[Unbanned] badboydhia's banned by joey

[badboy.dhia]

Your in-game name: badboydhia

Your account name: badboydhia
Ban reason as was stated in-game: script abuse/misleading
Admin who banned you: joey
When you were banned: today

Reason why you did it: first of all can joey explain which script i abused and what is the misleading that i did ? also provide some proofs
then i can explain my side

[Joey]

I have a hard time thinking you don't understand how this section works.

I will ask you now to tell me in detail, about the little adventure you had with QyngaFRomP9 at Auto Eroticar to the point you stored the vehicle in your DS. Don't miss out on anything.
And while you are writing that I'm sure you will find all the answers to the questions you made, which script and what misleading.

[badboy.dhia]

RM hired qynga at his DS as a manager that action grant to gynga the ability to import vehicles for 85% discount from the state price. (like owner of the DS)
i asked gynga to import for me a sentinel for a cheap price and i give him profit !
new sentinel cost 75k , qynga can import new one for 63.75k
i gave qynga 68k , (4k profit for him , and 64k for the car)
since there already a sentinel on showroom for 75k and we didnt want to take it cuz it belong to RM  ; we store it on the garage
and import a new one and we put it back on showroom( the vehicles KM driven remain 0)
so let me conclure what actullay happend here
i make a deal with a DS worker , he provide me with a car for cheap price, i gave him profit without the OWNER knows that
(if u hire a worker at ur biz and he make sells without ur knows u should sue him or take him to PD)
i bought a sentinel for 68k (4k profit for the manager and 64k for the car price )
the owner didnt lose any money , the /bizmoney remain the same , the showroom vehicles remain the same
so how u consider it scamming ? and if u consider it scamming what is the ammount ? 0$ ?
lets go now to the part of moving the vehicle from auto eroticar to my DS
the server dosent support the towtruck , idk why! desipite the fact that i saw it on the test server and i complained about it more than 1 time

Spoiler for Hiden:

so since the server dosent provide us Tow trucks then i rammed the sentinel from auto eroticar to my DS instead of towing it , so the KM driven remain the same
IDK if u consider that as script abuse , i also wanna hear the HQ opinion about it and about "scamming" opinion
if u do then i would love to mention that thanks to ABUSING THAT SCRIPT i was able to find a bug on DS that allows u to buy any vehicles for 1$ (fixed after my report)
and about misleading , i told Qynga that what we are doing is fine cuz i was 100% and i am sure nothing is abused or no one scammed and lost money and we didnt gain a money from nowhere

[Joey]

That's a very short story. Let's go into details of:
How you came to know qynga was a manager in auto eroticar?
How qynga offered you a deal?
How you made a deal with qynga?
How the deal was finalized?
How the car was purchased?
How you taught qynga to carry out the deal so RM won't find out?
How the use of tow was made in this?

[badboy.dhia]

qynga was willing to buy a car from my ds (hb one) then he told me that he bought it from RM ds and told me that he is hired on all RM DSs
i am the one who offered the deal to qynga which is , he import vehicles for cheap prices since he is a manager and i gave him his profit and he keep it fro himself without sharing with the owner.
i mede the deal with qynga by trading 68k or 67k  him , he deposit 63.75k on the biz, we stored the current sentinel(which is on showroom for sale for 75k so the DS cars remain the same, so the owner dosent get affected or "hurted") and imported a new one with the 63.75k
then he transfered the vehicle to me  , since he get paid !
the deal was finalized by buying a sentinel for 68k , 63.75k for the import price and the rest went for the manager profit .

How you taught qynga to carry out the deal so RM won't find out?

didnt get what u mean by that question so can u re-ask it on a clear way ?
i towed qynga bike so he can take the vehicle 'new imported' sentinel from garage and transfer it to me
even on this "detailed" story i still cant see any script abuse/mislead so can u mention them?

[Joey]

didnt get what u mean by that question so can u re-ask it on a clear way ?

Sure. What were your instructions to qynga to how to proceed with the deal (what did you tell him to do), so that RememberMe won't find out?
How did qynga wanted to do the deal before you conviced him?
How did you convince him to offer you the car for 67k(63750+3250)?

[badboy.dhia]

i told him to store the current sentinel on showroom inside the garage , not to drive it so the vehicle dosent lose km driven
we import a new one and we put the original one back on the DS
i told him that i am willing to buy manny vehicles from the DS and i was going to do that  but he get fired from the ds
each car , he will earn around 4k on selling it ! so yea thats how i convinced him so we both earn ! i get a good discount and he earn the profit

[Joey]

How did qynga wanted to do the deal before you conviced him?
How did you convince him to offer you the car for 67k(63750+3250)?

Let me elaborate on them.
When you asked qynga for a sentinel, what was the deal that he offered you for the car?
After his offer how did you respond to his deal? How did you negotiated and convinced him?

