[SA:MP] HQ Answers - Community Interaction

[Manoni]

Greetings,

The HQ and our selected staff team has discussed and agreed to the fact that there has been alot of miscommunication within our players, something that should not be if we really want things to get better because afterall, all the things that we attempt are for the players and not for ourselves.

With this comes another topic (yes you read it well, another one) where you, the player can ask to the HQ members any question or anything related to the server or our team that you might want to know. Because you what makes this a community and you deserve a transparent leadership.

There are some obvious stuff that might not be able to be answered, however, we will try to give an answer to almost all if not all the questions that any of you could ask, yes, even if our bosses get angry and decide to kick us out for doing it.

So without saying further, feel free to ask!

[Stefos]

When are you planning on caring about our suggestions we made 2-3(or more) topics ago? You've made countless topics about
everyone suggesting things in order to try and make the server's activity rise again but no one seems to care about those suggestions. Instead of posting random topics out of nowhere, try and work on our suggestions coming true. There's no point anymore on making these kind of topics.

[Manoni]

When are you planning on caring about our suggestions we made 2-3(or more) topics ago? You've made countless topics about
everyone suggesting things in order to try and make the server's activity rise again but no one seems to care about those suggestions. Instead of posting random topics out of nowhere, try and work on our suggestions coming true. There's no point anymore on making these kind of topics.

If you are talking about the topic that was created for the community to chose which scripts should be worked on and added for the next update the poll is closing this week so that we can update it and start another round of voting while the most requested ones on the first wave are made.

[Stivi]

Who decided it was a great idea to bring back RS4 after Teddy publicly said he would stop developing if such a thing happened?

Why is the panel not accessible by the public? Seriously, what the fuck.

Why is it that you selectively answer people and ignore those you don't like or are being a bit offensive? I mean even sarcasm has a point, and this is the internet, stop being so fucking butthurt about everything.

When will you all start treating players like members of this community? Doesn't matter banned or inactive or playing in a different server, they're members, just like you.

Why is it that we know nothing of when staff members are warned/talked to/kicked and stuff like that?

Why are staff members not banned in case of script abuse but are instead just kicked from the team? Same for hackers.

Is HQ arguing within HQ? Certain decisions or certain members?

[Manoni]

Who decided it was a great idea to bring back RS4 after Teddy publicly said he would stop developing if such a thing happened?

Nathan and Carbon in the most of the part. Andeey and I along with Goobii were still reviewing the possibilities of how we could make it work without interferring with the RS6 ideals, however Carbon gave Nathan the green light for it since he setted the server himself and decided to announce it on forums while we were literally sleeping.

Why is the panel not accessible by the public? Seriously, what the fuck.

We have a very native panel that it's literally the remainings of the one that Dylan and Mikro made back in the beginnings of RS5. It's buggy, it's unstable and has alot of unfinished features. Marcel was working on it and was supossed to have a finished version back when he was converting all the scripts to C+ but we all know what happened to Marcel.

Why is it that you selectively answer people and ignore those you don't like or are being a bit offensive? I mean even sarcasm has a point, and this is the internet, stop being so fucking butthurt about everything.

I don't, I like being as straight as you are being, I know you are not roasting us nor insulting, you are just saying things with the right impact, if anyone does not have the enough guts to take criticism over a subject he started himself he should not be giving out his voice in the first place, that's my perspective.

Why is it that we know nothing of when staff members are warned/talked to/kicked and stuff like that?

We usually keep that within the staff channels because we already know how the players are, it's always seen when someone gets punished and the red text pops up in /p, you will have to end up giving bananas to others because they can't keep quiet about someone's punishments, having a public warning for the staff members would create the same situation but on a more escalated level simply because it was given to a staff member. However we do inform to the player who reported a staff member how his report was handled and what measures were given, if you have reported a staff member in the past and the outcome was not informed to you then the person who handled your report is not doing a good job.

Why are staff members not banned in case of script abuse but are instead just kicked from the team? Same for hackers.

I haven't really seen a situation that would imply a staff member hacking however, he is still a person that must follow the same rules that all players follow and of course it should be banned if found guilty of said rulebreak. I do can tell you that we currently have a member of the staff reported for abusing his own admin commands and it's currently under review.

Is HQ arguing within HQ? Certain decisions or certain members?

Yes. A lot. But in a civilized way, Carbon says one thing, Andeey (when he was still here) and I say otherwise, we keep a subject under discussion while another one comes in and it's constantly that way, specially since Carbon has been very busy and away, we simply are not in the same tune.

[Stivi]

Nathan and Carbon in the most of the part. Andeey and I along with Goobii were still reviewing the possibilities of how we could make it work without interferring with the RS6 ideals, however Carbon gave Nathan the green light for it since he setted the server himself and decided to announce it on forums while we were literally sleeping.

