My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'

[jovanca]

So as soon as people started pointing out what the real issue is in the thread created by Bogomil, it gets locked. That's why i decided to create a topic myself and hopefully i'll get some feedback from the HQ on this one, because it has been swept under the rug for too long.

Active law enforcement officers on the server do all but rp, and the topic created by Bogomil was set to put the blame for it on the criminal groups or Argonath, while the truth is completely the opposite from what he said. While he called for more rules, and says i do not understand what the problem is, i can prove to you where the real issue lays. It lays in the server rules not being properly enforced on the LE groups, which lead to them thinking they can do what ever the fuck they want. That can be seen every day and in almost every scenario that involves cops. 

So now i'll ask you, how many times have you seen on duty cops get punished for DM? Not too many, their excuses (which were in past unaccaptable by the server administration) somehow slide with the current staff. I have to remind you that deathmatch is deathmatch regardless of the color of one's name or the group he's a part of. Cops shooting players without a reason is deathmatch, EVEN IF the person is suspected.

As for people saying criminal side lacks realism, i never said that's not the case. But the reason they lack is realism because the cops pretty much let them do what ever the fuck they want. The only consequence for commiting a crime is getting deathmatched by the cops afterwards.

I will post a few video that show how cops used to behave before, hoping you may realise that what's been going on in game for the past few months  was never the case and was never acceptable.

Spoiler for HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE:

Back then, we didn't get tased after we refuse to put the hands up after first warning (which is forcing roleplay. I would suggest you only allow taser against players using melee wepaons).

Third video is just a shootout, but even there you can see the cops shooting drive by at the vehicle full of suspects without trying to blow it up and just straight up kill the suspects, but to try and stop them. When was the last time you saw cops do that? Nowadays you're likely to get blown up even if you did nothing, because cops think you MIGHT be trying to help someone.

When cops start roleplaying wiht the criminals, i am 100 percent sure, criminals will behave in the same manner. That's how it always worked, and that's how it worked because the rules were enforced properly UPON BOTH SIDES.

Spoiler for HOW IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE:

As long as cops behave the way they do in the video above, don't expect criminals to do any better. And as long they don't get punished for deathmatching (as it is the case in the video), you (staff) are the ones to blame for the bad conidition of the server.

[Whiteman]

Hahah, what roleplay did you think was supposed to happen in the last video? Before you arrived, we just got you out of the area taking down like 5-6 criminals beforehand. Now a sultan fully armed and wearing masks appear, should we lay down our weapons and let you take us hostages or just stand still and get RPGed? Nigga please. The main issue is the Gvardia/GSF understanding of RP which I've had the pleasure of seeing for months now. Also like how one of your boys say why didn't we snipe them in the CB. I've adressed the problem with Gvardia numberous times during the last month and is this how HQ sees an official group operate. Please elaborate what kind of RP was planned by the criminals in the last situation. The first video is a brawl, self explained that we wouldn't shoot you down if you'd start a brawl. Post moan below.

This is how Gvardia RPs

Spoiler for Hiden:

[Afyea]

As I stated in the previous topic. SAPD should look more on their own faults instead of naming Gvardia 7 times per issue from my point of view - this kind of behavior as in the last video is unacceptable.

Hahah, what roleplay did you think was supposed to happen in the last video? Before you arrived, we just got you out of the area taking down like 5-6 criminals beforehand. Now a sultan fully armed and wearing masks appear, should we lay down our weapons and let you take us hostages or just stand still and get RPGed? Nigga please. The main issue is the Gvardia/GSF understanding of RP which I've had the pleasure of seeing for months now. Post moan below.

Jason, I've so far seen you rage more than roleplay, so what you on about?

[jovanca]

you cops suck at shooting, i got no problem killing you every time i log in but that is not the reason why i log in. that's why i always try to rp and you people just blatantly deathmatch.

I'm not sure when you turned into a troll. I remember that you used to moan about getting deathmatched more than anyone else. So i guess you got tired of being a victim and i understand it. Part that sucks for you is that you're still a terrible shooter, you will get fucked regardless of your name color. You will always be a victim.

[Spike.]

As I stated in the previous topic. SAPD should look more on their own faults instead of naming Gvardia 7 times per issue from my point of view - this kind of behavior as in the last video is unacceptable.

What should police have done in that situation instead?

