The Eternal Issue

[Mircea_Niko]

Few days ago FBI has responded to 4 evading Gvardias in a Sultan, one of them being Antonio - why is this aspect important, I'm getting there. After a long search and chase, we (FBI) finally caught up to them and shot their Sultan, while before exploding, Antonio bailed out and fell behind us, while we took out the other 3. Then we were picked off one by one by Antonio, which managed to kill all 4 of us and reach an RHL of 90 minutes - why is this important aswell, I'm getting there. This happened in the morning somewhere. Later that day, in the evening, after at least 8 hours I assume, the police radio was mentioning Antonio on the run, wanted for murder. Me with another 3 agents, some of them that died in the morning, went to respond, clueless that Antonio was still wanted since morning. Some officers said they can't respond because they already died by him and his aiders, but we didn't know they were those dead since the morning. It would've been absurd, as we took that in consideration too, but thought it's way too far fetched for this to happen and nevertheless, we were considering the 3-hour-return-after-death rule, which countless times was mentioned by Admins, Helpers, Moderators, Managers, even Community Leaders that it applies to everyone. It's difficult for me to name them since it's been told to us ever since cops weren't allowed to return after death anymore. Nevertheless, after almost 30-40min of looking for Antonio, the radio popped in a message saying that Zlatan has jailed him for 15 seconds. It's needless to say that FBI and SAPD filled the radio with rageful messages, and rightfully, as we spent so much time looking for Antonio and one freecop, Zlatan, decides not to give a damn and just jail him for 15sec, saying afterwards that it was meant for 150 - this, considering that for murder you get 200. We told him to stay at LVPD until FBI and SAPD Command arrived, but he left and we found him injured or some sort infront of 5 Gvardias, Antonio included, at 4 Dragons Casino. After a massive response and a short roleplay, he was sent to LV Hospital but not before David taking his badge off and confiscating his gun, following to copban him. After dying in LV Hospital due to the wounds, Zlatan was copbanned in all due rights, with all the roleplay required. But then, the moaning nation attacked..
People asked me why was Zlatan copbanned, and our answer was simple: corruption charges, failure to abide by instructions given by SAPD and FBI Commands, abuse in service. We had both IC and OOC evidence for those, as ICly there was ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to get Antonio jailed without communicating in the radio after it was shitspammed for the last 40min of looking for Antonio, and jail him for 150sec as he reasoned his 15sec misstype, because murder gets you 200 at least. Later in OOC, during the 4 Dragons roleplay, he said that he sold his rights and freedom for 10k.. which is absolutely ridiculous if you ask me but whatever, let's stay objective.
Basically everyone complained that Zlatan's copban is invalid, because we were not supposed to chase Antonio in the first place, because we were dead, and considering we were dead, Antonio being jailed by Zlatan, who was alive, we weren't supposed to exist, therefor we were not supposed to communicate in the radio about the situation, nor ask for explanations from Zlatan, nor order him to stay at LVPD, nor roleplay at 4 Dragons, nor copban him. Therefor by that logic, people told me to lift his copban since it was abusive and invalid.
All I have to say about this is What the flying shitfuck?
How the fuck are cops supposed to know if he got killed by X 30 days ago, and 30 days later X gets back active and still can't be chased because by absurdity, all cops on the server online at that time died by him, and therefor cannot return.
Why only yesterday Goobii came and told us that the 3 hours rule apply only for gang wars?
Why in all these years we were told and apparently lied that this 3 hours rule only applies to gang wars?
Why in the fuck nobody did a thing or moaned about any of such chases and situations, in which cops returned after 3 hours or more?
This is highly abusive towards cops, as we keep getting nerfed and nerfed.
*for those who will comment about /weaponequip, hold your horses*
Nowadays most criminals are abusing GM constantly, aswell as PM. Two weeks ago I was undercover as FBI and was watching a standoff between Jovanca and two cops, and Jovanca was constantly walking around, failing to roleplay at all, until a Burrito arrived and its driver PMing me "Are you ready to kill the cop? Wait for Jovanca's signal." And this happened for a mere 2v2 situation, so don't tell me people aren't abusing GM. Or so many stalling roleplay by asking "WHAT I DO OFFICER I SPAKE LANGUEAGE OF GODS YES ENGLUFGH I DID NUTFFIN G " then /cb HELP COPS ON ME PERSHING COME ANA ANA ANA ANA ANALFUCKINGANAL" These shits happen more often day by day, but still, cops are the ones abusing, cops are the ones overpowered, because not everyone can afford a performance rig to record at the same time, so those people take advantage of this.
Also what the fuck is going on with the shitspam of grenades and RPGs? What is this, freeroam? TDM? Well yes it's TDM, and yes, I wouldn't mind RPG and heavy weapons usage, if cops had something to counter them with. HA has strict regulations, since CBF is gone Rhino RPs are also gone, and most of the time SAPD or FBI CMD isn't available to issue heavy weaponry, therefor in the face of 10 heavily armed Gvardias 3-4 freecops are left with Deagle and Baton. And even when FBI and SAPD are outnumbering criminals, there are still problems, because few days ago, there was a ratio of 14 cops, with Snipers and M4s and whatnot, against 7-8 criminals at Fort Carson weed field. After a 30min prep, we circled them and they have retreated into the cover of a shack. We could've killed them off easily if it wasn't for some random bikers that came behind the Cluckin Bell and started sniping. Who were they? Why were they here? How did they get here? I thought that criminals aren't allowed to join situations already developing, only cops, and even then, admins are punishing those cops. And few days ago 4 criminals came in barricading themselves along with others already barricaded, after the perimeter was secured already, with all cops preparing for breaching. They were rushing without interacting at all, and what administration did? NOTHING. Because apparently, now they can!  I respect the administration of the server, but this is not fair at all, being told something for years then being told otherwise, AND getting punsihed for it, AND losing and ruining the situation for it.
Technically speaking, I could get 20 people with me and they could protect me while I kill off anyone and everyone on the server, getting the RHL up to let's say, 365 days. What, unless I die, I won't be able to be engaged for a full year until I'm escaping? The system is flowed, and heavily abusive towards us, cops. We should not be forced to ask admins if X died days ago and we can engage. And we won't, because half of the answers would be "3 hours passed you can go" and others would be "Why the fuck do you even ask me that, you know the rules" then getting Gvardia or other numerous criminals that can easily win situations argue with me while I'm trying to defend the tiniest drop of advantage we might still have. Everything is a mess, everyone is confused, especially administration, and this could seriously harm the server.
I seriously propose those with RHL bigger than 60 minutes to get unsuspected because this is unacceptable, it will always reach this stupid stalemate that will last until somebody sets proper rules or the system is changed. And this isn't a threat, but the only way we can ever respond to other suspects if numerous Gvardias that keep getting OPd day by day, with their money and members, will keep getting such high RHLs, being the most active mafia. That would render even considering them to anything useless for us, so even interacting with them would raise questions that already are raised within SAPD and FBI. Yes, we think twice before engaging Gvardia, and thus the latter complains about nobody RPing with them, it's about this flawed system that would always end situations against our favor, always.
Also not to mention "this is a new situation". It would take 10min for an admin to confirm, AT LEAST, then settling out the moaning parties, then preparing for engagement, from both sides, up until the suspects already escaped. Cops really lost everything to this game? And people complain that there are too many cops, because IT'S USELESS. There can be even 100 cops, and they can be taken down easily by Gvardias or Hagens which are equipped with Heavy Weaponry, and what do cops get? Chum change snipers and proposals of removing /weaponequip?
This is fucking insanity.