[badboy.dhia]

Let me elaborate on them.
When you asked qynga for a sentinel, what was the deal that he offered you for the car?
After his offer how did you respond to his deal? How did you negotiated and convinced him?

i dont really have a good memory to remember conversation 1 month ago
i"ll do my best to remember
he offered me the car for 72k i think which is not a good discount for me (cuz i was willing to re-sell it and make profit) so i refuseit
he propably asked me to sell him vehicles from my DSs with a good discount and i propably agreed (not sure if this happend seriously i have a memory issue xD)
also i told him that i am going to buy manny cars , sentinel , sabre gt , rs i think and more , for a good discount , and he will earn around 4k on each vehicles which the total will be 12k profit for making business with me!
[hr
maybe u can post here logs of the conversation between me and qynga(i am okay with that) so we discuss it better !

[Joey]

Spoiler for Hiden:

badboydhia PM QyngaFRomP9: we can make a business together
badboydhia PM QyngaFRomP9: u wont lose any $ , u will earn 3k 5k per vehicle


QyngaFRomP9:/l new one cost 75k
QyngaFRomP9:/l i can give you for 73k ?
badboydhia:/l u import it for around 61k or 62k
QyngaFRomP9:/l its not my bussines xD
badboydhia:/l u are a manager here so u can
badboydhia:/l for how mush u can import it ?
QyngaFRomP9:/l 65k
badboydhia:/l really ? O.o
QyngaFRomP9:/l so 73k ?
QyngaFRomP9:/l can you buy it ?
badboydhia:/l nah
QyngaFRomP9:/l hmm at least 72k
badboydhia:/l i am gonna buy it , to sell it again to make profit
QyngaFRomP9:/l you cant find cheaper than this
badboydhia:/l i was thinking , we both make profit
badboydhia:/l u wont lose money , u will earn
badboydhia:/l at all the ways
badboydhia:/l what i mean is , u can earn the money instead of RM (the owner of the DS)
badboydhia:/l so , u can import sentinel for 63.75k
badboydhia:/l let me i buy it for 66k
QyngaFRomP9:/l nah man its to cheap
badboydhia:/l so u earn  2250$ for typing a CMD
badboydhia:/l and he will never find out
badboydhia:/l u will earn around 11k on all thoes cars i am gonna buy
badboydhia:/l so , let me tell u what to do so RM dont find out
badboydhia PM QyngaFRomP9: get in
badboydhia PM QyngaFRomP9: type the exact price
badboydhia PM QyngaFRomP9: i am gonna tell u
badboydhia PM QyngaFRomP9: /setvehicleprice 63750

badboydhia:/l i ram it , so it stay 0km driven

QyngaFRomP9:/l if rm know it weare dead
badboydhia:/l he will never jnow
badboydhia:/l know

QyngaFRomP9:/l what about your senti ?
QyngaFRomP9:/l its there xD
badboydhia:/l i need to  ram it to the DS

So let me explain youin detail since you don't remember.

You jumped at the first opportunity you found to take car/s from someone else's DS and use it in on your own ds. Every Dealership has a unique list of vehicles which it can import so that all dealerships can have their own customers, so if someone wants to buy a specific new car he goes to that particular dealership. You were never a owner or employee or associace to any of RM's dealerships. Yet you found a way by using qynga to get a new sentinel for your dealership which was never the intention of the scripts.

You also abused the KM's script system by ramming the car to your ds so it stays 0kms. The KM's system was added for a reason, so when a car travels from Point A to Point B(except when used /towvehicle), the kms should get added and the next person who would be buying the car would know how much the car is driven. The server cannot take it into account when a car is driven from point A to B when there is no driver inside. This being the flaw by the server side, you abused it for your own benefit. You did your experiment thoroughly by going to your ds and using our own car and ramming it and asking qynga if it added the kms to it or not. You found the loophole/flaw of the kms script, then also searched for a way to abuse it and then used it for your own benefit.

When you offered to do business with qynga, he first offered you the car for 73k then 72k then 70k and when he was't ready to give you the car for your expected price, you misguided him by saying that he will be earning 2250$ for just typing a CMD which was later changed to 3250$ which you traded him seperately. You lured qynga by offering him "quick money" for just typing a cmd. You made him believe that he can do this with letting RememberMe know and RM will never findout. Let me remind you that qynga has never own a DS, and this was his first ever time working in a DS. He is still new with the dealership system and so he thought everything you were saying was correct and acceptable behaviour. Here you created a image in his head that it was okay for him to scam his boss who is the owner of the DS and earn quick money for "just typing a CMD".  So basically, what you taught qynga was that it was okay to scam his owner and use the dealership for his personal use and never let RemeberMe findout. Now you are here since January 2017 i.e 2 and half years, and you teaching a new player, who has not much knowledge in all this, was completely unacceptable. You took advantage of the half knowledge that qynga had and used him for your own personal gain.