So Nathan is allowed to go over the HQ's head and your leader is like "dope man do that it will surely work!!"? That's just fucking stupid honestly.

We have a very native panel that it's literally the remainings of the one that Dylan and Mikro made back in the beginnings of RS5. It's buggy, it's unstable and has alot of unfinished features. Marcel was working on it and was supossed to have a finished version back when he was converting all the scripts to C+ but we all know what happened to Marcel.

Well sure but like, if a player had access to it would we be able to do/access anything that we shouldn't?

I don't, I like being as straight as you are being, I know you are not roasting us nor insulting, you are just saying things with the right impact, if anyone does not have the enough guts to take criticism over a subject he started himself he should not be giving out his voice in the first place, that's my perspective.

I meant 'you' as in the HQ members, not you specifically. Often times you'll get ignored if you write in caps or use the word "fuck" and it sucks, maybe you'll even get punished for "calm down" even when being entirely right. ( question below )

Where in the rule is "calm down" not allowed? When will we stop with the stupid punishments?

We usually keep that within the staff channels because we already know how the players are, it's always seen when someone gets punished and the red text pops up in /p, you will have to end up giving bananas to others because they can't keep quiet about someone's punishments, having a public warning for the staff members would create the same situation but on a more escalated level simply because it was given to a staff member. However we do inform to the player who reported a staff member how his report was handled and what measures were given, if you have reported a staff member in the past and the outcome was not informed to you then the person who handled your report is not doing a good job.

Well yeah I do have quite a few reports, can only think of one that I had an answer on.

[Manoni]

So Nathan is allowed to go over the HQ's head and your leader is like "dope man do that it will surely work!!"? That's just fucking stupid

No it's not allowed but at that moment he felt like he do so and push the idea since he got the approval of Carbon since he is community leader, he has already said to us that it was mistake although he did not do it thinking that he can overrule us or having bad intentions there were alot of things that should've done different regarding that subject.

Well sure but like, if a player had access to it would we be able to do/access anything that we shouldn't?

Well the thing is that we are not fully sure, I mean sure, we haven't really tried a stress test yet also we don't know who's gonna try to join simply to try to find this broken paths or abuse it. I'll check this out and see what can we do to release at least until we get something more suitable.

I meant 'you' as in the HQ members, not you specifically. Often times you'll get ignored if you write in caps or use the word "fuck" and it sucks, maybe you'll even get punished for "calm down" even when being entirely right. ( question below )

Where in the rule is "calm down" not allowed? When will we stop with the stupid punishments?

You need to understand that having a discussion in that kind of terms is unsuitable and at some point useless, I don't see the reason why things can't be spoken normally instead of having a situation where both parties are being mad as fuck. The difference here is that unlike you you have all the freedom of the world (until a wild Kessu comes and removes you) from speaking the way you are saying, however us, the HQ and also the staff members are obligated to not give such kind of replies at all, don't you think that is kind of unfair? I mean you said it yourself, we are players just like the rest.

Stupid punishments I understand from where you coming this from, yes something has to be done about it, hopefully this can be solved with the things Jeremy addressed on that other topic about checking our rules and discuss with the players which ones are right or wrong and what do we need to change on them.

[Carbon]

So Nathan is allowed to go over the HQ's head and your leader is like "dope man do that it will surely work!!"? That's just fucking stupid

No it's not allowed but at that moment he felt like he do so and push the idea since he got the approval of Carbon since he is community leader, he has already said to us that it was mistake although he did not do it thinking that he can overrule us or having bad intentions there were alot of things that should've done different regarding that subject.

Noone never said the RS4 will be the main server. I meant it to be like a legacy server with few proper rules for the people to have some fun. Without official ARPD, FD and any other official groups. Just for players to feel what we had in the past. RS4 for public main server is just stupid, haha. 

[Manoni]

Noone never said the RS4 will be the main server. I meant it to be like a legacy server with few proper rules for the people to have some fun. Without official ARPD, FD and any other official groups. Just for players to feel what we had in the past. RS4 for public main server is just stupid, haha. 

That was the main issue when Nathan announced it. He did it in a way that gave that feeling, that we agreed that RS6 development should scrapped and going back to RS4 was an actual solution, which we already agreed that is not.

[Nathan]

Noone never said the RS4 will be the main server. I meant it to be like a legacy server with few proper rules for the people to have some fun. Without official ARPD, FD and any other official groups. Just for players to feel what we had in the past. RS4 for public main server is just stupid, haha. 

That was the main issue when Nathan announced it. He did it in a way that gave that feeling, that we agreed that RS6 development should scrapped and going back to RS4 was an actual solution, which we already agreed that is not.