[Spike.]

Remove rhl. The system is stupid and encourages cops to rush to kill/jail instead of RPing.

[Chris Collin]

Remove rhl. The system is stupid and encourages cops to rush to kill/jail instead of RPing.

+1, recommend to remove RHL or  improve the system regarding this matter.

[Mircea_Niko]

Remove rhl. The system is stupid and encourages cops to rush to kill/jail instead of RPing.

Think it's needless to say but +1, that's the entire point of my topic.

[jovanca]

yea, you buys just keep hunting and shooting people and issue invalid ban on the ones who actually bother to rp some, good job 

[Mircea_Niko]

yea, you buys just keep hunting and shooting people and issue invalid ban on the ones who actually bother to rp some, good job 

Honestly you shouldn't generalize. The copban was worth it, and valid, if it wasn't for the RHL situation with Antonio.

[jovanca]

yea, you buys just keep hunting and shooting people and issue invalid ban on the ones who actually bother to rp some, good job 

Honestly you shouldn't generalize. The copban was worth it, and valid, if it wasn't for the RHL situation with Antonio.

'if it wasnt for..'  right. And no, i'm not generalizing. I'm talking based on what ive seen each and every one of you do in game. You were the one to follow me and the other gangsters with a heli on the day i got banned. Imagine that, low profile gang bangers without armors being followed by the FBI director in a heli. You are ruining very little roleplay that's left on the server

[Cofiliano]

Yeah lets return Argonath into the dark age, why not, it suits you guys more, and its more convenient.  How 'bout we completely remove the /sus and as well as auto-sus script, so people do not know if a pedestrian has done something or not at all, that would balance it up and force you guys to roleplay and not to rush for kill, since that's your concern.

