What killed SA:MP Argonath RPG?

[TheGreasyChopper]

 So to summarize the replies so far, I understand that people are just "used" to the lack of Roleplay and wish to continue in the way we currently are, in the status quo? I came unto a topic recently, which vouched for Argonath to lose the "RPG" part of the name. And a lot of people agree with it. Is Argo officially a non-roleplay server, in which you just go with the flow or head to the door?

 My main idea for the topic was to find a way to encourage roleplay like it was back in the day, but from the response of the majority I understand that they do not want that?


PS: To address Hubbe's reply. The "Good relations with your enemies". I've been preaching for that for years, and have tried to suggest on numerous occasions that a system is made to regulate group warfare, in order to avoid ongoing OOC conflicts which in turn only lead to toxicity. So far 3 HQs have changed since that, and I'm yet to receive feedback on the idea.

I do not feel the server is an inactive shithole, but as others have stated too, I feel it rather "empty" in a way that there are no activities I can parttake in. I've been around for long enough to know that the situation was much better 3-4 years ago(Maybe peak when Teddy was leading it). You had different RP groups, different scenarios, you had active civilian and non-criminal groups. I do not wish to leave for other games, I've been loyal to Argonath since day one. Perhaps that Argo is the one that died, while the new one is something I just have to suck it up and adjust to?

[psyron]

dont mean to be toxic but I WANT ARGO FIVEM!! and so are my friends!!! OR MAYBE REDM?? OR MAYBE RP SERVERS FOR OTHER GAMES?? WHY ONLY SAMP?? THERE IS NO FUTURE PLEASE UNDERSTAND. I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY AND I WANT IT TO THRIVE LIKE U ALL DO.

not gonna lie i love these popcorn topics though. peace

[[HR]JAMIE]

The way I see it there is one main Issue here and Here is My Solution

Not enough players finding/actively playing the server -  Samps old, Get over it, I've had and will continue to have Great times On Argonath because it Hasn't Changed, It will always maintain its Enjoy-ability, As long as there's Players that Want and Long for Roleplay Situations. You could increase players by all different means, You could expose the server in a Youtube video, stream, you could make argonath beats or music if ur into that, It could be as little as Messaging someone on a discord server about it or in a different game, and the best solution of all, telling your friends to come join and starting your own groups and businesses around the friendship, theres unlimited possibilities, I'm just saying that sometimes you think the problem is much bigger than it really is, most times out of 10, being Negative about certain things (which you see fairly often in the Community) stops you from seeing the easy/good solution or from fixing the problem at all, let alone making it worse. I also am no Argo Saint, I play often enough, but atm for me with Quarantine i'm going nuts on all these different games I want to play (Argonath being one of them), I know once i get to focus a good amount of my energy toward Argo again i'l be making YT videos as i did in the past and ngl the views on them weren't bad for a channel with like 14 subs at the time xD. Some of the Replies in this Topic reminded me of what I had lost, and it was my character, It was like I was playing it how I would play singleplayer, You dont have any Attachment to Carl other than the fact that you control his Movement and "some" actions. Definitely Made me realise the error in my ways, In a way Your Character is An attachment of yourself, but Is not you, which is the beauty of it, You can be whatever you wanna be!

You could Argue that the issue i've listed above is the Only Issue that Argonath Faces, To correct that I'd Say its the Most Important Issue Right now, And with this issue out of the way, the Community can then start to shape and curve its way to a new Positive Direction Steering clear of all the Past Mistakes, Ideally.

Now if I were to go in Depth not only to fully answer the issue above but go into what needs to be changed and whats needs to be talked about ig I'd be here for a few hours longer but I'l save myself the Pain for another time since I don't see anything too bad ig other than having pretty limited options to take part in, and Of course I have ideas on how Argonath could change and be great in Every way, but If i share them now it doesn't really do much, so I want to wait until the server is Exposed, again, Ideally. For now I feel like this Point is the only one worth Discussing. For the most part we frequently run into Script Complications whenever I bring an "Ideal" idea up, so Instead of Keyboard Warrioring on the Forums hop on Argonath and start RP'ing and if you want to hurl ideas around, play the game naturally and you might start to Brew some cool ideas for stuff, if you do, write it down, make a word document and type down every idea you think will benefit the game and eventually if everyone is doing that, there will be plenty of solutions for all different types of things. You can say this is far fetched you can have doubts and sh*t but, I've never hated argonath and still see it in the same light I always did, I just feel like Nobody knows what Samp is unless they happened to see one of the 10 "big" videos made about it on yt (In English) or through friends/family, in other words its not common knowledge that San andreas for PC has a Multiplayer client where thousands of people still play and where Argonath is Mainly Found. What I know for sure is that Players are looking for English RP Samp servers because alot of them are dying out or dead, but people dont join dying servers, so If we can just expose the server even A little bit We can expect others who already play samp to join as activity rises.

We just need players who actually care about RP and focus that as their main goal/priority when they log onto Argonath RPG, but I will Agree its hard to find such People in this day and age, but believe me they're still out there.

Ty for reading its a bit all over the place but I want to see the Argo Community succeed, Let me know if u agree/disagree? and why. Open for Constructive criticism ))


 

[Sawyer]

its not in our hands man let it go

[Khm]

It actually is in everyone's hands. Yes SA:MP as a mod is dying, yes there are problems within the community, yes the current playerbase is almost 0, yes the scripts aren't perfect and aren't that user-friendly and no one can deny that however, we used to play in much worse environment, we used to play in rather broken script. Many terrible people came and went and many good people did the same, players however are what makes the server playable. Players make the environment, players bring players, players create rp scenarios not scripts and not admins, players create fun activities between other players, players sadly make players go aswell with the constant bickering, players get fed up from others players too and forget that they can work things around instead of just giving up. There are plenty of options and things that are beyond imagination to be done but it's within the hands of players to bring them or no. If there's nothing to be done in game then create a scenario to do and call your friends to participate in it. Ultimately, it is in our hands.