You should have thought of the consequences that your actions might have on qynga. What is to say that after you taught him this technique, he was not to do the same with every customer that he will bring? All you cared for was to get cars for cheap by taking advantage of qynga before he is fired from the dealerships.

Basic Server Rules

• Do not abuse glitches or tools that give you advantage over other players
• Do not abuse bugs or faults in scripts that give you advantage

[badboy.dhia]

You jumped at the first opportunity you found to take car/s from someone else's DS and use it in on your own ds. Every Dealership has a unique list of vehicles which it can import so that all dealerships can have their own customers, so if someone wants to buy a specific new car he goes to that particular dealership. You were never a owner or employee or associace to any of RM's dealerships. Yet you found a way by using qynga to get a new sentinel for your dealership which was never the intention of the scripts.

Yet you found a way by using qynga to get a new sentinel for your dealership which was never the intention of the scripts.

snitchy way yea , but (i"ll call it "legal way") its still under the rules. since what actullay happend is simply the DS manager gave me a good discount , recieved his profit , and sold me a car. i dont see any script abuse on this
true each DS has a list of vehicles that can be imported but that dosent make the ds allowed to sell only this particular vehicles
still u can put any type of vehicle for sale on showroom!
and since i cant import a sentinel on my DSs and i knew that qynga is the manager of autoeroticar so i suggested to him to sell me a one for a good discount so i can re-sell it on my DS for higher price and thats called Business.

You also abused the KM's script system by ramming the car to your ds so it stays 0kms. The KM's system was added for a reason, so when a car travels from Point A to Point B(except when used /towvehicle), the kms should get added and the next person who would be buying the car would know how much the car is driven. The server cannot take it into account when a car is driven from point A to B when there is no driver inside. This being the flaw by the server side, you abused it for your own benefit.

now lets go to the km driving thing
yes not gonna lie i use it to move the car from auto eroticar ds to my ds so the car remain new , and i already mentioned that previously
according to ur words u consider it script abuse thats ur point of view !
while on my opinion i call it Towing the truck
and here is why i did it !
new cars cant be driven to the DS because consumers would consider them used vehicles in real life DS company uses "car carrier truck" or a towtruck in order to deliver their vehicles.
since the server dosent provide a towtruck that exist in the game and we are Supposted to use it to move a car from point a to point b without driving the car ! so i used ramming the car and entering it option instead of that!

You did your experiment thoroughly by going to your ds and using our own car and ramming it and asking qynga if it added the kms to it or not. You found the loophole/flaw of the kms script, then also searched for a way to abuse it and then used it for your own benefit.

note : i am already aware of it since t3 , i reTest it with qynga on my car , while moving the sentinel , and thanks to using it , i was able to find a bug on DS that allows u to buy any vehicles from any DS for 1$ (fixed now)

When you offered to do business with qynga, he first offered you the car for 73k then 72k then 70k and when he was't ready to give you the car for your expected price, you misguided him by saying that he will be earning 2250$ for just typing a CMD which was later changed to 3250$ which you traded him seperately.

we both agreed that he sell me the car with 2250$ profit , then for some reason i forget i gave him more 3250$, yea so what on this ?

Let me remind you that qynga has never own a DS, and this was his first ever time working in a DS. He is still new with the dealership system and so he thought everything you were saying was correct and acceptable behaviour. Here you created a image in his head that it was okay for him to scam his boss who is the owner of the DS and earn quick money for "just typing a CMD".  So basically, what you taught qynga was that it was okay to scam his owner and use the dealership for his personal use and never let RemeberMe findout.

actually i didnt (convince on purpose) or fool qynga on purpose ! i told him that what we are going to do is okay and its still under the rules !
u called "scam the owner" ! i wanna ask u  what is the ammount of money that RM get scammed ? , how mush money ? what are the vehicles ?
his Bizmoney remain the same , his vehicles on showroom remain the same , his garage remain the same , so how u consider this scamming ?
and even until this moment i am not convinced that buying a vehicle for a good discount and not giving a profit on to the owner is a rulebreak , while its lawbreak !
so yea the KM driving thing , we can discuss about it as script abuse , but the rest ? sounds fine for me

[Joey]

Let me explain it to you how a dealership is scripted to work:

-A player is supposed to stock cars in his dealerships which will be onsale and available to buy for others
-For the owner, the command /importvehicle was scripted to import specific vehicles for a discounted price and then sell them for profit.
-For everyone else, the command /importvehicle was scripted to importvehicle at the Sales price if and when its not available at the Dealership for sale
-The command /buyvehicle was scripted for player to buy a vehicle that's on sale at a DS
-The command /transfervehicle was created for player to sell HIS OWNED vehicle to another player for any value he decides

Now let me explain it to you what are the rights of a manager:
-He is allowed to change prices
-He is allowed to importvehicle for putting it on sale at the business (restocking)
-Allowed to deposit money into the biz
-Theres a reason why a manager cannot withdraw money from the business, because he is not the owner.