[Spike.]

yea, you buys just keep hunting and shooting people and issue invalid ban on the ones who actually bother to rp some, good job 

Right, it's not like criminals shoot on sight. They are always eager to role-play, specially when it comes to weed fields.



Of course, unlike you generalising all cops. I'm not going to generalise every criminal group because some of them do roleplay such as the FLA, which actually give us some good crime scenes to roleplay on such as the one below:



But since you like sharing this video so much. I wonder if you guys were going there to "roleplay". What were the police supposed to do when a group of individuals, with their faces covered show up to an area being occupied by armed police? Say hello and wait for you to shoot them in the face?

Yeah lets return Argonath into the dark age, why not, it suits you guys more, and its more convenient.  How 'bout we completely remove the /sus and as well as auto-sus script, so people do not know if a pedestrian has done something or not at all, that would balance it up and force you guys to roleplay and not to rush for kill, since that's your concern.

Fine by me, so long as a proper charges system is added and that is recorded.

[Mircea_Niko]

yea, you buys just keep hunting and shooting people and issue invalid ban on the ones who actually bother to rp some, good job 

Honestly you shouldn't generalize. The copban was worth it, and valid, if it wasn't for the RHL situation with Antonio.

'if it wasnt for..'  right. And no, i'm not generalizing. I'm talking based on what ive seen each and every one of you do in game. You were the one to follow me and the other gangsters with a heli on the day i got banned. Imagine that, low profile gang bangers without armors being followed by the FBI director in a heli. You are ruining very little roleplay that's left on the server

I don't see how me being FBI Director and doing my FBI duties has anything to do with roleplay? My rank is only for coordinating agents on the field and for representing the chain of command, but I'm still an agent, and I have the DUTY, not RIGHT, to perform on the field. Why would I not engage you? You were within Federal boundaries of engagement, I did engage you, I don't see the problem. It's like saying Cofi can't join a shootout because he's the Don and should sit his butt on the chair with a cigar while his Capos lead the mob on the field.
And for ruining roleplay, I have few things to ask you: What is a 207? What does 10-76 mean? What is the callsign if an unit is alone or paired in a cruiser? What are the 7 steps in a processing? How is evidence valid? What is the passenger seat order while seated? What are the miranda rights? What are the 5 core values of FBI? Who are the past Chiefs of SAPD? COPS HAVE A SHITLOAD TO STUDY FOR! If you thought SAPD had lots, now imagine FBI that also does very mutinous investigations, plus having to study twice or thrice as much, considering the difficulty of our duties. And without those, we cannot go on the field. At all. What, you thought that 10-76 is a random number combination? All codes you see in /help tencodes have to be learned by SAPD, else they can't perform on the field and will get punished by Command. FBI is supposed to learn, at last check, over 50 pages of theory in its Academy, that's lasting well over 3 months. And all this is useless since most criminals nowadays only shoot cops at weed fields and evade from traffic stops, and when asked about drugs there have to be 5 admins online to confirm he has and is not lying, or Chester with K9 unit, because 2 will say they can't 2 will say that he has but can't say how much and 1 is AFK, while Chester also has his SAPD duties to handle. You have no idea how much RP goes into copwork, YET, WE ARE STILL, THE ONES, GETTING SHITTED ON.

Yeah lets return Argonath into the dark age, why not, it suits you guys more, and its more convenient.  How 'bout we completely remove the /sus and as well as auto-sus script, so people do not know if a pedestrian has done something or not at all, that would balance it up and force you guys to roleplay and not to rush for kill, since that's your concern.

The MDC and APB system was a nice addition, but sadly incomplete. A balance between those two would be the best, and also using 911 more to report crimes rather than trying to deal with them yourself or trying to call cops off a field.

[jovanca]

nvm i can't bother talking to people who don't realise what rp is. i will let HQ handle it

[Hevar.]

Everytime outside Gvardia HQ, its like this haha

[Mircea_Niko]

nvm i can't bother talking to people who don't realise what rp is. i will let HQ handle it

I'm really cringing and feel so sorry you haven't seen 0.1 percent of what SAPD and FBI can roleplay.

[jovanca]

nvm i can't bother talking to people who don't realise what rp is. i will let HQ handle it

I'm really cringing and feel so sorry you haven't seen 0.1 percent of what SAPD and FBI can roleplay.

i tried, but all you ever do is deathmatch when im around.

[Mircea_Niko]

nvm i can't bother talking to people who don't realise what rp is. i will let HQ handle it

I'm really cringing and feel so sorry you haven't seen 0.1 percent of what SAPD and FBI can roleplay.

i tried, but all you ever do is deathmatch when im around.

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=125915.0
Funny
Now let's keep the topic on topic