What killed SA:MP Argonath RPG?

[Nylez]

Let's all SAMPers turn to VCMP and see when we close it down or end up all banned. 

And your attitude is what's wrong with the general behavior.
Why not just try to make something with what you've got instead of acting like a high and mighty weasel.
You're no better than any other individual, no matter how smart you think you are.
If you would actually try to look past the flaws a server has and work with the shit you've got, you'd realize you got something to work with.

Get off your high horse and get out there and do the work, because nothing that's worth having comes easy.

[Miki.]

This topic seems like a useless loop no one will change my mind about what was the issue that caused the server to drift into this direction and I believe each one holds his opinions and his reason for his leaving so there is no true or false and there is no point in trying to change other's minds.

Like Khm said rather look for a way to get SAMP back on it's feet VCMP is a great example of a old game platform held by nothing more then this community and ties between players and management.
Like I've said I'm willing to even log into a server with five people who actually roleplay and start our way up from there, but I personally hold no grudges against any one  so I don't mind who has what role inside the server I just look forward a chance for a change. I kinda hold same opinion as @Stivi  but I don't have any condition regards who will stand in staff even if it's the same staff member that caused me to leave I think people understand that certain behavior of theirs can actually kill the server something I doubt they believed back when they behaved like this in a very active server environment  I doubt any staff member wants this server dead or else they wouldn't be staff members. I wouldn't mind strict punishing regard the rules because after all I mostly had problems with selective punishing, seemed like certain people only got punished and same punishment wouldn't be given equally for the same rule breaking among players. regardless evidence or anything.

if someone sees point in opening a topic which in simply every player having the option to be active and the will and motivation to try and revive the server. that will simply reply once and note his name this might help find the players who still got hope and they could talk among themselves or even open a small discord channel and roleplay untill/if others decide to jump on as well.  but again if there is something Khm said was very true bringing the server up is ONLY on the players.

regarding scripts there are more then enough scripts to RP we've seen much worse times and I doubt it's a factor it's just an excuse  if you need more scripts to roleplay you're just not doing it right the point of roleplaying in an old game  is that imagination has a huge part in it if you're looking for a game that every finger movement you roleplay will appear on screen and every  building will be open or whatever you should look somewhere else definitely not in SAMP.

[Mac Taylor]

I agree with what Miki said. We don't need scripts, we don't need much players in game. Only few players who can start a new fresh page together with civilian roleplay scenarios. I suggest that we limit our in game map to a small village for now, maybe angle pine or maybe bayside? A small place to start roleplaying with few players. I don't suggest we go straight with FBI/SAPD and criminals roleplay. That will not help in my opinion. I honestly suggest that we start off all as a normal civilians, roleplay together any other role. Mechanics, chit chat in restaurants/bars, organized roleplay races...etc. we can stay like that for a month or longer. No law enforcement/criminals roleplays..etc Because I think that hatred between criminal groups to each other and hatred between criminals and LEOs are a factor for the hatred between players as whole. So we better start friendly, civilised roleplays together until a certain point that we have better playerbase and a better roleplay environment to start expanding out of the village with other different roleplay scenarios between criminals and police.

[Jeremy.]

You all need to understand that players wont join on their will after all the things happened, SA:MP division had unskilled HQ leaders during many years which led the playerbase decrease so bad. You need a strong foundation before building a huge and beautiful house, same thing needs here.

Just think about it, we had a strong HQ staff, I can name some from late 2010 like Malcolm, Kojak, xcasio, Boromir, and the list can go on. Those guys were just pure gold, perfect leaders which were creating a great atmosphere to entertain people around. I'm not trying to point fingers on anyone, if you're not born for being a leader you'll never be able to.

And, no, you dont need "just 5 players to RP", you actually need groups like Stracci, Ancelotti, Gvardia, Corleone, Araatus to attract people to join the server. You will never attract anyone with Hagen, Gambino or any "new-trend group" which were just money farming and nothing else. The groups you were blaming doing blatant deathmatch and crying over discord how they molotoved your asses for hunting them as police officers were keeping the server alive, open your god damn eyes. No active groups = server dead.

[Manoni]

Why these kind of topics are still a thing? Either you do something to bring activity or you move on to something else, because complaining about past mistakes is not going to solve anything for the future (if there is any).

These topic seems like a useless loop

[Hammer_]

You all need to understand that players wont join on their will after all the things happened, SA:MP division had unskilled HQ leaders during many years which led the playerbase decrease so bad. You need a strong foundation before building a huge and beautiful house, same thing needs here.

Just think about it, we had a strong HQ staff, I can name some from late 2010 like Malcolm, Kojak, xcasio, Boromir, and the list can go on. Those guys were just pure gold, perfect leaders which were creating a great atmosphere to entertain people around. I'm not trying to point fingers on anyone, if you're not born for being a leader you'll never be able to.

