What killed SA:MP Argonath RPG?

[Hevar.]

Everyone gave up already, no point in paying the bills anymore.

they pay 50 euro for hosting empty server, walla i would take those 50 euro and spend it on a hooker in Red light district.

[Bogomil]

They should have sold the community to Nathan  Now it's worth nothing.

[Andeey]

Everyone can throw blame to each and every corner of this community but everything is at fault and has been for a long while.

I respect all the leaders of this server and im gonna start of by saying that the people "hating/throwing blame at Carbon" Have peanut sized brains and should go take a look in the mirror, Now sure behind closed doors it might look like he is controlling everything and doesn't care about this community a single bit but.. for example, When the SA:MP server was beginning to get players back and receive content and quality of life updates who was there to make sure that happened? who was there to fund hosted tabs over and over? Carbon.

Who was there to talk to HQ when they were at a standstill in a decision or in an arguement over changes to the script or changes to the rules etc? Carbon.

Now who isn't here? who remains at the helm of the community with no respect or trust toward anyone? Gandalf & Sauron.

As a division leader it was painful to have no access to the server you were trying to lead and help and have no "owners" to talk to about that sort of stuff, You had a middle man in Carbon trying to sort out issues and get stuff done, For example anything that needed to be done in the Database needed Sauron or whenever something went wrong with anything in the server it needed Sauron which meant Me or one of the other managers or leaders needed to contact carbon to contact Sauron or Gandalf.

You can't expect a server to succeed running like that, When the owners don't trust anybody, the only way for access to be given to someone was for them to be getting paid and be working under Contract.

With all that being said, i still respect them for the community they provided for as many years as they did(still are .. kinda)


The Second reason i will list is the constant childish bickering and hatred people grew towards eachother, The fact that certain players/groups no matter what groups they were apart of would still hate and grief eachother, Then complain about what happened in whatever exchange they might've had(deathmatch/Revenge killing/Hunting) and expect Administration to punish them immediately and if they weren't punished they would get angry and either leave or just start shit talking the server or the admin who handled their report, Yes i will name names here, Soprano & Gvardia you guys are fucking retards when it comes to sorting out a problem.(still love most of you)

And yes, Many admins lost interest/left because of that issue^. Sometimes banning you children resulted in major groups "boycotting" whether they're man enough to admit it or not..

Goodluck to the current leaders/administration/active playerbase in trying to keep this thing going

(Lost my train of thought and can't be fucked writing more)

[badboy.dhia]

They should have sold the community to Nathan  Now it's worth nothing.

too late now 

[Pete]

It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.

GET OUTTA HERE

You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.

"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead

We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.

Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)

Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?

You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.

[Hammer_]

It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.

GET OUTTA HERE

You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.

"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead

We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.

Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)

Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?

You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.

Couldn't agree more.

[Miki.]

It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.

GET OUTTA HERE

You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.

"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead

We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.

Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)

Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?

You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.

I do agree with a part of what you've said, a huge load was on the owners and staff members through out the time that literally driven the best of veterans away, but in my opinion has nothing to do with scripts or ideas you don't need too much of a script to roleplay and show me another server that actually takes ideas and makes them happen.

Players were a huge chunk of it but players never change. there are always quality ones and toxic ones no matter to which game, community, server or time you go that's just the nature of gamers and their relations. even at the most glamorous times argonath had there were toxic wars among group and toxic players it's always like that but the catch here is how you control those and that's in the power of leadership owners and staff. but I doubt there is a even a slight percentage that has left due to lack of scripts most veterans that played for years would gladly spend several more years on this platform but those veterans felt how the actual quality argonath felt like and that's a part of their expectations but when the chaos IG ain't controlled by staff and inexperienced or biased  and simply wrong people to be chosen as staff are picked it simply drifts them away. I can't count the number of times I heard other veterans and I myself felt shitted upon due to lack of care in the server. Players make this server alive and it's enough to drift one quality player away it will immediately impact other's motivation and eventually drift them away. 

[Mac Taylor]

In my opinion, both of the management and the players are responsible for all of this. I am not here to put blame on anyone like the others, I will just suggest a honest solution to everyone.
But first, you all should take a look at VC:MP. It is the most active server and the best so far lately. Look at their environment, look at the friendship there. Look at the management and how the leadership handles things there. (And you, the ones who know themselves keep shitting on kessu, look who is in better state in the whole argonath community now.)


Anyways, my suggestion to all management members of all servers, not only a single server. Have a meeting together all, managers and division leaders. And seriously discuss together how everyone can revive their servers. Aye, lead by example, look at VCMP leadership as an example. (I am not talking only to SAMP HQ, I am also talking about all HQs)


The other suggestion is to the players, go look at how friendly VCMP players are. Stop being arguing with each other and stop the hatred between yourselves.

Management can't revive the HQ alone. Players can't revive the server alone.



Ps, VCMP reached 40 players in their very small map which is something great for them.

