seen this V:MP been a push lately, as everyone can see IV:MP has landed in the coldersack, I do think now is the time for new management and actually give dedicated jobs to those who want to be in IV:MP than V:MP Management,  there was a Advertisement inside the IV:MP Discord Server advertising V:MP, what is this a V:MP that was just utterly unethical to.

It's time to send out Staff/Developer Advertisements for IV:MP and give it a boost to who want to dedicate to the server, before it's too late!!!

With all respects to current IVMP Staff they do all magnificent works over the past years for this Server,  if having one Developer doing the majority of the work for both servers, there's going to be a day when support will just be lowered and cracks will be shown, one project will be just far out of reach.

Argonath IV:MP Server Management is short staffed!

As everyone can obviously notice V:MP will be at the top priority of development and actually commit to  provide more opportunities for those who can give more in it's services for IV:MP Argonath. The IV:MP Division should expand to Developer Applications and for more staff to the team while the balance load is not on one Developer.


More Staff opportunities = More Success

[JackDockz]

#skillzforManager . This man is the noblest fella in the community

[Undertaker]

I do support the idea of having a developers application method to allow whoever wishes to help the client to just do it. However, upon a cascade of requests to add and such, which is nice to see nonetheless, it's important to remember the fundamental of Role Playing, either casual or more involved. In the current state, RP is or was little to none but on the other hand the grinding was highly preferred. You can only grind so much till you have all the shiny things that Liberty City offers then you get bored cause you've essentially reached the end of the road. With Role Play on the other hand it's different, the end of the road is what you make out of it, there's only so much you can do and achieve but at the same time you need to have people who will want to carry out throughout the RP.   

[OwnezzPL]

When i noticed this topic's title it literally made me cry.

[Surena]

I am down with you Skillz but I think the roleplaying issue also plays a huge factor here. Some things are being made ready to be published for debate.
The community will hear more about this soon.

As for the others still not realising the phase of this topic;

This topic is meant to establish a view on who what where why how and then talk together towards a solution. This topic is NOT made to keep blaming eachother like crybabies. We got enough reasons for the server to be dead, now let's roll the solutions and create an open debate for a possible solution that shall bring win/win scenarios for all. The more input we can get, the better the outcome may be.

Please be creative and think of solutions from now on, thanks.

When i noticed this topic's title it literally made me cry.

Don't be sad, you can revive the server, really. Just join the server, sounds easy right?
The more players online the more fun it will be, easy as pie. We gotta start from somewhere so saying "there is 0/2 players online so F that" isn't a real argument to not join the server.
Some have legitimate reasons to not join like job or school, but I don't see how fortnite, apex legends, LoL and CS:GO may have priority over IV:MP.

We can only do so much as veterans to encourage people to come and play, at the end it is the decision of individuals themselves if they like to dedicate time or let the server decline.

[etneya]

My home! Hello all! Hello who memory me! Hello my bro Dell, Dino! Gta 4 argonath best time in my life!

[James Conway]

My home! Hello all! Hello who memory me! Hello my bro Dell, Dino! Gta 4 argonath best time in my life!

Yo pmp600 man. I'm sure Dell and Dino miss you very much 

[Mark]

My home! Hello all! Hello who memory me! Hello my bro Dell, Dino! Gta 4 argonath best time in my life!

We all remember you and your Huntley bro

[Osamad]

For me , I think what killed IV:MP is that it turned into a *money hunger * community .
the new updates that raised all the prices and drove people to go for fireman missions , with 1 or 2 players owning the city with their money and leaving nothing for others ..... this made people turn from RP to Fireman missions .
in past , it was easier to buy new cars , so people used to buy some cars and make a Gang or a group and roleplay and all the COP - Criminal thingies , then the events come and this made players stay in game for several hours .
positions in game were in constant change , where people used to get a new position and this made them curious to chase any position and stay in game !!

then comes the Permanent bans for veterans that really killed the server !! , for me and for many , Veterans mean alot for the game.
however, I have worked on the advertisement thingy and it worked past then. If anyone is interested in keeping argonath alive , he can continue that project which attracts many players , you can also use the youtube channel( has 5,285 views now !! ) and the Facebook page which attracted many players .

[Surena]

As the topic creator my goal was to be as open-hearted and open for debate with as much facts and little of my opinion as possible but here can't just sit and watch, I gotta breathe and speak for my heart and soul, probably not only my heart but perhaps a big part if not all of the community;

This was part of the "broken economy" part according to some but I won't say names.