[Afyea]

As I stated in the previous topic. SAPD should look more on their own faults instead of naming Gvardia 7 times per issue from my point of view - this kind of behavior as in the last video is unacceptable.

What should police have done in that situation instead?

Inform that the area is in lockdown, that it's dangerous for the men to be there, inform of possible outcome if not leaving. You know the order yourself, you all just chose to not do it.

[Spike.]

Inform that the area is in lockdown, that it's dangerous for the men to be there, inform of possible outcome if not leaving. You know the order yourself, you all just chose to not do it.

So police is forced to adhere to the rules (which I'm cool with) but criminals can just show up and open fire? (Which I'm not cool with)

[jovanca]

 use /report. As i said above, we need rules enforced upon everyone properly and equally.

[Afyea]

Inform that the area is in lockdown, that it's dangerous for the men to be there, inform of possible outcome if not leaving. You know the order yourself, you all just chose to not do it.

So police is forced to adhere to the rules (which I'm cool with) but criminals can just show up and open fire? (Which I'm not cool with)

Almost all the time there is staff ig, feel abused? /report.

Now I'll answer ahead before you bring out the ''you're biased'' card.

When I put admin duty on, same as others, we go neutral. Whatever you may think, it is how it is and you can always /report it.
I've been called biased for protecting Mircea Makes sense to you? Me neither.

[Spike.]

Almost all the time there is staff ig, feel abused? /report.

Now I'll answer ahead before you bring out the ''you're biased'' card.

When I put admin duty on, same as others, we go neutral. Whatever you may think, it is how it is and you can always /report it.
I've been called biased for protecting Mircea Makes sense to you? Me neither.

I never said you were biased, the one bias Gvardia moderator that I found was reported to HQ. I'm not going around calling people bias for no reason.

Furthermore, I wasn't on the situation in the video but let's say I was. If we approached them and started talking to them and they shot (don't tell me they wouldn't because they 100% were going to) and I reported them. What would you tell me? I already know, it'd be something regarding how their friends died and they came to help. And that's fine, I don't blame you. That's how the rules are. The root of all the problems themselves are the server rules and the lack of things such as fear RP, powergaming and metagaming.

[Cyclone]

I love how everyone ignores the video that Jason sent, Jeremy eats a 50,000 volt taser into his face and he starts fucking shooting. Not to mention his signature on the forum

[superh2o]

I'm so little on the server you can take this as a opinion of a visitor, last few days whenever i login, i get shoot/rammed/stalked by the police.

1st situation driving around LS, when a PD cruiser rams me at full speed and dudes goes ups you are not suspect.

2nd when near a zone of a suspect as i saw him running and police going on foot after him, then from afar i got shoot at just cuz i was there, the dude who shoot had no idea who I am, as i got no idea who shoot at me.
So no interaction of any kind happened.

3rd while i was parked under SF bridge a 2 man little airplane lands under the bridge to see who is there, with both ranked officers inside, realism much?
When i said on /p nice that you can land a plane in middle of the road and i will get fined for going over 80 or god forbid i knock down a pole.

The kind officer (pilot) replied this retard lucchese.


Both sides need to sit down and write clear interaction guidelines if you wish anything to happen, till then have at it and point fingers at each other.

[Spike.]

1st situation driving around LS, when a PD cruiser rams me at full speed and dudes goes ups you are not suspect.

Did you report him to his supervisors?

2nd when near a zone of a suspect as i saw him running and police going on foot after him, then from afar i got shoot at just cuz i was there, the dude who shoot had no idea who I am, as i got no idea who shoot at me.
So no interaction of any kind happened.

If he's running from police he'd be tased, not shot. So that was DM, and since you don't know if it was an officer or a civilian, I don't know what you're trying to imply here.

3rd while i was parked under SF bridge a 2 man little airplane lands under the bridge to see who is there, with both ranked officers inside, realism much?
When i said on /p nice that you can land a plane in middle of the road and i will get fined for going over 80 or god forbid i knock down a pole.

You clearly haven't played in this server long enough if you think such behaviour is not common place. Take a long hike around Pershing/Idlewood and you should see one or two andromadas around.

[William Carter]

Jason, I've so far seen you rage more than roleplay, so what you on about?

What does this have to do with the topic?

[Stefos]

I love how everyone ignores the video that Jason sent, Jeremy eats a 50,000 volt taser into his face and he starts fucking shooting.