Same way a manager didn't had any rights to import a vehicle and /tranfervehicle to a player and take the profit from the player via /trade. That was a loophole/flaw of the script which made you able to do that and you took advantage of it.
When you /importvehicle using bizmoney it still remains as the property of the business even if it spawns on your invent becase we don't have a script that spawns cars in business name which will block the manager from transferring it to another player for cash.


This is how a dealership is scripted to sell cars. Now does it anywhere mention that /trasnfervehicle it to a player and take the profit via /trade? No right?

If you would have imported the car by yourself, or even taken permission from the business owner and then added it up onsale at your dealership there would have been no issue.

Nowhere it is mentioned that the bizmanager is allowed to import the vehicle and directly sell it to a player via /transfervehicle and keep the profit for himself.

Reason why its a abuse is that one should not have a 0km vehicle at his dealership which he cannot import by himself. A dealership is unique and we have multiple dealerships for a reason.
If a players should have been able to sell a car at his DS for 0km which he didn't even import, then there would have been no point in having different types of dealerships.

All the hard work that was put into the making of different scripts for dealerships, different prices of every car and every dealerships, made void by your actions.

It's okay to sell any car at any dealerships, the problem is the way you acquire them and sell them at 0km when you had no right within the dealership which can import that car.

When your dealership has no right to sell such vehicle, and you had no right in the dealership which can import that car, and yet you can obtain the car and sell it for 0kms which ruins the business of the owner of that dealership, it voids all the scripts of dealership and basically makes the original dealership useless which has exclusive right to import that particular car.

And to answer your question what did RememberMe lost? He lost a sentinel. He lost the exclusive rights of selling a new sentinel which only his dealership should have been able to import. He lost the profit which he would have earned if you didn't had the sentinel at your dealership for sale.

Now before you reply he didn't lose a sentinel, let me tell you yes he did. He lost a sentinel to your DS which he never intended to sell it in such a manner.

The point here is that you found a flaw in the scripts and used it for your own gain, making all the efforts that was put in creating all the scripts kinda useless.

[badboy.dhia]

First i dont see any reason why u are telling me "how the DS script work"/manager ranks works  cuz u are aware  and u know that i know how it exactly works (owner of 4 DSs)
so from ur words i can conclure that the way we used to purchase the vehicle is "wrong" and not allowed which it , /importvehicle and transfering it .
and i should use the /buyvehicle way
let me tell u what we can do the same prosses by using "ur correct version"
which is Qynga update the vehicle price and put it for 63.75k , i /buyvehicle it => 63.75k will go inside the bizmoney  , and qynga use his manager right which u mention "importing vehicle" and he import a new sentinel !
we could simply use ur "correct , /legal" way to purchase the car
but i didnt want to affect/touch the vehicles on showroom , cuz they belong to the owner RM !
and i dont really see any difference between using transfervehicle and /buyvehicle
since i explained to u a way and end on the same result
and this situation is about "different point of view"
i can give u another one (i"ll imagine one)
qynga decided to buy a sentinel for himself , he can import it for 63k , and thats one of his scripted rigths
just after he import it , he didnt like it and regret buying it , (he didnt drive it yet) so i came here and i give him money and i buy it from him ? and he sold me his OWNED vehicle that he just purchase it and regret buying it ?
thats not what actullay happend in this case , but i wanted to explain to u that what we did is dosent have any SCRIPT abuse
the km driven thing , yes i can agree with u on it
but buying the vehicle ? its totally fine for point of view

[Joey]

I explained everything twice how it was abuse. I won't keep explaining the same thing again. I will hand it over to Management.

[Senate]

The "towing" method used is debatable, probably was not the best idea however.

The purchase of the vehicle to me looks more like a business matter between the owner of the dealership and the manager. In a real life scenario the owner would simply fire the manager and/or sue them if any money was lost.

The business transaction between badboy and qynga appears to me to be exactly that, a business transaction. If I am missing something I would like it explained more specifically because I don't see a ban as appropriate in this case.

Thirdly who was victimized here, this is not some exploit making hundreds of thousands of dollars per day. This is a very small profit which also requires the vehicle to be sold at full price to another player for it to pay off, that could take weeks or even months. If the dealership owner is the victim, first of all they did not lose any money directly, second if the argument is made that they lost money over time because their business manager sold a car to a competitor, then that is poor hiring practices by the owner in my opinion.

If Joey or badboy has any information I am missing I would like to hear it so I can understand this a little better.