[[HR]JAMIE]

It actually is in everyone's hands. Yes SA:MP as a mod is dying, yes there are problems within the community, yes the current playerbase is almost 0, yes the scripts aren't perfect and aren't that user-friendly and no one can deny that however, we used to play in much worse environment, we used to play in rather broken script. Many terrible people came and went and many good people did the same, players however are what makes the server playable. Players make the environment, players bring players, players create rp scenarios not scripts and not admins, players create fun activities between other players, players sadly make players go aswell with the constant bickering, players get fed up from others players too and forget that they can work things around instead of just giving up. There are plenty of options and things that are beyond imagination to be done but it's within the hands of players to bring them or no. If there's nothing to be done in game then create a scenario to do and call your friends to participate in it. Ultimately, it is in our hands.

Couldn't have said it better
Respect.

[Hammer_]

samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimit
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.

[Kowalski.]

samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimit
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but all we can do now is look towards the future and work our way back as best we can.

[Hammer_]

samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimit
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but all we can do now is look towards the future and work our way back as best we can.

Ngl, I'm serious. A server like Argo exceeds 150playerlimit, you all know which server I'm talking about, some may say it's full of DM bla bla, however it's enjoyable. Argonath, with 0 players is not enjoyable, and one of the main reasons of Argo's decline is failure to accept their fault. In 2018, this excuse kept on coming up "as soon as exams of the players are over, we'll regain our activity" fucking hell, 50% playerbase is above 20 and now the excuse we're coming up with is SA:MP is a dead client, indeed it's creator has stopped working on it,but you simply can not deny the fact that SA:MP is still active, many play it. LSRP, RCRP, M:RP, UIF, etc, i could list a dozens of servers currently active.

[Bogomil]

Everyone gave up already, no point in paying the bills anymore.

[Khm]

samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimit
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.

Yet a lot of people complain about things there, it's following the same road anyways which proves my point that players are the ones that make the server.

samp dies >> mud : exceeding playerlimit
kek
first "ppl have exams once they're over, we'll gain our playerbase back"
now, "samp is dying" stop finding excuses but rather accept it that Argonath RPG has died, but it could return if the previous groups which were the main reason of activity, but people lost interest. The point Argo is at rn is where it can not come back from, no one likes to play on a server with 0 players. What would you do, grind meth and be the only player online? or rp with bots? I'm not saying give up on the server, but Argonath's main reason of being destroyed was the irresponsible and shit acts which we all know were made. Personal issues, ego's, everything came up and Argonath declined.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but all we can do now is look towards the future and work our way back as best we can.

Ngl, I'm serious. A server like Argo exceeds 150playerlimit, you all know which server I'm talking about, some may say it's full of DM bla bla, however it's enjoyable. Argonath, with 0 players is not enjoyable, and one of the main reasons of Argo's decline is failure to accept their fault. In 2018, this excuse kept on coming up "as soon as exams of the players are over, we'll regain our activity" fucking hell, 50% playerbase is above 20 and now the excuse we're coming up with is SA:MP is a dead client, indeed it's creator has stopped working on it,but you simply can not deny the fact that SA:MP is still active, many play it. LSRP, RCRP, M:RP, UIF, etc, i could list a dozens of servers currently active.

It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.

[Miki.]

In my personal opinion the server took several hits over the time each time caused by inner toxicity of players with the aid of inexperienced or not entirely neutral staff.
Each hit drift away veterans or gave a nice hit to the IG player motivation to actually put effort into their gameplay. after all we make real friends through out this community and there is nothing more dis motivating then finding out a player you played with for years decides to pull the plug on Argonath because of none-contributing toxic players or a few staff members that are clearly just temporary staff members because they cannot behave as ones and carry the responsibilities. Every veteran that has left, leaves at least 3 more veterans with less motivation to play. I recall each time I took a break from the server was due to staff members or complete chaos and no actual obeying of rules, but both depend on active neutral fair staff that aren't afraid to punish the clearly guilty ones. I've been punishment clean  since I joined this community I only had 2 warnings during my first month of playing back in early 2011, this pretty much means it's not impossible to obey rules and even deal with problematic staff members. each time I left for a break because I got pissed off by unfair or chaotic in game behavior I came back losing at least one friend from this community that has stopped playing. I think overall staff should've been always picked by a very picky selection.

I do hope there is a chance to save this server, but if I'll be completely honest I doubt this is possible any more.
But I'll always be around hoping and in case that there will be an actual effort of the players here to make a change I will join, by the forum activity there are enough players here to try and make something off SAMP again because one players brings at least two back once enjoyment is back.

[Serifis]

@Doggi What's up dude?

@Traser What about you?

@Hubbestubbe Well...no need to say something
since you have already reply to this topic.

@Carbon Looks like does not effects even the forum boy.

Zero tolerance policy....my a@@!

[Stivi]

It actually is in everyone's hands.

Not in Argonath, no. This isn't a democracy or whatever our glorious leaders said, remember? Clearly it ain't the players - look at other competitive server or whatever we call Mudo nowadays

[Khm]

It actually is in everyone's hands.

Not in Argonath, no. This isn't a democracy or whatever our glorious leaders said, remember? Clearly it ain't the players - look at other competitive server or whatever we call Mudo nowadays

Democracy to play? That's just searching for any excuse to not to.