I almost forgot about this part, I had huge complaints against this in the past but yeah... This was an Argonath exclusive thingy as it had nothing to do with the client change.

I had done a request to get drug- and weapondeals in general more profitable and appealing so we could compensate for the high prices and also get more criminal roleplays from the dark side such as hiring someone to kidnap a specific person (in roleplay) and get rewarded for it (with some IG currency or weed) and as such build up an empire and dark connection between criminals.

Instead the prices have been increased (some things have prices increased over 5x like comet, just an example) and certain jobs such has fireman did get a bump in reward from 200 to 250 to 600x2 then now backwards to 750+200.

Yes, I do understand that criminals could get a supercar within weeks of playing but isn't that the whole point of criminals? Crime money is black, it is not legally part of economy and should not be seen as such with the scripts and vision of others.

Not to mention that riskfactors have increased exponentially since the classic old NPCs used to be hidden but now the weed pots are in public terrain, take Outlook for example.

Imagine having an Outlook Park in your neighborhood irl and then seeing someone plant drugs in the middle of a park... It does not seem practical and logical in my eyes but whatever. 

After asking so much and trying to seek community input in the past to "prove" the HQ, players - specially the LCPD which was against the idea back then - and developer it was unsuccesful so we as players just moved on with it and I can see that back in the player statstics. I don't think it will be granted/changed anytime soon neither so in the meanwhile we can better focus in getting the basics going again as even currently the server is dead as f***, or D.A.F for short...

As for the permanent bans for veterans part, well yeah I keep my mouth shut about this one because in one perspective they did break rules but in another perspective they were loyal veterans who maybe made a slight mistake. I mean we all make mistakes, there is no rule or exception for them, they just happen with or without bad consequences.

I know some people will probably still complain and moan about this fact but before that let me tell you something.
Read this post once again, let this sink into you. Imagine being in the steps of others, look out for the different perspectives, look at past screenshots and motivation and compare it to today.
This topic is about the reasons and solutions to the Rise and fall and with that said the economy shift alongside bans indeed played a big role here.

Thank you for your time reading and understanding.

[JackDockz]

The economy is really messed up and it has been brought up in the past. Nothing really happens.

Planting weed and doing drugs is overall same profit as grinding firemen and medic missions.

The pay is meagre so unless you grind for hours and hours and hours, you can't get a supercar or any shiny stuff.

[Commander_Cj]

This post literally makes me wanna cry when I remember the old memories, the real fun that no multiplayer game ever offered.

This server had Magic, something that attracted me to play almost 3-6 hours daily without even getting bothered with all the crashes, the lowest quality this game can run on my laptop, the broken V-Sync and all of the things which people who play modern games describe as "annoying/unplayable".

The magic started to disappear after a couple of weeks of the full 24/7 T4 release. When things started to become frustrating more than entertaining.

One goal you should focus on, which I believe is going to help, is to make the T4 website (If you guys didn't revert to T3 yet), the 1st result to appear on google when anyone is searching something like "GTA 4 Multiplayer".

Only 1 video was related to this community along with other results, which is the T4 client video that Dino posted in 24/5/2018, but nope I don't think it is enough because there is tonnes of other outdated videos that confuse new players to the game.

This game is getting old, even if you guys managed to make the T4 website the 1st result on google. I don't expect new players to last long before they get bored with current content, it is the truth. Look at Fortnite for example (Which is a game I hate), It has an update like each week with tonnes of new content affiliated with other big companies, actors and even movies!

I read a few stuff on this article, one of which I read is what Hernandez said, he is totally right. Battle Royale is kinda taking over the video games industry right now. I totally know that this server is based on Roleplay. But who does actually care if there is no one playing most of the time! Mane (Mane_Lucchese) once tried to do it as an event. Well heck yeah it did attract my attention. It was like a limited time even where teams consisted of 4 (as I remember) try to fight for the last team standing in Bohan. But then it was never done.

The thing that hurts is that the majority of people are not interested into Roleplay, well it is the truth look around you! There is some successful Five:M roleplay servers, which people actually play because they're full of cops n' robbers stuff and one heck of a big GTA V arsenal of weapons. Because it is something that the GTA V official rockstar servers doesn't offer. Imagine making a game based on typical crimes, then fully militarize it with flying hyper bikes shooting un-dodge-able rockets. Yeah, I will surely play the custom Five:M servers which offer more realism and bring back the base GTA franchise content.

2 things are required, not optional; Advertisements and New ATTRACTIVE Content. Not firemen/Medic missions, smh.

(I will probably not reply to anyone for another very long time.)