And, no, you dont need "just 5 players to RP", you actually need groups like Stracci, Ancelotti, Gvardia, Corleone, Araatus to attract people to join the server. You will never attract anyone with Hagen, Gambino or any "new-trend group" which were just money farming and nothing else. The groups you were blaming doing blatant deathmatch and crying over discord how they molotoved your asses for hunting them as police officers were keeping the server alive, open your god damn eyes. No active groups = server dead.

As much as I dislike you, I can't deny this, I was specifically trying to point this out before too.

[Sawyer]

Let's all SAMPers turn to VCMP and see when we close it down or end up all banned. 

And your attitude is what's wrong with the general behavior.
Why not just try to make something with what you've got instead of acting like a high and mighty weasel.
You're no better than any other individual, no matter how smart you think you are.
If you would actually try to look past the flaws a server has and work with the shit you've got, you'd realize you got something to work with.

Get off your high horse and get out there and do the work, because nothing that's worth having comes easy.

Putting aside the rather personal insults and remarks, these are all fair quotes. I don't know where you got that shitty talk from but if you were really an insider of the SAMP community you would know that what you've mentioned above I've mentioned before, multiple times. My actual reply was meant to be a joke to sort of cool things down a little bit since everyone was going the extra mile to make their points even though it doesn't matter anymore. What's left of SAMP is not even close to the prime standard that used to be. There's really a huge downfall for a straight year that you fail to realize. Of course you are here for the popcorn but don't think for a second that you have a solid opinion about what's going on no matter the fancy talk.

And for your information, 8/10 if not 10/10 of the people responding to this topic about SAMP have left the boat and let it sink for a decent amount of time now. I really couldn't care less about what they have to say about this community simply because they decided to move on by stabbing this one in the heart, simple as that. I'm sick and tired of seeing specific dudes wasting their time into endless lines of blaming it all to the management. Let me tell you that they ALL had things their way for years and years and when shit got real they started pointing fingers. No, no and no.

[Shultz]

Stop hating carbon or Khm, they were the best people that could lead the staff team. The playerbase is low because SAMP is dying in general but I still have faith in khms leading capabilities, he still has some tricks up his sleeve.

[badboy.dhia]

The playerbase is low because SAMP is dying in general

SAMP is dying?
Can u explain how/why other english RP server have +100 and +200 playerbase daily?

Spoiler for Hiden:

note : i took that SS atm while writing this reply. and i can provide you with SS everyday, about those other SAMP servers playerbase.

You can stand in front of a mirror and keep lying to yourself and repeat "SAMP is dying" as many as you can!
but it changes nothing. 

[Norrage]

The playerbase is low because SAMP is dying in general

SAMP is dying?
Can u explain how/why other english RP server have +100 and +200 playerbase daily?

Spoiler for Hiden:

note : i took that SS atm while writing this reply. and i can provide you with SS everyday, about those other SAMP servers playerbase.

You can stand in front of a mirror and keep lying to yourself and repeat "SAMP is dying" as many as you can!
but it changes nothing. 

Saying that the screenshot is recent, doesn't mean that it isn't in decline.



Source: http://www.mauzen.org/samp/

[Thomas_A]

These kinds of topics killed it.

[Julio.]

The playerbase is low because SAMP is dying in general

SAMP is dying?
Can u explain how/why other english RP server have +100 and +200 playerbase daily?

Spoiler for Hiden:

note : i took that SS atm while writing this reply. and i can provide you with SS everyday, about those other SAMP servers playerbase.

You can stand in front of a mirror and keep lying to yourself and repeat "SAMP is dying" as many as you can!
but it changes nothing. 

Saying that the screenshot is recent, doesn't mean that it isn't in decline.



Source: http://www.mauzen.org/samp/

The previous measurement on the left half of the graph measured the previous "Maximum" players figure, so it's not quite as bad as the situation looks at initial glance. For this purpose we should only be measuring the top line of the right too.

As far as overall SA:MP player count, from the graph I can see now the player count is the same as back in mid 2011. Back then Argonath had 100-150 players peak daily, so imo, zero blame can be attributed to the "decline" of SA:MP.

[Tarion Smith]

<3

[Kowalski.]

You can stand in front of a mirror and keep lying to yourself and repeat "SAMP is dying" as many as you can!
but it changes nothing. 

You've changed nothing either, and have contributed to absolutely nothing.

l believe that what needs to be done is to acknowledge the past and current mistakes, move forward, drop the toxicity and just play with your friends somewhere that you've all loved for years.

People played Argonath RS4, not because of the scripts but the environment. All we have to do is bring that sort of atmosphere back and play nice with one another.

[Rei]

You people still didn't answer to this question?