Yep definitely agree that I over stepped. My vision was to run the two in parallel but I now realize that was a stupid idea. Mistakes happen. I grew from it and now realize that it’s better to communicate internally first before launching things with no support.

That being said, for the public to be aware, we do have a running version of RS4 with Disneyland and Mordor jail available but it has a lot of bugs (like cop duty/fireman is essentially broken) and no database of the old records so everything is available for sale. I’m not really sure what the plan should be but I’ve been sharing the server with several players and we’ve been having fun visiting our nostalgia times.

[Stivi]

I meant 'you' as in the HQ members, not you specifically. Often times you'll get ignored if you write in caps or use the word "fuck" and it sucks, maybe you'll even get punished for "calm down" even when being entirely right. ( question below )

Where in the rule is "calm down" not allowed? When will we stop with the stupid punishments?

You need to understand that having a discussion in that kind of terms is unsuitable and at some point useless, I don't see the reason why things can't be spoken normally instead of having a situation where both parties are being mad as fuck. The difference here is that unlike you you have all the freedom of the world (until a wild Kessu comes and removes you) from speaking the way you are saying, however us, the HQ and also the staff members are obligated to not give such kind of replies at all, don't you think that is kind of unfair? I mean you said it yourself, we are players just like the rest.

Stupid punishments I understand from where you coming this from, yes something has to be done about it, hopefully this can be solved with the things Jeremy addressed on that other topic about checking our rules and discuss with the players which ones are right or wrong and what do we need to change on them.

I use the word fuck a lot but I wouldn't care less if another admin said some fucking thing, as long as it's not being offensive. And neither am I using fuck to be offensive. But yeah shut the fuck up gives off a "he's mad" vibe. Also, I use CAPS to EMPHASIZE certain words/actions, but staff just says "he's mad, let's ignore him".

Am I able to have a discussion without using these words? Yes, but from personal experience, being the nice guy gets you ignored, and standing out gets you punished because you clearly don't belong in the server, nobody wants to deal with that shit. And I personally think that sucks, you can't react to certain provocations or anything, but that's why the staff is staff and I'm not, don't you think? Anyway, the point is, ignoring your players is a bad move, no matter how you look at it. Someone will always be left displeased.

Stupid punishments like "Take some time off", "I told u to stop" and other stuff needs to stop. Adding "continuous" to "DM" or anything like that should be more than enough. Being mad and writing in /p is not a rulebreak, no matter how mad a certain person is.

Also "commenting on admin punishment" is NOT a rulebreak, and half your staff team thinks it is, actually probably all of you think it is not allowed.
In RS4 it was confirmed by Leon ( manager at the time ) that it IS allowed, so long as it follows other server rules, like no provoking/flaming. And yet people get punished for saying "lol". Maybe that has changed, I haven't read the rules in a while now, but to my knowledge, it stays so.

[Stefos]

I meant 'you' as in the HQ members, not you specifically. Often times you'll get ignored if you write in caps or use the word "fuck" and it sucks, maybe you'll even get punished for "calm down" even when being entirely right. ( question below )

Where in the rule is "calm down" not allowed? When will we stop with the stupid punishments?

You need to understand that having a discussion in that kind of terms is unsuitable and at some point useless, I don't see the reason why things can't be spoken normally instead of having a situation where both parties are being mad as fuck. The difference here is that unlike you you have all the freedom of the world (until a wild Kessu comes and removes you) from speaking the way you are saying, however us, the HQ and also the staff members are obligated to not give such kind of replies at all, don't you think that is kind of unfair? I mean you said it yourself, we are players just like the rest.

Stupid punishments I understand from where you coming this from, yes something has to be done about it, hopefully this can be solved with the things Jeremy addressed on that other topic about checking our rules and discuss with the players which ones are right or wrong and what do we need to change on them.

I use the word fuck a lot but I wouldn't care less if another admin said some fucking thing, as long as it's not being offensive. And neither am I using fuck to be offensive. But yeah shut the fuck up gives off a "he's mad" vibe. Also, I use CAPS to EMPHASIZE certain words/actions, but staff just says "he's mad, let's ignore him".

Am I able to have a discussion without using these words? Yes, but from personal experience, being the nice guy gets you ignored, and standing out gets you punished because you clearly don't belong in the server, nobody wants to deal with that shit. And I personally think that sucks, you can't react to certain provocations or anything, but that's why the staff is staff and I'm not, don't you think? Anyway, the point is, ignoring your players is a bad move, no matter how you look at it. Someone will always be left displeased.

Stupid punishments like "Take some time off", "I told u to stop" and other stuff needs to stop. Adding "continuous" to "DM" or anything like that should be more than enough. Being mad and writing in /p is not a rulebreak, no matter how mad a certain person is.