[Nylez]

In my opinion, both of the management and the players are responsible for all of this. I am not here to put blame on anyone like the others, I will just suggest a honest solution to everyone.
But first, you all should take a look at VC:MP. It is the most active server and the best so far lately. Look at their environment, look at the friendship there. Look at the management and how the leadership handles things there. (And you, the ones who know themselves keep shitting on kessu, look who is in better state in the whole argonath community now.)


Anyways, my suggestion to all management members of all servers, not only a single server. Have a meeting together all, managers and division leaders. And seriously discuss together how everyone can revive their servers. Aye, lead by example, look at VCMP leadership as an example. (I am not talking only to SAMP HQ, I am also talking about all HQs)


The other suggestion is to the players, go look at how friendly VCMP players are. Stop being arguing with each other and stop the hatred between yourselves.

Management can't revive the HQ alone. Players can't revive the server alone.



Ps, VCMP reached 40 players in their very small map which is something great for them.

Everyone is welcome to come take a look themselves on the VC:MP server. 

[Khm]

It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.

GET OUTTA HERE

You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.

"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead

We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.

Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)

Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?

You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.

And when you think about it, my leave was directly tied and caused by other players.
The most cowardly thing someone can do though is leave to you-know-where and come back here complaining and shitting, the ironic part you were staff in both places at the same time. Regarding cena, no one talked about them in these recent replies but you, I wonder why.
About GTA V, I'm not the one that should be answering that as I'm not active myself there, I will leave it for RageMP staff to answer it.

You guys are missing the point here, it isn't about who's responsibilities was that made us reach this point, it's who's responsibility to get it back on its feet without finding a useless excuse to not to. Everyone was given a fair chance to express theirs opinion and have had the ability to give a hand by the topics that were made few weeks ago and the questions that were asked to numerous people and the plans that were made with them. What happened after that? No one wanted to actually do anything but moan and complain so don't tell me it isn't players fault either. And if you didn't know already, staff team are made of players aswell.

[Stivi]

I won't play with you Doggi or Carbon and there's nothing you can fix or do that can change my mind. Staff team ruined the gameplay for me and many others like me, with your shitty excuses, lies and poor understanding of the rules. What is it that you don't get from that?

I'm fine with all of you being biased, but when it comes to enforcing what's written down, the staff team has continuously let me down.

[Lonewolf]

can you guys stop acting so childish, spamming the topic won't help at anything

[Kessu]

The childish spam cleaned..

Discuss the subject at hand, but keep it civil and on topic.

[Sawyer]

Let's all SAMPers turn to VCMP and see when we close it down or end up all banned. 

[Pete]

It's the players that make the place more enjoyable, the more friends you have to play with the more enjoyment you will get.
You also can't deny the fact that their playerbases dropped tremendously, SA:MP as a whole mod is not considered active compared to how it was before and compared to other mods aswell we would be lying to ourselves if we keep denying that fact.

GET OUTTA HERE

You can't see the answer even if you wanted to....you yourself left some time ago and you know it wasn't cause of the players LOL...trying to put it on them is the most cowardly thing someone can do.

"SAMP is dying" no, the server was dying, now it's dead

We were standing without any updates on the server for almost a year, and when we got the update it was something NOBODY wanted, hundreds of ideas were brought up and ignored....none handled stuff properly.

Truth be told, it was never Cena's doing that killed the server, it was that the management itself (owners and managers)

Take this as an example, you said SAMP is dying right? Where is the GTA V RageMP server, how is it doing? Is GTA V dying as well. are the players at fault there too?

You'd be lying to yourself blaming it on SAMP and the players, now that's a fact.

And when you think about it, my leave was directly tied and caused by other players.
The most cowardly thing someone can do though is leave to you-know-where and come back here complaining and shitting, the ironic part you were staff in both places at the same time. Regarding cena, no one talked about them in these recent replies but you, I wonder why.
About GTA V, I'm not the one that should be answering that as I'm not active myself there, I will leave it for RageMP staff to answer it.

You guys are missing the point here, it isn't about who's responsibilities was that made us reach this point, it's who's responsibility to get it back on its feet without finding a useless excuse to not to. Everyone was given a fair chance to express theirs opinion and have had the ability to give a hand by the topics that were made few weeks ago and the questions that were asked to numerous people and the plans that were made with them. What happened after that? No one wanted to actually do anything but moan and complain so don't tell me it isn't players fault either. And if you didn't know already, staff team are made of players aswell.

Other player's attitude was allowed by management and not put to place. It's not ironic, it's shitty cause I didn't leave I stayed here and helped, until I got spat in the face (got banned by a developer) for advertising which wasn't the case at all, and had to reach to Carbon who was like meh fine, unbanned. So yeah, that's how management treats players that wanted to help the server. So yeah it is their fault....

Regarding Cena, it's cause lots of people did put the blame on them hence I mentioned them.

The making of topics is long gone, none listened when there were actual players in the server. And no it's not players fault again, cause people complain because they are unhappy with the situation and they are right.