Also "commenting on admin punishment" is NOT a rulebreak, and half your staff team thinks it is, actually probably all of you think it is not allowed.
In RS4 it was confirmed by Leon ( manager at the time ) that it IS allowed, so long as it follows other server rules, like no provoking/flaming. And yet people get punished for saying "lol". Maybe that has changed, I haven't read the rules in a while now, but to my knowledge, it stays so.

I kinda agree. Some guy started saying on /p "Alex you sexy, my love, my honey" and I said "I'm not gay, step the fuck back" And I got a banana? Then after his banana ended he said "Mmm I loved that banana" or smth like that. (Alexander_Jones is my ign btw thats why he calls me Alex) I got a banana for telling a guy that I'm not gay? At this point I strongly agree with Stivi, players cannot express themselves.

[Marcel]

Why is the panel not accessible by the public? Seriously, what the fuck.

We have a very native panel that it's literally the remainings of the one that Dylan and Mikro made back in the beginnings of RS5. It's buggy, it's unstable and has alot of unfinished features. Marcel was working on it and was supossed to have a finished version back when he was converting all the scripts to C+ but we all know what happened to Marcel.

Hey there captain. Hold on. The RS5 panel is indeed buggy and unfinished, but it's not unsafe. Nothing wrong with releasing it to the public as there are no backdoors. The new panel you are talking about is a completely new thing that was intended to be part of an eventual RS5/6 hybrid. Only thing that was done to it was some preliminary testing.

Real life took quite a bit of a toll on my online presence in the past 12 months. You know, growing up is hard..

[Manoni]

Hey there captain. Hold on. The RS5 panel is indeed buggy and unfinished, but it's not unsafe. Nothing wrong with releasing it to the public as there are no backdoors. The new panel you are talking about is a completely new thing that was intended to be part of an eventual RS5/6 hybrid. Only thing that was done to it was some preliminary testing.

Real life took quite a bit of a toll on my online presence in the past 12 months. You know, growing up is hard..

I've never said it was unsafe I said it was unstable. I'm not really sure if it's gonna handle being constantly used by more than just the staff members and I've explained that it was not released because we had plans to finish it up, however I'm already discussing with the rest of the members if we should let it be for public use and see what happens.

And yes, you grew up, that's what I meant when I said that we all know what happened with you, don't think that I'm trying to say that you rage /q'ed or something among those lines, you just had too much responsibilities outside the community that required all your time and attention, you were no longer able to assist an online gaming community. As you said, it's part of growing up and its totally acceptable.

[Manoni]

I use the word fuck a lot but I wouldn't care less if another admin said some fucking thing, as long as it's not being offensive. And neither am I using fuck to be offensive. But yeah shut the fuck up gives off a "he's mad" vibe. Also, I use CAPS to EMPHASIZE certain words/actions, but staff just says "he's mad, let's ignore him".

Am I able to have a discussion without using these words? Yes, but from personal experience, being the nice guy gets you ignored, and standing out gets you punished because you clearly don't belong in the server, nobody wants to deal with that shit. And I personally think that sucks, you can't react to certain provocations or anything, but that's why the staff is staff and I'm not, don't you think? Anyway, the point is, ignoring your players is a bad move, no matter how you look at it. Someone will always be left displeased.

Stupid punishments like "Take some time off", "I told u to stop" and other stuff needs to stop. Adding "continuous" to "DM" or anything like that should be more than enough. Being mad and writing in /p is not a rulebreak, no matter how mad a certain person is.

Also "commenting on admin punishment" is NOT a rulebreak, and half your staff team thinks it is, actually probably all of you think it is not allowed.
In RS4 it was confirmed by Leon ( manager at the time ) that it IS allowed, so long as it follows other server rules, like no provoking/flaming. And yet people get punished for saying "lol". Maybe that has changed, I haven't read the rules in a while now, but to my knowledge, it stays so.

You have point. Also I'm aware that it's very common here to get ignored for being "the nice guy", however there are ways to stand out and you wouldn't nor should be punished for it.

We are a community based on a rated M game afterall, language subject may be an exagerated situation, it was taken that way since we always had to consider that part of our players was made by players that are below the 18-21 years old, there are some staff members that agree with your comment and I also don't see the reason why someone should get restricted simply for using "high tone" words as long as they are not being used to attack someone else, guess it'll have to be one of the things we check out for the restructure of rules.

I'm also aware that sometimes administrators issue punishments with very unspecific context, we will make sure to review to create a guideline for them and make them follow so that we can stop with these "relax" punishments, specially because getting punished or removed for not being relaxed should no longer be happening, there are alot of different ways to handle those situations.